For all the Bigoted Bakers, Fanatical Florists and Pharisee Photographers

[martybegan]

OK, I'll ask again:

If you are gay and you print billboards for a living, and a Christian customer walked in and asked for you to print them a billboard that says: "Homosexuality is a sin unto God" for a busy highway, would you or would you not be able to deny serving that PARTICULAR request for a billboard based on your principles as a homosexual? Yes or no?

I would think you could reasonably deny that request. I could make it my policy not to portray hateful, sexual, or violent messages on my billboards. That is not discriminating against the individual but their message.

BTW the gay people were the victims not the baker. The gays didn't discriminate by asking for a cake.

Not under the Oregon law you couldn't. That is a religious expression and religion is a protected class.

I'm on the fence. I could see an argument where a gay owner could argue that is hateful to them personally. I can also see the other side. The owner could say maybe they don't post religious or political messages at all to avoid such conflicts. Their product would then be solely product or business advertisement and not religious or political messages. I don't really know. It would be a good case.

The baker says it is hateful to them, but that didn't matter. The law in Oregon really doesn't leave any leeway. If it is a protected class (and religion is) then you cannot discriminate in any way. If you make billboards, you can't not make that billboard because you don't like what it says.

A customer asking for a wedding cake from a wedding cake store is in no way hateful. I think that's a stretch. Asking a gay person to post a billboard against gay people is personal. I would liken it more to the KKK asking a black guy to do it. I think the billboard people can choose what messages go on their billboards if they don't offer political, religious , hate, sex or nudity. I think they can choose which product to offer. The cake is the product for the baker.

So exceptions for me, but not for thee. Figures.

 

[Flash Farley]

The totalitarian commissioner.

Oregon To Rehabilitate Businesses Opposed To Gay Marriage RedState

Time for some quality time at the Ministry of Love for the Kleins.

Time to "rehabilitate" some corrupt totalitarian bureaucrats.

 

[PratchettFan]

OK, I'll ask again:

If you are gay and you print billboards for a living, and a Christian customer walked in and asked for you to print them a billboard that says: "Homosexuality is a sin unto God" for a busy highway, would you or would you not be able to deny serving that PARTICULAR request for a billboard based on your principles as a homosexual? Yes or no?

I would think you could reasonably deny that request. I could make it my policy not to portray hateful, sexual, or violent messages on my billboards. That is not discriminating against the individual but their message.

BTW the gay people were the victims not the baker. The gays didn't discriminate by asking for a cake.

Not under the Oregon law you couldn't. That is a religious expression and religion is a protected class.

I'm on the fence. I could see an argument where a gay owner could argue that is hateful to them personally. I can also see the other side. The owner could say maybe they don't post religious or political messages at all to avoid such conflicts. Their product would then be solely product or business advertisement and not religious or political messages. I don't really know. It would be a good case.

The baker says it is hateful to them, but that didn't matter. The law in Oregon really doesn't leave any leeway. If it is a protected class (and religion is) then you cannot discriminate in any way. If you make billboards, you can't not make that billboard because you don't like what it says.

A customer asking for a wedding cake from a wedding cake store is in no way hateful. I think that's a stretch. Asking a gay person to post a billboard against gay people is personal. I would liken it more to the KKK asking a black guy to do it. I think the billboard people can choose what messages go on their billboards if they don't offer political, religious , hate, sex or nudity. I think they can choose which product to offer. The cake is the product for the baker.

Not a stretch at all. A religious belief is a religious belief. It doesn't have to make sense to you, only to the person with the belief.

So, what you are saying is that if you disagree with the business owner, its discrimination. If you agree with him, its not discrimination. But that is not how the law is written.

 

[ChrisL]

A cake is a freakin' cake. A printer prints many things of varying subjects.

CREAK go the goalposts....

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

 

[ChrisL]

A cake is a freakin' cake. A printer prints many things of varying subjects.

CREAK go the goalposts....

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

So you couldn't refuse, as a gay printer, printing a billboard that quotes a bible passage condemning homosexuality, as long as you already print billboards with other messages?

Since you are apparently ignorant as well, I will repeat my post for you.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

 

[martybegan]

CREAK go the goalposts....

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

The State is wrong, and the law is wrong. do you get it?

 

[Flash Farley]

CREAK go the goalposts....

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

So you couldn't refuse, as a gay printer, printing a billboard that quotes a bible passage condemning homosexuality, as long as you already print billboards with other messages?

Since you are apparently ignorant as well, I will repeat my post for you.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

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[martybegan]

CREAK go the goalposts....

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

So you couldn't refuse, as a gay printer, printing a billboard that quotes a bible passage condemning homosexuality, as long as you already print billboards with other messages?

Since you are apparently ignorant as well, I will repeat my post for you.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

All you are doing is using weasel tactics to make your view good, ignore any counter to it. That you can't answer the question with a yes or a no shows you can't answer it at all.

 

[ChrisL]

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

The State is wrong, and the law is wrong. do you get it?

It's not wrong. The state realizes that it is bad business practice to allow businesses to discriminate. It would cost the state money in the long run. It would be an unfriendly environment for many consumers. I'm sorry that you know nothing of business or law. It's really sad and pathetic, this position that you are defending. Shame on you. States have rights when it comes to business practices, especially fair business practice, it effects the state's bottom line too.

Also, you can damn well refuse to perform a service for a customer that is out of the ordinary, especially if you can show the court that it would hurt your business earnings potential, hurt or offend a portion of your customer base, but this is all on a secular and monetary basis. You cannot claim "religious freedom" to discriminate when it comes to your business practices because it is illegal, and I believe you will find that is the case in ALL states. They are not as dumb as you.

 

[PratchettFan]

CREAK go the goalposts....

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

 

[ChrisL]

Really? Printing can be anything from a book of baby ducks to hardcore porn.
A cake is a cake. Apples and oranges my friend.

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[Nosmo King]

In fact, I can open up a business that specializes in making signs for churches. That is not discriminatory either. That just happens to be the products I offer at my business.

OK, I'll ask again:

If you are gay and you print billboards for a living, and a Christian customer walked in and asked for you to print them a billboard that says: "Homosexuality is a sin unto God" for a busy highway, would you or would you not be able to deny serving that PARTICULAR request for a billboard based on your principles as a homosexual? Yes or no?

I would think you could reasonably deny that request. I could make it my policy not to portray hateful, sexual, or violent messages on my billboards. That is not discriminating against the individual but their message.

BTW the gay people were the victims not the baker. The gays didn't discriminate by asking for a cake.

Not under the Oregon law you couldn't. That is a religious expression and religion is a protected class.

I'm on the fence. I could see an argument where a gay owner could argue that is hateful to them personally. I can also see the other side. The owner could say maybe they don't post religious or political messages at all to avoid such conflicts. Their product would then be solely product or business advertisement and not religious or political messages. I don't really know. It would be a good case.

My brother owns and operates a printing shop that has been in my family for four generations. My brother is a strong advocate for gun control.

Every so often, a sportsmen's club will order raffle tickets and the prizes are guns. He ALWAYS prints them up for the customers. It's not his place to approve or disapprove of his client's activities. He preforms a service that's legal, public and honest.

There is no place for a mercantile seal of approval of their customers. Imposing one is simple discrimination.

 

[PratchettFan]

No, it isn't. It is exactly the same thing. If you sell a product or a service then you cannot refuse to sell that product or service to someone when it falls within a protected class. What that product or service might be is irrelevant.

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

I agree ignorance is no excuse. And even after I posted the text of the law for you to read, you remain ignorant. So it is doubly true for you.

 

[ChrisL]

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

I agree ignorance is no excuse. And even after I posted the text of the law for you to read, you remain ignorant. So it is doubly true for you.

Oh? Why don't you tell me which part of my statements is false. I'm waiting.

 

[ChrisL]

I can certainly say as a printer that I do not offer porn as a product. That is not discrimination based on race, gender, religion or sexual preference. It's my company policy. You cannot demand that I sell a product I don't offer. A bakery that sells wedding cakes, sells wedding cakes. They have every right to tell me that they won't make a penis shaped cake if they don't offer that. They cannot however refuse to sell me cake #23 from their catalog on the grounds that it's for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. It is in no way the same.

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

I agree ignorance is no excuse. And even after I posted the text of the law for you to read, you remain ignorant. So it is doubly true for you.

Religious freedom does NOT trump civil rights or anti discrimination law. This has been established in the past.

 

[PratchettFan]

I don't believe pornography is a protected class, so that is a non-issue. Let us not move away from what the actual scenario is. A customer wants you to put up a billboard, which is the service you provide, stating that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. That is an expression of religious belief and religion is a protected class. The Oregon law prohibits your refusing taking on that job because you don't like the message.

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

I agree ignorance is no excuse. And even after I posted the text of the law for you to read, you remain ignorant. So it is doubly true for you.

Oh? Why don't you tell me which part of my statements is false. I'm waiting.

We have already been down this path. You didn't understand it before and you won't understand it if I do it again. You have no idea what you are talking about and I am concluding you are incapable of getting it. Now you are just boring me. So scamper off and tell everyone you won.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

I agree ignorance is no excuse. And even after I posted the text of the law for you to read, you remain ignorant. So it is doubly true for you.

Oh? Why don't you tell me which part of my statements is false. I'm waiting.

We have already been down this path. You didn't understand it before and you won't understand it if I do it again. You have no idea what you are talking about and I am concluding you are incapable of getting it. Now you are just boring me. So scamper off and tell everyone you won.

What is it that I "don't get?" It seems that it is you who is giving out misinformation with regard to the specific law that has been on the books that this couple blatantly violated. Now, I can easily and clearly point out where you are misrepresenting the law and I have done that. It has nothing to do with their product.

What part of my statements do you feel is misrepresenting? I am waiting.

 

[Ravi]

Again it is not about denying performing a service that you find distasteful. You can still maintain control of your product. The issue at hand is access to the product. You cannot deny a certain segment of the community access to your product if you are running a business. Period and end of story.

The flaw in that line of thinking is that private businesses provide anything.

They engage in trade they are not public accomodations

If you have a storefront on main street, you are open to the public. The whole public.

Then stores that run "by appointment only" have to let people in no matter what?

You could do that maybe. Get all of your appointments on referral. If you advertise though you can't then deny people appointments.

What if you advertise you only work Opposite Sex weddings? or only Muslim Weddings?

I'm pretty sure you could advertise that you bake for traditional Christian weddings and you won't have a problem as long as you do only bake for traditional Christian weddings.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't know if you are dumb, willfully ignorant or just dishonest. The law this couple broke has nothing to do with the product they provide. They are entitled to control their product. What they CANNOT do is refuse to sell to a segment of the community. This couple violated antidiscrimination laws by stating that they will NOT sell their product to gay people because it goes against their religious beliefs. The state does not recognize their religious beliefs as a valid argument to discriminate against a certain segment of the population. Do you get it yet?

Your understanding of the law is non-existent.

Obviously that would be yourself. You are completely misrepresenting the law. It has no bearing on your product. The fact is that this couple violated anti-discrimination laws in their community. As business owners, they should have been aware that you cannot do what they did. It is their own fault they are stupid business people. Their religious freedoms end when they violate another groups civil rights. These laws have been in effect for SOME time now. Ignorance is no excuse.

I agree ignorance is no excuse. And even after I posted the text of the law for you to read, you remain ignorant. So it is doubly true for you.

Oh? Why don't you tell me which part of my statements is false. I'm waiting.

We have already been down this path. You didn't understand it before and you won't understand it if I do it again. You have no idea what you are talking about and I am concluding you are incapable of getting it. Now you are just boring me. So scamper off and tell everyone you won.

Are you trying to make the claim that religious freedom trumps civil rights and anti discrimination laws in business practice? Ba-ha-ha! You are stupid.

 

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Meanwhile, how many "Christian bakers" are baking cakes for obese people. I thought gluttony was one of the 7 deadly sins?