Force A Change, Or Pass Out The Red Scarves

[2aguy]

Indeed. So what in each case permitted their access to firearms? Be specific.

Also in terms of Cruz, as he is the most recent, one would think using the most minimalist logic that 39 visits to the home by the sheriff's department, and a clear warning given to the FBI about the crazed young man would have prevented the shootings.

But no. The Left prefers to blame the very fact of my guns and those of other law-abiding citizens because their only care in the matter is the agenda.

Okay, let's look at that. Despite having 39 visits by the Sheriff...

Florida shooting suspect bought gun legally, authorities say

Cruz lawfully bought the semiautomatic rifle last February, according to Peter Forcelli, special agent in charge of the Miami office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The gun, a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 .223, was purchased at Sunrise Tactical Supply, according to the Associated Press.

Federal law allows people 18 and older to legally purchase long guns, including this kind of assault weapon. With no criminal record, Cruz cleared an instant background check via the FBI criminal database.

There's your problem. He was able to buy a military grade weapon despite all this.

Who made that possible? Florida is a NRA Dream State...

It isn't a millitary weapon...dumb ass....and lying everytime you post that shows you don't want to solve the problem, you just want to ban guns....

He made threats on the internet...that gave the police the ability to arrest him.....they didn't do that....the FBI could have stepped in because of the interstate violations.......and they didn't.....it wasn't because he had a gun, it was because the government, your "god" failed....

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like a failure on the part of law enforcement.
Which is kinda weird since you leftist never miss a chance to deride the police.

You mean those chances when they shoot children playing with toys? Um, yeah, you need to deride htat.

But this is a case where law enforcement isn't allowed to do its job, because we've decided that crazy people have a right to own guns.

They had the ability to arrest him as did the FBI...making threats over the internet gave them the ability to arrest and detain him, they could have then gotten a search warrant for the home....they didn't do that...

 

[2aguy]

They were told the kid was crazy and they didnt do their job.

No, they weren't allowed to do their jobs. Trump vetoes a law that kept crazy people from buying guns.

The FBI isn't even in the gun business, that would be the even more ineffective ATFE.

No...shit stain.....lying again......people who can't balance their check book aren't crazy....and it was the ACLU, and 23 other disability Rights organizations who didn't want dumb fucks like you stripping people of their Rights because you don't like guns....

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

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The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community. This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

 

[2aguy]

They were told the kid was crazy and they didnt do their job.

No, they weren't allowed to do their jobs. Trump vetoes a law that kept crazy people from buying guns.

The FBI isn't even in the gun business, that would be the even more ineffective ATFE.

They were told about a specific threat to attack schools....the FBI was alerted 2 times about this guy.....they could have gone in there and arrested and detained him.......they didn't......

 

[Tehon]

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Florida High School Students Stage Walkout To Protest Gun Violence | HuffPost

Being used by who?

 

[depotoo]

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Florida High School Students Stage Walkout To Protest Gun Violence | HuffPost

Being used by who?

 

[Tehon]

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Florida High School Students Stage Walkout To Protest Gun Violence | HuffPost

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Florida High School Students Stage Walkout To Protest Gun Violence | HuffPost

"an educational crackdown" to stage a walkout to celebrate gun violence? I can see it now, the Trump Youth:

 

[depotoo]

Kids are not aware of the NRA at that age unless their parents are members or being fed about it.

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Florida High School Students Stage Walkout To Protest Gun Violence | HuffPost

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Reports that this crazy was shooting animals and cutting himself for Instagram fame didn't ring any bells. No. No? This has to be deliberate.

 

[DarkFury]

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Why? These kids have it right.

We have a batshit crazy policy of letting any crazy person who wants a gun have one.

This is pure insanity. 17 people died on Wednesday because of it.

Shit head........we have laws on the books that would have allowed the police to stop this shooter....he made obvious threats on the internet.....they were there 39 times...the local police...the FBI had two shots at dealing with this killer.....they dropped the ball...

It isn't the gun, it isn't law abiding gun owners, it is your "god" government, that failed that day.....

Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year, times when the police are not there to stop these criminals and mass shooters.....and because our country has armed citizens...our crime rate has been dropping like a rock.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

There was a series of failures up to the last minute!
A Uber driver drove him to the school with his rifle in a soft case! That's not a red flag?
The coach that died was a NRA instructor but was NOT allowed to carry at the school!
He charged the man UNARMED! Had he been ALLOWED his weapon he would have saved lives and not lost his.

This was LAYERS of stupid by the FBI the local police and even some citizens.

 

[depotoo]

Dcf intervened after the Snapchat cutting and decided he could be helped at a clinic. They said he was not a real threat to himself or others.

Reports that this crazy was shooting animals and cutting himself for Instagram fame didn't ring any bells. No. No? This has to be deliberate.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Protesting violence.

Does anyone else think that's stupid since the assholes committing the violence don't obey the laws anyway?

 

[Tehon]

Kids are not aware of the NRA at that age unless their parents are members or being fed about it.

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

I understand their emotional confusion, but as these ill-educated teens will be replacing the one-time hippies currently enjoying political power and feeding them abject nonsense, perhaps a move should be made.

Should there not be a concerted effort - an educational crackdown, if you will - to force future generations to at least honestly confront and consider the thinking and logic behind the foundation of the country they will one day either lead, or destroy?

Florida High School Students Stage Walkout To Protest Gun Violence | HuffPost

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

I see. Our kids can't form their own opinions.

Sad state of affairs we have here.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Kids are not aware of the NRA at that age unless their parents are members or being fed about it.

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

I see. Our kids can't form their own opinions.

Sad state of affairs we have here.

That's public education for you. Do not question what you're being told. In our children's school it's the polar opposite. They encourage rebuttal and sharing of ideas and ideals.

 

[depotoo]

How can you form an opinion with a one sided view presented as though it is fact, only?

Kids are not aware of the NRA at that age unless their parents are members or being fed about it.

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

They are being used, sadly, and they don’t know any better. The ones feeding them are the ones that failed them. This killer was screaming his intentions, whether from crying out for real help, or from madness, and he was ignored, and given chance after chance after chance, (which equaled to no chance in reality) and it brought us to this tragedy. 5e adults knew he was a threat, and yet really did nothing. He is first guilty but there are many around that are also guilty.

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

I see. Our kids can't form their own opinions.

Sad state of affairs we have here.

 

[Tehon]

Kids are not aware of the NRA at that age unless their parents are members or being fed about it.

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

I see. Our kids can't form their own opinions.

Sad state of affairs we have here.

That's public education for you. Do not question what you're being told. In our children's school it's the polar opposite. They encourage rebuttal and sharing of ideas and ideals.

Well of course those leftists can't do anything right. But the conservative schools, they get it right. Of course.

 

[Tehon]

How can you form an opinion with a one sided view presented as though it is fact, only?

Kids are not aware of the NRA at that age unless their parents are members or being fed about it.

You really need to ask that question? If you don’t know who pushes this crap, I can’t help you.

Being used by who?

You know what these kids just went through. You don't believe it's possible that they are expressing themselves sincerely?

You seem to have a very low opinion of our youth. Could that be a part of the dysfunction we are seeing in our society?

I see. Our kids can't form their own opinions.

Sad state of affairs we have here.

I don't know, let me consult the expert.

depotoo How can you form an opinion with a one sided view presented as though it is fact, only?

 

[JoeB131]

Collusion is in itself no crime, and since there was no collusion in any case, your point is academic at best.

See, exactly my point. You are okay with a "president' who conspires with Russians to throw the election, but you accuse the other side of being unAmerican.. Sure.

 

[JoeB131]

And of the ways children die.....mass shootings or drowning......drowning kills far more children...as do cars.....yet asswipes like you don't focus on bodies of water or automobiles...the leading causes of child death......

Because if we confiscated every last gun in the country tomorrow, there would be no impact on anyone's life.

We'd have a harder time living without water.

Oh, drowning does not kill more children than guns.

Only 300 people drown every year, of which on out of five are under 14.

Unintentional Drowning: Get the Facts | Home and Recreational Safety | CDC Injury Center

You see, there was something the CDC could study because the National Water Association didn't object.

Nearly 1,300 kids are killed by guns each year

Nearly 1,300 children under the age of 17 die from gunshot wounds every year and nearly 5,800 are injured, a new comprehensive survey finds.

And that’s probably an underestimate, because gun deaths are not always consistently reported, t