"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

Boss claims, without evidence here, that "I am a Conservative, but I identify myself as a moderate because my personal views are moderate. That is why I can confidently challenge any Bozo here who wants to claim I am "far right:" or "radical extremist wacko right" or "fascist right" because they can't back that argument up with anything I've ever posted here. "

You can claim you are a zebra with as much effectiveness as the above: in other words, none. In fact, several times above Boss has clearly been pegged with his own remarks that he is indeed far right. One example is that he confuses socialism and fascism, refusing to accept the traditional definitions that fascism is a right wing progressive philosophy that merges state, party, and government under the leadership of the Leader.

fas·cism ˈfaSHˌizəm/ noun
  1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; More (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Sorry, JakefromStateFarm, you fail again. The only mention I've made of Fascism here was when I said that none of the candidates are Fascists, unless you consider Hillary and Obama Fascists. There is no question they are Socialists.

So if that is your example that shows me to be "far right" and "extremist" then you've failed on two fronts. First by it not being my position and second by it not being an extremist position.

I am a Conservative who holds a Conservative philosophy. I often identify as a "moderate independent" but I am not ashamed of being a Conservative. Among my moderate viewpoints, I favor Federal decriminalization of marijuana and regulation by the states. I oppose the Federal government dictating what marriage means, gay or straight. I think it should be left to the individual to define and if government must have some label to identify those in a domestic partnership, it should be generic civil union contracts between two adults. I also believe abortion should be legal but regulated by the states and restricted in any way the people of the state so choose. So there are the Big Three social issues, all of which I have a somewhat moderate independent viewpoint on, and my view is rooted in my conservative philosophy.

You may disagree with my views, but anyone can clearly see they are not extreme or "far" anything.
Only the Conservative stereotype supports all conservative issue. A Pew poll found that 61 percent of Republicans under 30 support gay marriage. According to Data Science polling, 64 percent of self-identifying Evangelical Millennials support same-sex marriage.
 
Hey, damnit, I'm one of the oldest and most conservatives hanging out here and I support gay marriage.

I draw the line at any hate group forcing its agenda on people but that's not confined to any sexually orientation.
 
No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.




Maybe you should learn a little history genius

Over the course of his two terms in office, Reagan presided over several changes to the tax code. What is important to remember — what isvital to understand — is that not all taxes are created equal.
When Democrats or media embrace Reagan for “raising taxes X number of times,” they are usually engaging in willful obfuscation. This is because they know that when most people hear the words, “tax hike,” they naturally assume you mean raising income taxes. But tax rates (both nominal and effective) dropped dramatically across-the-board during Reagan’s tenure.

Alan Simpson to Reagan aide Bruce Bartlett have been cited noting that Reagan raised taxes (he did.) But their statements are often taken out of context — as if to muddy the waters — to make it appear that Reagan was a fan of tax hikes.

he typical tactic is to say Reagan raised taxes 11 or 12 times (the exact number depends on whom you ask.) But it’s unhelpful — in fact, it’s a bit misleading — to talk about how many times Reagan raised taxes. That’s because (as noted earlier) tax increases are not created equal. Some are much worse than others. And many of Reagan’s so-called “tax increases” were actually examples of ending deductions





http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/06/ronald-reagan-raised-taxes-11-times-the-real-story/
 
Reagan didn't "grow the government" because the President of the United States can't do anything more than sign legislation passed by Congress or issue executive orders. Any government growth that happened under Reagan was the result of Tip O'Neil and the Democrat Congress.
Sure Reagan was never president, just a figurehead with a pen, because BobDole and the GOP Senate ran the country. But then Reagan won the "Cold War" even though he was out of office when the wall came down and the Dems still ran Congress. So everything the Far Right gives St Ronnie credit for belongs to the Dem Congress according to a true CON$ervative. :cuckoo: That 'ill be the day!

Pursuant to the Constitution, any appropriation bill (expanding of government) must originate in the House of Representatives. I will state it again: ANY Government expansion which took place under Reagan was because of the Democrats who controlled the House.

Also, the ending of the Cold War wasn't the result of a physical barrier being removed in Berlin. The wall was definitely a symbol, but it wasn't what facilitated the Cold War. According to Gorbachev and others who were Soviet and America dignitaries of the time, the thing most responsible for ending the Cold War was Reagan's SDI and his hard line at Reykjavik. A position the Liberal Left opposed vehemently and warned would cause WWIII and a nuclear holocaust.


No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.

Perhaps he did, Reagan was a pragmatic president who had a conservative philosophy and wasn't committed to some rigid ideology. Were these taxes that needed to be raised? We don't know because you didn't say. I can only assume they did because most of the Dems who controlled Congress had to approve it.

But you are right, Reagan wasn't perfect... he also didn't adhere to an ideology. When he first announced he would run for president, Republican elites had a cow. They attacked him relentlessly. George H.W. Bush coined the phrase "voodoo economics" to describe his economic plan. Everyone in the establishment GOP backed Howard Baker and the general consensus was, Reagan could NEVER win the general election... he was "too far right" to pull it off! (Exactly the same things they are saying about Ted Cruz.)
 
Only the Conservative stereotype supports all conservative issue. A Pew poll found that 61 percent of Republicans under 30 support gay marriage. According to Data Science polling, 64 percent of self-identifying Evangelical Millennials support same-sex marriage.

Be careful there Flapper, you are about to prove that Conservatism is a philosophy and NOT an ideology! ;)
 
Only the Conservative stereotype supports all conservative issue. A Pew poll found that 61 percent of Republicans under 30 support gay marriage. According to Data Science polling, 64 percent of self-identifying Evangelical Millennials support same-sex marriage.

Be careful there Flapper, you are about to prove that Conservatism is a philosophy and NOT an ideology! ;)
 
Boss cannot speak for Conservatism because he is a mere Rushbot, a far right reactionary, as others and I have demonstrated time and again in this thread.
 
Hey, damnit, I'm one of the oldest and most conservatives hanging out here and I support gay marriage.

I draw the line at any hate group forcing its agenda on people but that's not confined to any sexually orientation.

Well, I am a Conservative who opposes Gay Marriage but it's not because I think "Jesus says it's icky!"

It's a fundamental disagreement that government should have the right to define marriage for the individual, gay or straight. I advocate removing "marriage" language from all laws and replacing that with "domestic partnership" which can be acknowledged through mutual civil union contracts. I don't support Gay Marriage because I don't want government dictating what marriage is. Liberals seem to be okay with that, so long as government dictates the kind of marriage they want.

I actually think a strong candidate using conservative philosophy, can take this issue away from the left and make it their own. Marriage, and what you want to call marriage, should not be any business of limited and smaller Federal government.
 
You are arguing a libertarian ideology not a Conservative philosophy.

I am not "arguing" anything. I am stating my personal ideological leanings which are essentially rooted in conservative philosophy. I am very libertarian-minded in my views, I like liberty and freedoms for all. I don't want MY personal view imposed on you, nor your personal view imposed on me. I want our collective communities to decide what is best through the democratic process. I can live with that, whether I can agree with it or not, that's just my personal viewpoint.

Conservatism is not an ideology. It is an overarching philosophic approach to problem solving and governance. Perhaps you could say that it is the basis for which you might form an ideological view, but the philosophy is not the ideology. That is the great misnomer and lie which has, admittedly, been very successful for the left since Reagan. Promoting the false narrative that Conservatism is this litany of undesirable ideologies and extremes which is simply untrue.
 
Hey, damnit, I'm one of the oldest and most conservatives hanging out here and I support gay marriage.

I draw the line at any hate group forcing its agenda on people but that's not confined to any sexually orientation.

Well, I am a Conservative who opposes Gay Marriage but it's not because I think "Jesus says it's icky!"

It's a fundamental disagreement that government should have the right to define marriage for the individual, gay or straight. I advocate removing "marriage" language from all laws and replacing that with "domestic partnership" which can be acknowledged through mutual civil union contracts. I don't support Gay Marriage because I don't want government dictating what marriage is. Liberals seem to be okay with that, so long as government dictates the kind of marriage they want.

I actually think a strong candidate using conservative philosophy, can take this issue away from the left and make it their own. Marriage, and what you want to call marriage, should not be any business of limited and smaller Federal government.

Jake speaks for the neo-statist ,establishment types. He also never has unkind word to say about Obama.
 
Reagan didn't "grow the government" because the President of the United States can't do anything more than sign legislation passed by Congress or issue executive orders. Any government growth that happened under Reagan was the result of Tip O'Neil and the Democrat Congress.
Sure Reagan was never president, just a figurehead with a pen, because BobDole and the GOP Senate ran the country. But then Reagan won the "Cold War" even though he was out of office when the wall came down and the Dems still ran Congress. So everything the Far Right gives St Ronnie credit for belongs to the Dem Congress according to a true CON$ervative. :cuckoo: That 'ill be the day!

Pursuant to the Constitution, any appropriation bill (expanding of government) must originate in the House of Representatives. I will state it again: ANY Government expansion which took place under Reagan was because of the Democrats who controlled the House.

Also, the ending of the Cold War wasn't the result of a physical barrier being removed in Berlin. The wall was definitely a symbol, but it wasn't what facilitated the Cold War. According to Gorbachev and others who were Soviet and America dignitaries of the time, the thing most responsible for ending the Cold War was Reagan's SDI and his hard line at Reykjavik. A position the Liberal Left opposed vehemently and warned would cause WWIII and a nuclear holocaust.


No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.

Perhaps he did, Reagan was a pragmatic president who had a conservative philosophy and wasn't committed to some rigid ideology. Were these taxes that needed to be raised? We don't know because you didn't say. I can only assume they did because most of the Dems who controlled Congress had to approve it.

But you are right, Reagan wasn't perfect... he also didn't adhere to an ideology. When he first announced he would run for president, Republican elites had a cow. They attacked him relentlessly. George H.W. Bush coined the phrase "voodoo economics" to describe his economic plan. Everyone in the establishment GOP backed Howard Baker and the general consensus was, Reagan could NEVER win the general election... he was "too far right" to pull it off! (Exactly the same things they are saying about Ted Cruz.)


Most of Reagan's so called "tax increases " were closing loopholes which was part of his tax reform. Obama gives tax credits and liberals label them tax cuts. Obama the "tax cutter" :lmao:
 
No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.
Maybe you should learn a little history genius

When Democrats or media embrace Reagan for “raising taxes X number of times,” they are usually engaging in willful obfuscation. This is because they know that when most people hear the words, “tax hike,” they naturally assume you mean raising income taxes. But tax rates (both nominal and effective) dropped dramatically across-the-board during Reagan’s tenure.
Again we see the deliberate deception of the Far Right by controlling the language. "Tax hike" means "tax hike" not "income tax hike." St Ronnie raised every kind of tax except the PROGRESSIVE income tax. Reagan raised all the regressive taxes he could like payroll taxes and gas taxes and cut the progressive income tax. As a result the total taxes paid by the wealthy went down and the total taxes paid by the middle class went up. Reagan started the destruction of the middle class.

In 1980, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, middle-income families with children paid 8.2 percent of their income in income taxes, and 9.5 percent in payroll taxes. By 1988 the income tax share was down to 6.6 percent but the payroll tax share was up to 11.8 percent, and the combined burden was up from 17.7% to 18.4%, shifting some of the tax burden from the PROGRESSIVE income tax to the REGRESSIVE payroll tax.
 
No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.
Maybe you should learn a little history genius

When Democrats or media embrace Reagan for “raising taxes X number of times,” they are usually engaging in willful obfuscation. This is because they know that when most people hear the words, “tax hike,” they naturally assume you mean raising income taxes. But tax rates (both nominal and effective) dropped dramatically across-the-board during Reagan’s tenure.
Again we see the deliberate deception of the Far Right by controlling the language. "Tax hike" means "tax hike" not "income tax hike." St Ronnie raised every kind of tax except the PROGRESSIVE income tax. Reagan raised all the regressive taxes he could like payroll taxes and gas taxes and cut the progressive income tax. As a result the total taxes paid by the wealthy went down and the total taxes paid by the middle class went up. Reagan started the destruction of the middle class.

In 1980, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, middle-income families with children paid 8.2 percent of their income in income taxes, and 9.5 percent in payroll taxes. By 1988 the income tax share was down to 6.6 percent but the payroll tax share was up to 11.8 percent, and the combined burden was up from 17.7% to 18.4%, shifting some of the tax burden from the PROGRESSIVE income tax to the REGRESSIVE payroll tax.

LOL...You're a fool. Tax reform means lots of loopholes were eliminated, tax simplification. More people moved up the income scale under Reagan, upward mobility, but you're a moron and to dense to understand the concept. People aren't destined to stay in the same tax bracket their entire lives. You statist love special tax carve outs negotiated by the crony capitalist Democrat and Republican. Provide links for your bogus numbers
 
No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.
Maybe you should learn a little history genius

When Democrats or media embrace Reagan for “raising taxes X number of times,” they are usually engaging in willful obfuscation. This is because they know that when most people hear the words, “tax hike,” they naturally assume you mean raising income taxes. But tax rates (both nominal and effective) dropped dramatically across-the-board during Reagan’s tenure.
Again we see the deliberate deception of the Far Right by controlling the language. "Tax hike" means "tax hike" not "income tax hike." St Ronnie raised every kind of tax except the PROGRESSIVE income tax. Reagan raised all the regressive taxes he could like payroll taxes and gas taxes and cut the progressive income tax. As a result the total taxes paid by the wealthy went down and the total taxes paid by the middle class went up. Reagan started the destruction of the middle class.

In 1980, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, middle-income families with children paid 8.2 percent of their income in income taxes, and 9.5 percent in payroll taxes. By 1988 the income tax share was down to 6.6 percent but the payroll tax share was up to 11.8 percent, and the combined burden was up from 17.7% to 18.4%, shifting some of the tax burden from the PROGRESSIVE income tax to the REGRESSIVE payroll tax.
Provide links for your bogus numbers
The Unofficial Paul Krugman Web Page

Mr. Reagan's second tax increase was also motivated by a sense of responsibility — or at least that's the way it seemed at the time. I'm referring to the Social Security Reform Act of 1983, which followed the recommendations of a commission led by Alan Greenspan. Its key provision was an increase in the payroll tax that pays for Social Security and Medicare hospital insurance.

For many middle- and low-income families, this tax increase more than undid any gains from Mr. Reagan's income tax cuts. In 1980, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, middle-income families with children paid 8.2 percent of their income in income taxes, and 9.5 percent in payroll taxes. By 1988 the income tax share was down to 6.6 percent — but the payroll tax share was up to 11.8 percent, and the combined burden was up, not down.
 
Reagan didn't "grow the government" because the President of the United States can't do anything more than sign legislation passed by Congress or issue executive orders. Any government growth that happened under Reagan was the result of Tip O'Neil and the Democrat Congress.
Sure Reagan was never president, just a figurehead with a pen, because BobDole and the GOP Senate ran the country. But then Reagan won the "Cold War" even though he was out of office when the wall came down and the Dems still ran Congress. So everything the Far Right gives St Ronnie credit for belongs to the Dem Congress according to a true CON$ervative. :cuckoo: That 'ill be the day!

Pursuant to the Constitution, any appropriation bill (expanding of government) must originate in the House of Representatives. I will state it again: ANY Government expansion which took place under Reagan was because of the Democrats who controlled the House.

Also, the ending of the Cold War wasn't the result of a physical barrier being removed in Berlin. The wall was definitely a symbol, but it wasn't what facilitated the Cold War. According to Gorbachev and others who were Soviet and America dignitaries of the time, the thing most responsible for ending the Cold War was Reagan's SDI and his hard line at Reykjavik. A position the Liberal Left opposed vehemently and warned would cause WWIII and a nuclear holocaust.


No.

In negotiations with Tipp O'Neal, Reagan asked for and got SIX tax hikes.

You will not be allowed to re-write history just to make Reagan look perfect. He was not.

Perhaps he did, Reagan was a pragmatic president who had a conservative philosophy and wasn't committed to some rigid ideology. Were these taxes that needed to be raised? We don't know because you didn't say. I can only assume they did because most of the Dems who controlled Congress had to approve it.

But you are right, Reagan wasn't perfect... he also didn't adhere to an ideology. When he first announced he would run for president, Republican elites had a cow. They attacked him relentlessly. George H.W. Bush coined the phrase "voodoo economics" to describe his economic plan. Everyone in the establishment GOP backed Howard Baker and the general consensus was, Reagan could NEVER win the general election... he was "too far right" to pull it off! (Exactly the same things they are saying about Ted Cruz.)


I agree with you more than you realize and think that on the whole, Reagan was a competent president. But the legend of him being this great Conservative is just that: a legend. He governed from the middle, as it should be.
 
You are arguing a libertarian ideology not a Conservative philosophy.

I am not "arguing" anything. I am stating my personal ideological leanings which are essentially rooted in conservative philosophy. I am very libertarian-minded in my views, I like liberty and freedoms for all. I don't want MY personal view imposed on you, nor your personal view imposed on me. I want our collective communities to decide what is best through the democratic process. I can live with that, whether I can agree with it or not, that's just my personal viewpoint.

Conservatism is not an ideology. It is an overarching philosophic approach to problem solving and governance. Perhaps you could say that it is the basis for which you might form an ideological view, but the philosophy is not the ideology. That is the great misnomer and lie which has, admittedly, been very successful for the left since Reagan. Promoting the false narrative that Conservatism is this litany of undesirable ideologies and extremes which is simply untrue.


And I fight for YOUR right to to have those leanings.

I also think you described it pretty well. Actually, the same basic idea could then apply to Liberalism, if we use your logic.
 
You are arguing a libertarian ideology not a Conservative philosophy.

I am not "arguing" anything. I am stating my personal ideological leanings which are essentially rooted in conservative philosophy. I am very libertarian-minded in my views, I like liberty and freedoms for all. I don't want MY personal view imposed on you, nor your personal view imposed on me. I want our collective communities to decide what is best through the democratic process. I can live with that, whether I can agree with it or not, that's just my personal viewpoint.

Conservatism is not an ideology. It is an overarching philosophic approach to problem solving and governance. Perhaps you could say that it is the basis for which you might form an ideological view, but the philosophy is not the ideology. That is the great misnomer and lie which has, admittedly, been very successful for the left since Reagan. Promoting the false narrative that Conservatism is this litany of undesirable ideologies and extremes which is simply untrue.


And I fight for YOUR right to to have those leanings.

I also think you described it pretty well. Actually, the same basic idea could then apply to Liberalism, if we use your logic.

But it doesn't apply to Liberalism because Liberalism has an ideological agenda. You can PRETEND they are the same thing, but that is a lie. This is why Reagan's Conservatism is confusing to you and it seems he wasn't conservative.. He wasn't an ideologue with an ideological agenda. He was a conservative practicing Conservative philosophy.
 
You are arguing a libertarian ideology not a Conservative philosophy.

I am not "arguing" anything. I am stating my personal ideological leanings which are essentially rooted in conservative philosophy. I am very libertarian-minded in my views, I like liberty and freedoms for all. I don't want MY personal view imposed on you, nor your personal view imposed on me. I want our collective communities to decide what is best through the democratic process. I can live with that, whether I can agree with it or not, that's just my personal viewpoint.

Conservatism is not an ideology. It is an overarching philosophic approach to problem solving and governance. Perhaps you could say that it is the basis for which you might form an ideological view, but the philosophy is not the ideology. That is the great misnomer and lie which has, admittedly, been very successful for the left since Reagan. Promoting the false narrative that Conservatism is this litany of undesirable ideologies and extremes which is simply untrue.


And I fight for YOUR right to to have those leanings.

I also think you described it pretty well. Actually, the same basic idea could then apply to Liberalism, if we use your logic.
Thank Reagan for the Germany you sit in today. If it were left up to the leftist they have negotiated a way to sustain the eastern block:thup:
 

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