First he says we don't pay tariffs

[Rambunctious]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

 

[pknopp]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

 

[deanrd]

A normal president would lead the rest of the world into helping the United States fight Chinese bad market practice. But Trump decided to go it alone and we have no allies.

 

[Rambunctious]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

 

[pknopp]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

 

[Rambunctious]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

 

[Wry Catcher]

Sounds like he knows his war is hurting our economy....

Not hurting the economy or me

Then what is his concern? Farmers are doing great.

Farmers are getting government welfare.

 

[pknopp]

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

 

[Rambunctious]

China undercuts our farmers and corporations...they steal technology and illegally inflate or deflate their money as they see fit and until now no one has called them on it....if we have to get creative to stop their illegal acts then that is what we have to do....our farmers know we have got to open their markets up and create a level playing field with China or we will never rise above where we are now.....always looking up and seeing China...not good when you add in the kind of nation they have become....

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

They didn't cut their rates...they devalued their dollar so they can beat customers out of their competition and sidetrack any ill affect from the tariffs...Trump shamed them into pulling back....

 

[pknopp]

LOL, not that I couldn't pick on many of your statements but exactly how it is "illegal" for them to "Inflate or deflate" their money?

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

They didn't cut their rates...they devalued their dollar so they can beat customers out of their competition and sidetrack any ill affect from the tariffs...Trump shamed them into pulling back....

Capitalism. Free Markets.

Trump pressures Fed to cut rates, weaken dollar to boost exports

 

[Rambunctious]

Manipulation of Exchange Rates in International Law: The Chinese Yuan | ASIL

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

They didn't cut their rates...they devalued their dollar so they can beat customers out of their competition and sidetrack any ill affect from the tariffs...Trump shamed them into pulling back....

Capitalism. Free Markets.

Trump pressures Fed to cut rates, weaken dollar to boost exports

Capitalism. Free Markets...that's the goal...too bad we have had to wait this long for a leader with enough guts to go for it.....not sure why you have issues with America standing up for herself...but I'm proud to see us stand up to China for a change....

 

[pknopp]

That's exactly what we do. It's exactly what Trump is telling the Fed to do..

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

They didn't cut their rates...they devalued their dollar so they can beat customers out of their competition and sidetrack any ill affect from the tariffs...Trump shamed them into pulling back....

Capitalism. Free Markets.

Trump pressures Fed to cut rates, weaken dollar to boost exports

Capitalism. Free Markets...that's the goal...too bad we have had to wait this long for a leader with enough guts to go for it.....not sure why you have issues with America standing up for herself...but I'm proud to see us stand up to China for a change....

It's fine to stand up for yourself but it's not fine to condemn other countries for doing what we have long done.

 

[AsherN]

Yes as we should pay our farmes during this difficult time as we are winning the war it will be over soon

Farmers need the taxpayer's money because they can't sell their goods to China. China has secured new sources for the products.. What makes you think that once the tariffs come down, China will start to buy from the US again?

 

[edward37]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

People love Socialist programs when they are the ones benefiting from them.

Yes Those farmers getting billions should be ashamed of themselves

 

[Rambunctious]

Trump is asking the fed to be reasonable with interest rates...not devalue our dollar so we can take advantage of other nations.....

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

They didn't cut their rates...they devalued their dollar so they can beat customers out of their competition and sidetrack any ill affect from the tariffs...Trump shamed them into pulling back....

Capitalism. Free Markets.

Trump pressures Fed to cut rates, weaken dollar to boost exports

Capitalism. Free Markets...that's the goal...too bad we have had to wait this long for a leader with enough guts to go for it.....not sure why you have issues with America standing up for herself...but I'm proud to see us stand up to China for a change....

It's fine to stand up for yourself but it's not fine to condemn other countries for doing what we have long done.

Have you just started paying attention last week?....you are defending the biggest currency manipulator on earth by comparing us to them...notice how Europe is not beating Trump up on this?...its because they all quietly support what we are doing....you should too....

 

[Rambunctious]

Yes as we should pay our farmes during this difficult time as we are winning the war it will be over soon

Farmers need the taxpayer's money because they can't sell their goods to China. China has secured new sources for the products.. What makes you think that once the tariffs come down, China will start to buy from the US again?

We are the only one that can feed their population uninterrupted....they know it and so do we....

 

[pknopp]

LOL, always excuses to excuse us doing what we condemn others for doing. China cut their rates to boost their economy, that is exactly what we do also.

They didn't cut their rates...they devalued their dollar so they can beat customers out of their competition and sidetrack any ill affect from the tariffs...Trump shamed them into pulling back....

Capitalism. Free Markets.

Trump pressures Fed to cut rates, weaken dollar to boost exports

Capitalism. Free Markets...that's the goal...too bad we have had to wait this long for a leader with enough guts to go for it.....not sure why you have issues with America standing up for herself...but I'm proud to see us stand up to China for a change....

It's fine to stand up for yourself but it's not fine to condemn other countries for doing what we have long done.

Have you just started paying attention last week?....you are defending the biggest currency manipulator on earth by comparing us to them...notice how Europe is not beating Trump up on this?...its because they all quietly support what we are doing....you should too....

Europe is ignoring Trump.

China, EU agree to strengthen trade relationship

Europe has turned to China to save the Iran deal also.

China and India seen as Europe's last hope to save Iran deal - Reuters

 

[pknopp]

Yes as we should pay our farmes during this difficult time as we are winning the war it will be over soon

Farmers need the taxpayer's money because they can't sell their goods to China. China has secured new sources for the products.. What makes you think that once the tariffs come down, China will start to buy from the US again?

We are the only one that can feed their population uninterrupted....they know it and so do we....

No we aren't. They only buy our commodities to decrease the trade gap.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

76% of farmers say they fully support Trump's efforts with China....we should all support it.....China is a bad nation...maybe the worst on the planet right now....

That is what happens when you give a group an extra 22 billion dollars on top of the 20 billion you give them every year.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Crumble crumble
A recession means a fall in GDP / national output. A recession will typically be characterised by high unemployment, falling average incomes, increased inequality and higher government borrowing. The impact of a recession depends on how long it lasts and the depth of the fall in output. The main costs of a recession will be

1. Unemployment
2. Rise in poverty
3. Falling real incomes
4. Increased inequality
5. Less Tax revenue – higher borrowing
6. Permanently lost output

Mmm, yeah, thanks for telling us what we all already know.


You let out the part that it is part of the normal economic cycle that all economies go though.



So, blaming Trump for it happening, is like blaming him for the sun setting.

Not all economies go through what we do.

Check out a book called Fragile By Design for more info if you like

You're making the claim that the expansion/recession cycle is some plan by someone?


That is a new one. I'd love to hear more.


I assume that this plan started well before Trump and will continue long after him. Indeed, I would imagine, that you would agree with me, in context, that blaming Trump for it, is as stupid as blaming him for the Sun setting.


Come on then. Say it. Agree with me.

Trump gets blame and credit for all sorts of shit he should not, this is nothing new.

Though there is a very good case to be made that that trade war will make the recession worse.

As for if it is a plan or not...read the book. It is a short read.

Blaming him for the normal business cycle, makes it more obvious than normal that the person doing the blaming, is just a partisan hack not worthy of any respect.


I will try to take a look at the book.

There are 50 threads a day on this forum giving Trump credit for damn near everything even remotely positive, you do not see to whine about them...I wonder why?