FBI apprehends Christian terror group on US soil

[Pogo]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

 

[Weatherman2020]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

Shitforbrains now brings up what Democrats did in 1861.
What a pathetic worm.

 

[Pogo]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

Shitforbrains now brings up what Democrats did in 1861.
What a pathetic worm.

The Klan wasn't founded until 1865 -- AFTER the War. And it was founded by Confederate veteran soldiers (young ones) -- not "Democrats" or any other political party. That one didn't last 15 years; the second (Simmons) iteration was founded by a salesman acting out a history fantasy -- again not a political party.

Might wanna break open the piggy bank and buy a history book. You can't just make it up here.

The point you're desperately trying to deflect is the religious basis. Deflection fails.

 

[Mac1958]

We really need to find a way to deal with these radical, murderous Presbyterians.

They're damn near as bloodthirsty as Methodists.

Yeah, the Methodists really crossed the line with those internet beheadings.
.

Ah, you mean like this?

Portrait of Will James. Circa 1907, Cairo, illinois. Gelatin silver print. James (alias) Froggie."

"Half- Burned Head of James on Pole" in Candee Park. November 11, 1909, Cairo, Illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription on reverse: "This Pole is in Candee Park. Enter section of Washington avenue and Elm st which have Will James (alia) Froggie half Burnt Head." Etched into negative, "Half Burned Head of James" and photographers name, "leBlock."

--- James was hung, riddled with bullets, dragged for a mile, then set afire in front of ten thousand spectators. (source)
​

You must have a special program to identify Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't see the distinction but that's me.

1907, 1909.

Over 100 years ago.

Weak, transparent deflection noted, thanks.

Wow.
.

 

[Katzndogz]

Could anyone avoid retribution by converting to the klan?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

Shitforbrains now brings up what Democrats did in 1861.
What a pathetic worm.

The Klan wasn't founded until 1865 -- AFTER the War. And it was founded by Confederate veteran soldiers (young ones) -- not "Democrats" or any other political party. That one didn't last 15 years; the second (Simmons) iteration was founded by a salesman acting out a history fantasy -- again not a political party.

Might wanna break open the piggy bank and buy a history book. You can't just make it up here.

The point you're desperately trying to deflect is the religious basis. Deflection fails.

The

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

The 19th century called, they want you to stop living in it and give it back.

 

[Pogo]

We really need to find a way to deal with these radical, murderous Presbyterians.

They're damn near as bloodthirsty as Methodists.

Yeah, the Methodists really crossed the line with those internet beheadings.
.

Ah, you mean like this?

Portrait of Will James. Circa 1907, Cairo, illinois. Gelatin silver print. James (alias) Froggie."

"Half- Burned Head of James on Pole" in Candee Park. November 11, 1909, Cairo, Illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription on reverse: "This Pole is in Candee Park. Enter section of Washington avenue and Elm st which have Will James (alia) Froggie half Burnt Head." Etched into negative, "Half Burned Head of James" and photographers name, "leBlock."

--- James was hung, riddled with bullets, dragged for a mile, then set afire in front of ten thousand spectators. (source)
​

You must have a special program to identify Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't see the distinction but that's me.

And we might note, they didn't limit to beheadings --- events such as the above -- in the 20th century -- burned victims, sold body parts as souvenirs and even printed postcards commemorating the event:

​

The body of mentally disabled 17-year-old Jesse Washington after he was beaten with shovels and bricks, castrated, had his ears and fingers cut off and finally burned alive. His body is here hanging on display in Robinson, seven miles from Waco, where the lynching took place. Front: "Charred corpse of Jesse Washington suspended from utility pole. May 16, 1916, Robinson, Texas. Gelatin silver paint. Real photo postcard. 5 1/2 x 3 1/2"." Back: "Reverse of postcard (plate 25). This card bears the advertising stamp, "KATY ELECTRIC STUDIO TEMPLE TEXAS. H. LIPPE PROP." Inscribed in brown ink: 'This is the Barbecue we had last night my picture is to the left with a cross over it your son Joe." -- Wiki page

--- all this went on literally thousands of times. (Reference thread on that subtopic here)

-- and we could add what was going on in the South immediately after that War, not only beatings, whippings, hangings and body parts but even skinning. This was exactly the mob element that formed various vigilante/insurgent groups such as the White League, Red Caps, Knights of the White Camellia and several others, to commit such terrorism as an organization --- and would then infiltrate the Klan, which had originally been nothing more than a joke, the rest being bloody history.

This is where Mob Mentality leads. Picking out one demographic (blacks, Jews, Muslims, Kurds, Catholics, "witches"...) and demonizing them with a broad brush. And yet we keep doing it expecting different results.

 

[Weatherman2020]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

Shitforbrains now brings up what Democrats did in 1861.
What a pathetic worm.

The Klan wasn't founded until 1865 -- AFTER the War. And it was founded by Confederate veteran soldiers (young ones) -- not "Democrats" or any other political party. That one didn't last 15 years; the second (Simmons) iteration was founded by a salesman acting out a history fantasy -- again not a political party.

Might wanna break open the piggy bank and buy a history book. You can't just make it up here.

The point you're desperately trying to deflect is the religious basis. Deflection fails.

EXCUUUUUSE MEEEEE!
Shitforbrains brings up what Democrats did in 1865.
What a pathetic worm.

 

[martybegan]

Islamic Terrorist do their attacks in support of and because of Islam. Remind us of the times MS-13 has done the same BECAUSE of Christian beliefs and teachings?

ISIS desires the creation of a Islamic State, built on Islamic principles, and recruits people with Islamic beliefs.

Until he was tracked down and caught I had a terrorist around here -- and this wasn't a gang-on-gang thing, he was blowing up innocent people regardless of who happened to be around, BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. And doing it for the specific purpose of terrorizing people.

His name was Eric Rudolph. He's a Catholic, which I'm pretty sure is not "Islamic".

Then there was Scott Roeder, in Kansas. I uh, don't think he was yelling "Allahu Akhbar" as he murdered a doctor in cold blood in a church BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. But it's a fair bet he might have yelled an English equivalent.

See the difference between "Islamic" and "Christian" terrorism?
Me neither.

This is the part you wags stick your head in the sand and refuse to get -- anybody can claim to do what they do because the Flying Spaghetti Monster told them to. That doesn't mean His Holiness the FSM (praised be his noodly name) even knows a thing about it.

Son of Sam claimed a dog was giving him orders. By the mob mentality logic popular this week we should have already rounded up and deported all dogs.

Same thing. What the hell, pun intended, makes the word of a psychotic murderer suddenly "reliable" on religious matters?
I mean break a brain cell sweat and think for a moment.

Eric Rudolph did not have a large population base that sympathized with his goals and views, neither did Berkowitz. You don't see abortion clinics getting blown up weekly, or guys who's dogs talk to them terrorize a city weekly. But here you have a plane blown up, a city assaulted, and now a hotel attacked and hostages taken, all in the name of Islam.

Your heading being in the sand because it is politically damaging for your "leaders" is more telling than anything else you are posting.

So logic depends on frequency on your planet, does it?

What IS the frequency, Kenneth? At what point does logic kick in and Double Standard retire? 42?

While you're ducking your head so as to miss the point, Rudolph, Roeder, and we can name many more*, acted on exactly the same kind of zealotry you're bending over backward to see a different way. Berkowitz isn't considered a terrorist; that's simply another illustration that anyone can claim anything as a source. It's illuminative that you guys are not above taking the word of lowlifes as angelic pure truth when it suits your purpose to do so.

"Depends on how often it happens" --- what an enormous cop-out.


(* - Griffin, Salvi, Hill, Grace, Markley, Goldsby, Simmons, Simmons, Wiggins, Uphoff, Kopp, Earl, Hughes, Donahoe, McMenemy, Altman, Baca, Derosia, Rogers, Waagner and maybe more seriously an equal number who were never caught. And btw at least three of those names are preceded with the title "Reverend")

Yes, it depends on how often it happens, and the chance it has on destabilizing society in general.

But keep defending the ineptitude of your dear leader if it makes you feel better.

 

[Claudette]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

Shitforbrains now brings up what Democrats did in 1861.
What a pathetic worm.

That he is.

Tell me. Just what does all his bullshit have to do with Muslim terrorists??

I'm sure everyone would all like to know.

 

[Fang]

Sgt. Richard Valdemar | Fairly Civil

"Police have arrested three alleged members of the Latino gang MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) in connection with the murder. The “alleged” perpetrators are — but of course, leave us not rush to judgment — “innocent until proven guilty” under law. But the incident is a depressing echo of story after story of Latino gang violence that I document in my forthcoming book — No Boundaries: Transnational Latino Gangs and American Law Enforcement (University of Michigan Press, Spring 2009).

The two most violent transnational youth gangs — MS-13 and the 18th Street gang — are present today in almost every state in the union. Their virulent spread within the United States is a casebook study of “blowback,” the unintended bad consequence of what seems at the time like a good idea."


Should deny immigration to Christians, close churches, and label Christianity a terrorist religion.

Right?

To think I stopped posting on my local forum hoping to find more intelligent discussion here... smh

 

[Mac1958]

The Regressive Left deflects for the PC-protected religion, an element of which is doing everything it can to slaughter as many innocents as it can, then complain when their motives are questioned.

 

[Pogo]

We really need to find a way to deal with these radical, murderous Presbyterians.

They're damn near as bloodthirsty as Methodists.

Yeah, the Methodists really crossed the line with those internet beheadings.
.

Ah, you mean like this?

Portrait of Will James. Circa 1907, Cairo, illinois. Gelatin silver print. James (alias) Froggie."

"Half- Burned Head of James on Pole" in Candee Park. November 11, 1909, Cairo, Illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription on reverse: "This Pole is in Candee Park. Enter section of Washington avenue and Elm st which have Will James (alia) Froggie half Burnt Head." Etched into negative, "Half Burned Head of James" and photographers name, "leBlock."

--- James was hung, riddled with bullets, dragged for a mile, then set afire in front of ten thousand spectators. (source)
​

You must have a special program to identify Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't see the distinction but that's me.

1907, 1909.

Over 100 years ago.

Weak, transparent deflection noted, thanks.

Wow.

Feel free to essplain how the laws of logic morph themselves from one year to another.

Oh this oughta be good.

 

[Pogo]

Islamic Terrorist do their attacks in support of and because of Islam. Remind us of the times MS-13 has done the same BECAUSE of Christian beliefs and teachings?

ISIS desires the creation of a Islamic State, built on Islamic principles, and recruits people with Islamic beliefs.

Until he was tracked down and caught I had a terrorist around here -- and this wasn't a gang-on-gang thing, he was blowing up innocent people regardless of who happened to be around, BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. And doing it for the specific purpose of terrorizing people.

His name was Eric Rudolph. He's a Catholic, which I'm pretty sure is not "Islamic".

Then there was Scott Roeder, in Kansas. I uh, don't think he was yelling "Allahu Akhbar" as he murdered a doctor in cold blood in a church BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. But it's a fair bet he might have yelled an English equivalent.

See the difference between "Islamic" and "Christian" terrorism?
Me neither.

This is the part you wags stick your head in the sand and refuse to get -- anybody can claim to do what they do because the Flying Spaghetti Monster told them to. That doesn't mean His Holiness the FSM (praised be his noodly name) even knows a thing about it.

Son of Sam claimed a dog was giving him orders. By the mob mentality logic popular this week we should have already rounded up and deported all dogs.

Same thing. What the hell, pun intended, makes the word of a psychotic murderer suddenly "reliable" on religious matters?
I mean break a brain cell sweat and think for a moment.

Eric Rudolph did not have a large population base that sympathized with his goals and views, neither did Berkowitz. You don't see abortion clinics getting blown up weekly, or guys who's dogs talk to them terrorize a city weekly. But here you have a plane blown up, a city assaulted, and now a hotel attacked and hostages taken, all in the name of Islam.

Your heading being in the sand because it is politically damaging for your "leaders" is more telling than anything else you are posting.

So logic depends on frequency on your planet, does it?

What IS the frequency, Kenneth? At what point does logic kick in and Double Standard retire? 42?

While you're ducking your head so as to miss the point, Rudolph, Roeder, and we can name many more*, acted on exactly the same kind of zealotry you're bending over backward to see a different way. Berkowitz isn't considered a terrorist; that's simply another illustration that anyone can claim anything as a source. It's illuminative that you guys are not above taking the word of lowlifes as angelic pure truth when it suits your purpose to do so.

"Depends on how often it happens" --- what an enormous cop-out.


(* - Griffin, Salvi, Hill, Grace, Markley, Goldsby, Simmons, Simmons, Wiggins, Uphoff, Kopp, Earl, Hughes, Donahoe, McMenemy, Altman, Baca, Derosia, Rogers, Waagner and maybe more seriously an equal number who were never caught. And btw at least three of those names are preceded with the title "Reverend")

Yes, it depends on how often it happens, and the chance it has on destabilizing society in general.

But keep defending the ineptitude of your dear leader if it makes you feel better.

My "dear leader" is The Truth and historical fact.
Got a problem with that?

 

[martybegan]

Islamic Terrorist do their attacks in support of and because of Islam. Remind us of the times MS-13 has done the same BECAUSE of Christian beliefs and teachings?

ISIS desires the creation of a Islamic State, built on Islamic principles, and recruits people with Islamic beliefs.

Until he was tracked down and caught I had a terrorist around here -- and this wasn't a gang-on-gang thing, he was blowing up innocent people regardless of who happened to be around, BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. And doing it for the specific purpose of terrorizing people.

His name was Eric Rudolph. He's a Catholic, which I'm pretty sure is not "Islamic".

Then there was Scott Roeder, in Kansas. I uh, don't think he was yelling "Allahu Akhbar" as he murdered a doctor in cold blood in a church BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. But it's a fair bet he might have yelled an English equivalent.

See the difference between "Islamic" and "Christian" terrorism?
Me neither.

This is the part you wags stick your head in the sand and refuse to get -- anybody can claim to do what they do because the Flying Spaghetti Monster told them to. That doesn't mean His Holiness the FSM (praised be his noodly name) even knows a thing about it.

Son of Sam claimed a dog was giving him orders. By the mob mentality logic popular this week we should have already rounded up and deported all dogs.

Same thing. What the hell, pun intended, makes the word of a psychotic murderer suddenly "reliable" on religious matters?
I mean break a brain cell sweat and think for a moment.

Eric Rudolph did not have a large population base that sympathized with his goals and views, neither did Berkowitz. You don't see abortion clinics getting blown up weekly, or guys who's dogs talk to them terrorize a city weekly. But here you have a plane blown up, a city assaulted, and now a hotel attacked and hostages taken, all in the name of Islam.

Your heading being in the sand because it is politically damaging for your "leaders" is more telling than anything else you are posting.

So logic depends on frequency on your planet, does it?

What IS the frequency, Kenneth? At what point does logic kick in and Double Standard retire? 42?

While you're ducking your head so as to miss the point, Rudolph, Roeder, and we can name many more*, acted on exactly the same kind of zealotry you're bending over backward to see a different way. Berkowitz isn't considered a terrorist; that's simply another illustration that anyone can claim anything as a source. It's illuminative that you guys are not above taking the word of lowlifes as angelic pure truth when it suits your purpose to do so.

"Depends on how often it happens" --- what an enormous cop-out.


(* - Griffin, Salvi, Hill, Grace, Markley, Goldsby, Simmons, Simmons, Wiggins, Uphoff, Kopp, Earl, Hughes, Donahoe, McMenemy, Altman, Baca, Derosia, Rogers, Waagner and maybe more seriously an equal number who were never caught. And btw at least three of those names are preceded with the title "Reverend")

Yes, it depends on how often it happens, and the chance it has on destabilizing society in general.

But keep defending the ineptitude of your dear leader if it makes you feel better.

My "dear leader" is The Truth and historical fact.
Got a problem with that?

never trust a person who talks about "Truth," they are usually lying to themselves.

 

[Pogo]

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[12] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[13] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[14] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[15] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[16] -- Wiki​

The KKK (second iteration, 1915) targeted not only blacks, Jews, Catholics and communists but drinkers (it was pro-Prohibition) adulterers and "loose women", in at least one case pulling a (white) woman out of her house and whipping her for the "crime" of "not going to church". It's why I call 'em the American Taliban. And as far as the "base of support" Special Pleading Fallacy somebody's bound to trot out as if it's an argument, at its peak an estimated one-third of the entire male population of Indiana was Klan.

But by all means, deniers, regale us with still yet more of yon pretentious platitudinal piffle of how terrorism is an "Islam" thing.

Shitforbrains now brings up what Democrats did in 1861.
What a pathetic worm.

That he is.

Tell me. Just what does all his bullshit have to do with Muslim terrorists??

I'm sure everyone would all like to know.

Shall we bring it home in a convenient capsule? Good, let's do that.

Comes down to this:
A terrorist claims to be acting on behalf of Jesus (Rudolph, McVeigh, the litany list in post 35), you wags go "he's a liar, he's an imposter, he's not a Christian!"
- Another terrorist claims to act on behalf of Allah, suddenly his word is absolute truth, pure as the driven snow because he's NEVER misrepresent that.

Double standard. QED.

Apparently y 'all would have us believe that Christians are liars and Muslims are always truthful.

That is, if you want to keep leaning on the blanket generalization crutch. No other conclusion is possible.

Wiggle out of that one, Fallacists.

 

[Mac1958]

We really need to find a way to deal with these radical, murderous Presbyterians.

They're damn near as bloodthirsty as Methodists.

Yeah, the Methodists really crossed the line with those internet beheadings.
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Ah, you mean like this?

Portrait of Will James. Circa 1907, Cairo, illinois. Gelatin silver print. James (alias) Froggie."

"Half- Burned Head of James on Pole" in Candee Park. November 11, 1909, Cairo, Illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription on reverse: "This Pole is in Candee Park. Enter section of Washington avenue and Elm st which have Will James (alia) Froggie half Burnt Head." Etched into negative, "Half Burned Head of James" and photographers name, "leBlock."

--- James was hung, riddled with bullets, dragged for a mile, then set afire in front of ten thousand spectators. (source)
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You must have a special program to identify Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't see the distinction but that's me.

1907, 1909.

Over 100 years ago.

Weak, transparent deflection noted, thanks.

Wow.

Feel free to essplain how the laws of logic morph themselves from one year to another.

Oh this oughta be good.

Sure.

Cultures and societies change over time, unless you think we have not progressed in over 100 years. Ha ha.

And that doesn't explain your deflection, not that I would expect you to.
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[jc456]

Sgt. Richard Valdemar | Fairly Civil

"Police have arrested three alleged members of the Latino gang MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) in connection with the murder. The “alleged” perpetrators are — but of course, leave us not rush to judgment — “innocent until proven guilty” under law. But the incident is a depressing echo of story after story of Latino gang violence that I document in my forthcoming book — No Boundaries: Transnational Latino Gangs and American Law Enforcement (University of Michigan Press, Spring 2009).

The two most violent transnational youth gangs — MS-13 and the 18th Street gang — are present today in almost every state in the union. Their virulent spread within the United States is a casebook study of “blowback,” the unintended bad consequence of what seems at the time like a good idea."


Should deny immigration to Christians, close churches, and label Christianity a terrorist religion.

Right?

great post. This just shows the limitations we already face with illegals that have come here from Mexico. It is what Trump has been saying everyday. Bringing in another form of terrorist just isn't what this country needs. This is a perfect example of why the syrian refugees should be vetted.

 

[Pogo]

They're damn near as bloodthirsty as Methodists.

Yeah, the Methodists really crossed the line with those internet beheadings.
.

Ah, you mean like this?

Portrait of Will James. Circa 1907, Cairo, illinois. Gelatin silver print. James (alias) Froggie."

"Half- Burned Head of James on Pole" in Candee Park. November 11, 1909, Cairo, Illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription on reverse: "This Pole is in Candee Park. Enter section of Washington avenue and Elm st which have Will James (alia) Froggie half Burnt Head." Etched into negative, "Half Burned Head of James" and photographers name, "leBlock."

--- James was hung, riddled with bullets, dragged for a mile, then set afire in front of ten thousand spectators. (source)
​

You must have a special program to identify Methodists and Presbyterians. I don't see the distinction but that's me.

1907, 1909.

Over 100 years ago.

Weak, transparent deflection noted, thanks.

Wow.

Feel free to essplain how the laws of logic morph themselves from one year to another.

Oh this oughta be good.

Sure.

Cultures and societies change over time, unless you think we have not progressed in over 100 years. Ha ha.

And that doesn't explain your deflection, not that I would expect you to.

Deflection noted.
It says, and we quote, "essplain [sic] how the laws of logic morph themselves from one year to another".

Not "cultural mores", not "societlal standards" -- LAWS OF LOGIC.

IOW essplain how, say, Daesh (we don't use the Goddess' name any more, fuck them) acts on a religious basis in 2015, yet the Klan was not and is not acting on the same basis over the last century.

Klanners are still around btw -- do they get some kind of Platonic waiver?

Do you have a copy of the logic standards for every year? Do you know when next year's are coming out? Is it New Year's Day, or do they bring 'em out in the fall, like new cars?

Colossal failure...

Here's a hint -- there's no way to wiggle out of this. The wormhole is closed.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sgt. Richard Valdemar | Fairly Civil

"Police have arrested three alleged members of the Latino gang MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) in connection with the murder. The “alleged” perpetrators are — but of course, leave us not rush to judgment — “innocent until proven guilty” under law. But the incident is a depressing echo of story after story of Latino gang violence that I document in my forthcoming book — No Boundaries: Transnational Latino Gangs and American Law Enforcement (University of Michigan Press, Spring 2009).

The two most violent transnational youth gangs — MS-13 and the 18th Street gang — are present today in almost every state in the union. Their virulent spread within the United States is a casebook study of “blowback,” the unintended bad consequence of what seems at the time like a good idea."


Should deny immigration to Christians, close churches, and label Christianity a terrorist religion.

Right?

So apparently you felt the need to show the world today that you're an idiot.