Florida Gov. DeSantis Has Just Signed A Bill Into Law That Would Allow Everyday Floridians To Sue Big Tech Platforms For Monetary Damages

[WEATHER53]

ocial media has a constitutional right to not publish. That is not being barred.

It sure is. The government is assigning fines if they don’t publish elected officials and subjecting them to civil liability for not publishing.

This bill has nothing to do with slander and libel.

You complaints have nothing to do with the Constitution. You are merely defending the ability of the left to censor conservatives, you fucking NAZI.

Liars, slanderers, conspiracy theorists and those promoting violence shouldn't be given a venue regardless of their political affiliation.

Let them shout it to the heavens, but newspapeers won't give them creedence either.

We have a First Amendment that says otherwise. Slander has always been actionable. The rest is merely speech that Dim NAZIs such as you don't like.

Newspapers can be sued, moron. You've already been told that 1000 time.

Slander is an oral defamation, fucking moron.

Not permitting members to post on their service for violating their terms of service is not that.

Oh, yes. He used the OTHER defamation word. How can anyone be so totally wrong?


You fucking pettifogger.

Harping on irrelevant trivialities is FAUX's favorite tactic.

Fucking moron, how did you not understand it's not defamation in any terms?

What? Both Libel and Slander are forms of defamation.

And neither apply here. Banning a member for violating the terms of service is not defamation.

The analogy applies. Everyone may slander/libel/defame at will, but could be subject to tort liability.

No, they're not. There's no defamation for enforcing terms of service. That's like saying if I become a member at Mar-a-Lago, I can sue Trump for defamation and force him to keep me as a member should I violate the agreed to terms of service and not pay my renewal fees.

Oh, no wonder. You're a dumb fuck. You don't understand analogous arguments.

Let me explain it to you.

Just like defamation DOES NOT limit free speech, but provides for tort liability on said speech, this Florida law DOES NOT limit what Facebook can ban, but provides for tort liability if Facebook does not disclose and moderate consistently.

See? This is called an analogous argument. Any questions?

You're retarded. I never said the ban limits free speech. I said it forces companies to provide free speech which violates said companies rights.

NO IT DOES NOT!!!! They can ban ANYTHING they want. They just have to make it clear in the TOS and apply it consistently or users can sue them.

LOL

Now you're agreeing with me. I said multiple times they can ban any member for violating their terms of service.

Glad you're finally on board.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR 5 PAGES!!!

Apparently, you and your buddies hate the fact that now Floridians can sue Facebook if they get content banned by Facebook and Facebook didn't make it clear that such content would be banned, or Facebook bans January 6 organizers but lets BLM and Maxine Waters run off at the mouth WITH IMPUNITY.

Facebook's free speech is not being limited. Neither is their liability.

To be clear, there will be only one such lawsuit. That will culminate with the Judicary ripping this law to shreds.

I'll put you down as one who believes it will be shot down, but on what grounds? Be specific.

It infringes on the companies' rights of free speech, not the members. Free speech isn't just the issue of limiting speech, it also includes forcing speech on someone. Social media platforms are private entities, they can limit speech on any of their members as they choose. Florida is the government. The government cannot infringe on a private entity's (or person's) right of free speech. Florida will lose the moment the attempt to fine anyone over this.

It’s not free speech to prohibit and remove speech that does not match your political beliefs and feelings .
It is an act of illegal censorship

 

[dblack]

Do you believe in tort liability or not?

I don't believe in the excuses you're shoveling, regardless of what you call it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Democrats running around screaming free markets! Free markets! Just unbelievable. Literally, as if they care about free markets.

They are just cheering because it's working, Republicans are being silenced.

Right. Your support for the free market is just as fake as there's. You support it, until it's not working in your favor - then you bail on all your principle and demand that society bake you a cake.

And dblack doesn't see a problem

I sure don't. I think it's funny. Hypocritical douchbags being rejected by sane society. Keep squealing. It's awesome.

Who is doing the squealing now? Florida gives individuals a tort liability cause of action and everyone is screaming bloody murder as if it were their money on the line, rather than Facebook.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Do you believe in tort liability or not?

I don't believe in the excuses you're shoveling, regardless of what you call it.

So, you don't believe Florida has the right to codify tort liability for social media failing to conduct business in Florida a certain way?

 

[dblack]

Democrats running around screaming free markets! Free markets! Just unbelievable. Literally, as if they care about free markets.

They are just cheering because it's working, Republicans are being silenced.

Right. Your support for the free market is just as fake as there's. You support it, until it's not working in your favor - then you bail on all your principle and demand that society bake you a cake.

And dblack doesn't see a problem

I sure don't. I think it's funny. Hypocritical douchbags being rejected by sane society. Keep squealing. It's awesome.

Who is doing the squealing now? Florida gives individuals a tort liability cause of action and everyone is screaming bloody murder as if it were their money on the line, rather than Facebook.

It's everyone's freedom that's on the line. Government needs to stay out of this.

 

[dblack]

Do you believe in tort liability or not?

I don't believe in the excuses you're shoveling, regardless of what you call it.

So, you don't believe Florida has the right to codify tort liability for social media failing to conduct business in Florida a certain way?

I don't believe in the excuses you're shoveling, regardless of what you call it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's everyone's freedom that's on the line. Government needs to stay out of this.

Government is staying out of it. Government is simply giving tort liability recourse under certain circumstances.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Do you believe in tort liability or not?

I don't believe in the excuses you're shoveling, regardless of what you call it.

So, you don't believe Florida has the right to codify tort liability for social media failing to conduct business in Florida a certain way?

I don't believe in the excuses you're shoveling, regardless of what you call it.

See, this is YOU tossing your principles into the fire because YOU are not getting what YOU want.

All Florida is mandating of Facebook is to be transparent and consistent. If Facebook refuses, Floridians can sue them and you are acting like this will somehow lead to a totalitarian state.

 

[Faun]

It's not defamation...

Then why have you been arguing it is, Karen?

Banning a member for violating the terms of service is not defamation.

The analogy applies. Everyone may slander/libel/defame at will, but could be subject to tort liability.

 

[Faun]

It's everyone's freedom that's on the line. Government needs to stay out of this.

Government is staying out of it. Government is simply giving tort liability recourse under certain circumstances.

LOLOL

You fucking deranged.

The government seeks to fine social media companies who ban political members for more than 14 days.

You know, the exact opposite of "staying out of it."

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's not defamation...

Then why have you been arguing it is, Karen?

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Banning a member for violating the terms of service is not defamation.

The analogy applies. Everyone may slander/libel/defame at will, but could be subject to tort liability.​

What the fuck are you trying to argue? Is there some disagreement here that we haven't already resolved?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The government seeks to fine social media companies who ban political members for more than 14 days.

You know, the exact opposite of "staying out of it."

This is the problem. You are dipping into half the conversation and acting like you've been reading it all. We ALREADY discussed that part of the bill and most of us agree that it will be shot down. NOW we are talking about the tort liability portion.

Why don't you shut the fuck up until you have read the entire string of comments?

 

[Dadoalex]

I love this solution. It won't matter if Blue states don't follow suit. All the red state lawsuits will bankrupt the Big tech companies.

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

Is Florida going to cover their legal bills when they lose?

We have plenty of lawyers down here in Florida, and no one has to pay unless those lawyers win the case....Just like the big case with Tobacco quite a few years ago, you can bet those hungry lawyers are getting ready for a very big pay day....

At Morgan & Morgan, we believe everyone is entitled to quality legal representation regardless of how much money they make. Our attorneys work on a contingency-fee basis — we don’t get paid unless you win — so that you can afford to hire an excellent attorney to protect your interests.

Frequently Asked Questions | Morgan & Morgan Law Firm​

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You think the EXTREMELY liberal John Morgan is going to take any of this crap on contingency?

Loser cases each and every one.

No responsible and respectable lawyer is going to take these "cases" on contingency. Of course that does leave those great Trump election lawyers. They won lots of those cases didn't they?

Sure they will, once somebody wins one. Then the flood gates will open. Bye Bye Facebook.

Riiiight.
This stinking pile never makes it past the first legal test.
Bank it!

I've never seen any convincing evidence that conservatives care about the constitution.

When there's something they want (like a virtually limitless right to carry firearms around almost anywhere they go) they'll talk about the 2nd Amendment.

However, when there's something conservatives don't like (like abortion, or Facebook's right to manage their own platform and sanction people who violate their terms of service) then they're fine with a state passing a law which attempts to usurp federal law even though the constitution prohibits individual states from doing so.

They've VERY flexible that way.

It's the very same reason conservatives felt like they should be able to overturn the 2020 election, regardless of what the constitution states.

Conservatives do care about the Constitution.
Tiny Brained "conservatives" care only about their theology.

Why "conservative" because they call themselves "conservatives" but haven't the foggiest notion of what Conservativism is.
Why "theology?" Because what they believe has nothing to do with ideology, history, or actual factual information. That's why they argue the stupidest "facts."
Ever try to get a Bible thumper, to admit that the story of Adam and Eve is fiction?
Ever try to get a person calling themselves "conservative" to admit Trump lost the popular vote in both elections?

There ya go.
In either case your time is better spent talking to a stack of bricks.

 

[dblack]

All Florida is mandating of Facebook is to be transparent and consistent. If Facebook refuses, Floridians can sue them and you are acting like this will somehow lead to a totalitarian state.

Government has no business forcing websites to follow your vision of "transparent and consistent". If some of us prefer a website that rejects Trump's bullshit, where do get off forcing the issue? Why do you think you should be able to sue a website for banning you?

 

[Dadoalex]

I love this solution. It won't matter if Blue states don't follow suit. All the red state lawsuits will bankrupt the Big tech companies.

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

Is Florida going to cover their legal bills when they lose?

We have plenty of lawyers down here in Florida, and no one has to pay unless those lawyers win the case....Just like the big case with Tobacco quite a few years ago, you can bet those hungry lawyers are getting ready for a very big pay day....

At Morgan & Morgan, we believe everyone is entitled to quality legal representation regardless of how much money they make. Our attorneys work on a contingency-fee basis — we don’t get paid unless you win — so that you can afford to hire an excellent attorney to protect your interests.

Frequently Asked Questions | Morgan & Morgan Law Firm​

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You think the EXTREMELY liberal John Morgan is going to take any of this crap on contingency?

Loser cases each and every one.

No responsible and respectable lawyer is going to take these "cases" on contingency. Of course that does leave those great Trump election lawyers. They won lots of those cases didn't they?

Sure they will, once somebody wins one. Then the flood gates will open. Bye Bye Facebook.

Riiiight.
This stinking pile never makes it past the first legal test.
Bank it!

I've never seen any convincing evidence that conservatives care about the constitution.

When there's something they want (like a virtually limitless right to carry firearms around almost anywhere they go) they'll talk about the 2nd Amendment.

However, when there's something conservatives don't like (like abortion, or Facebook's right to manage their own platform and sanction people who violate their terms of service) then they're fine with a state passing a law which attempts to usurp federal law even though the constitution prohibits individual states from doing so.

They've VERY flexible that way.

It's the very same reason conservatives felt like they should be able to overturn the 2020 election, regardless of what the constitution states.

Whenever a lefty starts waxing sanctimoniously about the Constitution, I bust out laughing.

I bet you do.

Like a joke you've never heard before.
Told in a language you're incapable of understanding.
It's called nervous laughter.
Lots of people use it to cover their ignorance.

 

[Dadoalex]

I love this solution. It won't matter if Blue states don't follow suit. All the red state lawsuits will bankrupt the Big tech companies.

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

Is Florida going to cover their legal bills when they lose?

We have plenty of lawyers down here in Florida, and no one has to pay unless those lawyers win the case....Just like the big case with Tobacco quite a few years ago, you can bet those hungry lawyers are getting ready for a very big pay day....

At Morgan & Morgan, we believe everyone is entitled to quality legal representation regardless of how much money they make. Our attorneys work on a contingency-fee basis — we don’t get paid unless you win — so that you can afford to hire an excellent attorney to protect your interests.

Frequently Asked Questions | Morgan & Morgan Law Firm​

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You think the EXTREMELY liberal John Morgan is going to take any of this crap on contingency?

Loser cases each and every one.

No responsible and respectable lawyer is going to take these "cases" on contingency. Of course that does leave those great Trump election lawyers. They won lots of those cases didn't they?

Sure they will, once somebody wins one. Then the flood gates will open. Bye Bye Facebook.

Riiiight.
This stinking pile never makes it past the first legal test.
Bank it!

I've never seen any convincing evidence that conservatives care about the constitution.

When there's something they want (like a virtually limitless right to carry firearms around almost anywhere they go) they'll talk about the 2nd Amendment.

However, when there's something conservatives don't like (like abortion, or Facebook's right to manage their own platform and sanction people who violate their terms of service) then they're fine with a state passing a law which attempts to usurp federal law even though the constitution prohibits individual states from doing so.

They've VERY flexible that way.

It's the very same reason conservatives felt like they should be able to overturn the 2020 election, regardless of what the constitution states.

"I've never seen any convincing evidence that conservatives care about the Constitution" = "I want to believe they don't care about it, so I refuse to EVER be convinced, and I think the Constitution is whatever the fuck I want at the moment that conservatives refuse to give me".

*yawn*

Yeah, we're total hypocrites for only liking the parts of the Constitution that actually exist in explicit words. The problem can't possibly be that the only time left-twats like you care about the sanctity of the Constitution is when you're trying to claim it for something that doesn't exist anywhere in the document.

And by all means, you should stand on your moral authority to lecture about the horrors of "usurping federal law" . . . just as soon as you vent some of that outrage at states that legalize marijuana and have "sanctuary cities" in them.

No one's interested in hearing what you "know" the law is and how it works just because it sounded good to you when you thought of it five minutes ago.

Of course.
The stupid love the ignorant.

 

[Dadoalex]

I love this solution. It won't matter if Blue states don't follow suit. All the red state lawsuits will bankrupt the Big tech companies.

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

Is Florida going to cover their legal bills when they lose?

We have plenty of lawyers down here in Florida, and no one has to pay unless those lawyers win the case....Just like the big case with Tobacco quite a few years ago, you can bet those hungry lawyers are getting ready for a very big pay day....

At Morgan & Morgan, we believe everyone is entitled to quality legal representation regardless of how much money they make. Our attorneys work on a contingency-fee basis — we don’t get paid unless you win — so that you can afford to hire an excellent attorney to protect your interests.

Frequently Asked Questions | Morgan & Morgan Law Firm​

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You think the EXTREMELY liberal John Morgan is going to take any of this crap on contingency?

Loser cases each and every one.

No responsible and respectable lawyer is going to take these "cases" on contingency. Of course that does leave those great Trump election lawyers. They won lots of those cases didn't they?

Rudy, Sidney or Lin Wood might take a case like this - Assuming of course they haven’t been disbarred by then

And are out of prison.

 

[struth]

There's a place for lies, slander, dangerous medical advice, personal attacks and insane conspiracy theories. Maybe Conservative Treehouse or WMD would be appropriate for Trump.

maybe

but that doesn’t negate the fact that all that takes place on facebook and tweeter as well, and they shouldn’t be above the law and protected from liability

That's the point.. Facebook doesn't want the liability associated with lies, slander and bad medical advice. Trump needs to take that on himself.. He's trying to undermine the election process. Facebook doesn't want to be party to that.

Trump should take on the liability of his lies and conspiracy theories.

No, that's NOT the point, because Facebook doesn't currently face any liabilities associated with the content posted by its users. Basically, you're doing the same dishonest shit they're trying to: demanding that they get to act like publishers, while trying to cloak your bigotry in the mantle of "platform".

You have no business accusing anyone else of being a liar, given that you've never said a truthful word in all the time you've been spewing shit on this board. Oh, and the word "lie" is not defined as "saying things I don't like". Good to know that your knowledge of the English language is as extensive as your knowledge of the law.

Democrats running around screaming free markets! Free markets! Just unbelievable. Literally, as if they care about free markets.

They are just cheering because it's working, Republicans are being silenced.

And dblack doesn't see a problem

it’s not even about free markets. Free markets welcome the exchange of ideas, not censorship.

with that said, facebook is free in a free society to publish the content they want...with that said they should therefore be treated the same as everyone else in that business

Exchange of ideas like football players kneeling during the National Anthem? How did the right like that exchange of ideas?

I think some folks didn't like it....what's your point? I am not seeing the connection here. Facebook is free to have requirements of their employees as well. Facebook employees can sue Facebook....just like Kap was free to sue the NFL.

what we however is talking about something different all together. We are talking about consumers being able to sue Facebook. Just like consumers are free to sue the New Yorker, or NY Times....why do you continue to think that Facebook should be immune, be treated differently and get better protections?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Government has no business forcing websites to follow your vision of "transparent and consistent".

There is no force. There is only liability.

If some of us prefer a website that rejects Trump's bullshit, where do get off forcing the issue? Why do you think you should be able to sue a website for banning you?

They can ban all the bullshit they want. If they want to avoid tort liability, they will do so consistently and transparently.

This reaction is you abandoning your principles in favor of what you want....no "Trump bullshit" You couldn't give a single rat fuck about liberty.

 

[Dadoalex]

I love this solution. It won't matter if Blue states don't follow suit. All the red state lawsuits will bankrupt the Big tech companies.

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

JUST IN - Florida Gov. DeSantis has just signed a bill into law that would allow everyday Floridians to sue Big Tech Platforms for monetary damages.​

Is Florida going to cover their legal bills when they lose?

We have plenty of lawyers down here in Florida, and no one has to pay unless those lawyers win the case....Just like the big case with Tobacco quite a few years ago, you can bet those hungry lawyers are getting ready for a very big pay day....

At Morgan & Morgan, we believe everyone is entitled to quality legal representation regardless of how much money they make. Our attorneys work on a contingency-fee basis — we don’t get paid unless you win — so that you can afford to hire an excellent attorney to protect your interests.

Frequently Asked Questions | Morgan & Morgan Law Firm​

View attachment 493074
www.forthepeople.com/faq/general/

You think the EXTREMELY liberal John Morgan is going to take any of this crap on contingency?

Loser cases each and every one.

No responsible and respectable lawyer is going to take these "cases" on contingency. Of course that does leave those great Trump election lawyers. They won lots of those cases didn't they?

Sure they will, once somebody wins one. Then the flood gates will open. Bye Bye Facebook.

Riiiight.
This stinking pile never makes it past the first legal test.
Bank it!

I've never seen any convincing evidence that conservatives care about the constitution.

When there's something they want (like a virtually limitless right to carry firearms around almost anywhere they go) they'll talk about the 2nd Amendment.

However, when there's something conservatives don't like (like abortion, or Facebook's right to manage their own platform and sanction people who violate their terms of service) then they're fine with a state passing a law which attempts to usurp federal law even though the constitution prohibits individual states from doing so.

They've VERY flexible that way.

It's the very same reason conservatives felt like they should be able to overturn the 2020 election, regardless of what the constitution states.

"I've never seen any convincing evidence that conservatives care about the Constitution" = "I want to believe they don't care about it, so I refuse to EVER be convinced, and I think the Constitution is whatever the fuck I want at the moment that conservatives refuse to give me".

*yawn*

Yeah, we're total hypocrites for only liking the parts of the Constitution that actually exist in explicit words. The problem can't possibly be that the only time left-twats like you care about the sanctity of the Constitution is when you're trying to claim it for something that doesn't exist anywhere in the document.

And by all means, you should stand on your moral authority to lecture about the horrors of "usurping federal law" . . . just as soon as you vent some of that outrage at states that legalize marijuana and have "sanctuary cities" in them.

No one's interested in hearing what you "know" the law is and how it works just because it sounded good to you when you thought of it five minutes ago.

To paraphrase Val Kilmer's Doc Holiday in "Tombstone" from 1993, conservative hypocrisy knows no bounds. However, it is a wonder to behold. I'm especially entertained when they talk about being a "principled conservative" despite the fact that they lie all the time just like the conservatives on this message board do.

Here's what a conservative illiterate posted about this particular subject yesterday:

"The big tech companies are not basecd in Florida. They cannot enforce it across state lines. It is meaningless."

What makes the post so mind-numbingly obtuse is the fact that, when it comes to federal law, state lines are irrelevant.

The "explicit words" of a constitution written in the 18th century needs to be interpreted in a 21st century world where living standards are so different but human beings and our natures are essentially the same as people from 250 years earlier. As an example, that means that a right to privacy today has to be interpreted based on the digital era we live in and not just an earlier era of hand-written correspondence.

I wouldn't be calling anyone stupid, if I were you. Your stupidity is mind boggling.

I'll help.

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stu·pid | \ ˈstü-pəd , ˈstyü- \

Definition of stupid​

(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: slow of mind : OBTUSE
b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner
c: lacking intelligence or reason : BRUTISH
2: dulled in feeling or sensation : TORPIDstill stupid from the sedative
3: marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : SENSELESSa stupid decision

Now that you know what it means can we use the word freely?
After all, it describes you "conservatives" so accurately.