Firearms registration would be unconstitutional and virtually impossible in the US

[rightwinger]

How if Firearms were not universally Serialized until the 20th Century ?

so?

Your local militia records Failzero has a smoothbore Flintlock of a certain caliber

 

[Failzero]

so?

Your local militia records Failzero has a smoothbore Flintlock of a certain caliber

How would they know if I only visited the nearest tiny Hamlet once every 6 months or so ?

 

[JGalt]

Of course it was. It's akin to a modern day firearm registration database...just on paper, retained by the town, overseen by adjudicators. They knew who you were, what weapon(s) you owned, and how much ammo you had.

Give it up. You lost this argument.

For the record, there should be a national database of gun registrations. And no private sales (all have to go through a licensed and registered broker). No ghost guns or no guns without serial numbers. Get caught with one of those and to prison you go.

@JackOfNoTrade

How could I lose this argument? You haven't even tried to address the point made in the video. Say for instance there was a gun registration system in the US. Are criminals going to register their guns? To do that would be an unconstitutional violation of their right to not incriminate themselves.

And what about recreational and medicinal users of marijuana? You do know that it's a federal crime and a felony for a user of a recreational or medicinal marijuana to be in possession of a firearm or even ammunition, right?

"Federal law prohibits the possession of a firearm or ammunition by any person who is “an unlawful user of
or addicted to any controlled substance.” 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3)"

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:18 section:922 edition:prelim)

So you're saying that pot smokers should have to violate their own Fifth Amendment rights and incriminate themselves by registering their firearms?

I can think of several folks on here who wouldn't take kindly to that, folks on both sides of the political aisle.

 

[JGalt]

Well, there sure is in Maryland!! All guns are supposed to be registered here!

The state of Maryland's registration system only covers handguns and whatever they consider an "assault weapon." Hunting rifles and shotguns aren't required to be registered.

Registration in Maryland

That is unconstitutional, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[JGalt]

You don’t have a Constitutional right to not register firearms

But as was explained on page one, firearms registration would be a violation of Fifth Amendment rights for some people: Are armed criminals and recreational or medicinal users of marijuana going to register their firearms?

 

[Failzero]

But as was explained on page one, firearms registration would be a violation of Fifth Amendment rights for some people: Are armed criminals and recreational or medicinal users of marijuana going to register their firearms?

Are Illegals and Enemy Combatant infiltrators ?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Someone's been watching "Red Dawn" (the original..not the shitty remake) too many times.

Denial is the last resort for an idiot.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You can’t maintain well regulated militias without gun registration

Wrong registration laws was the way to keep firearms out of the hands of black Americans created by democrats

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Actually it means a militia that is organized, trained and equipped.
A militia needs to know what weapons are available to maintain the security of a free state

Trained and equipped by the individual members

 

[JGalt]

Are Illegals and Enemy Combatant infiltrators ?

Both are foreign invaders, as far as I'm concerned. The illegals just have protection from the government.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Which is why I never bothered to do it.

That may be true but it's stupid to support the party that's wants to do it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You didn't because you couldn't. There is no firearms registration system in the US, voluntary or involuntary.

The atf has one now. they created a new rule the handling of the atf 4473

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The question is…..Is gun registration Constitutional?
In the context of “Well Regulated Militias” it is

In the 1780s, well regulated militias had registration of guns

Wrong

 

[bigrebnc1775]

. A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters—where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls.

Looks like a well regulated militia required gun registration

In working order as to be expected

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

@JackOfNoTrade

How could I lose this argument? You haven't even tried to address the point made in the video. Say for instance there was a gun registration system in the US. Are criminals going to register their guns? To do that would be an unconstitutional violation of their right to not incriminate themselves.

And what about recreational and medicinal users of marijuana? You do know that it's a federal crime and a felony for a user of a recreational or medicinal marijuana to be in possession of a firearm or even ammunition, right?

"Federal law prohibits the possession of a firearm or ammunition by any person who is “an unlawful user of
or addicted to any controlled substance.” 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3)"

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:18 section:922 editionrelim)

So you're saying that pot smokers should have to violate their own Fifth Amendment rights and incriminate themselves by registering their firearms?

I can think of several folks on here who wouldn't take kindly to that, folks on both sides of the political aisle.

You are deflecting. You opined that guns were not registered in the formative days of this country. When they were.

Maybe you need to smoke some pot. Might clear your head.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You are deflecting. You opined that guns were not registered in the formative days of this country. When they were.

Maybe you need to smoke some pot. Might clear your head.

Democrats did create a gun registration that was to keep guns out of the hands of blacks

 

[JGalt]

The atf has one now. they created a new rule the handling of the atf 4473

I just read that from their website. That's really unconstitutional.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Democrats did create a gun registration that was to keep guns out of the hands of blacks

Actually, the first person to do that was a Republican.

California Gun Control: How Ronald Reagan and the Black Panthers Started a Movement

The state’s first major gun control law was signed in 1967 by Gov. Ronald Reagan.

californialocal.com

 

[JGalt]

You are deflecting. You opined that guns were not registered in the formative days of this country. When they were.

Maybe you need to smoke some pot. Might clear your head.

How am I "deflecting" from my own thread? The original post stated that firearms registration would be unconstitutional and virtually impossible. The video made that point clear.

You were one of those who "deflected" by making the assumption that firearms registration has already existed in the US, ever since the Revolutionary War.

And then like a dope, you contradicted yourself by stating we needed a firearms registration system.

BTW, I don't smoke pot. That shit is federally-illegal, it fucks up your brain, and isn't worth forfeiting my 2A rights over.

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[bigrebnc1775]

Actually, the first person to do that was a Republican.

California Gun Control: How Ronald Reagan and the Black Panthers Started a Movement

The state’s first major gun control law was signed in 1967 by Gov. Ronald Reagan.

californialocal.com

No jackass guns laws to keep black Americans from having a firearm happen long before California was a state.