Freedom of Speech vs. Political Correctness

[daws101]

PC is freedom of speech. You people are a hoot.

"he said ******!"
"lets socially assassinate him and make him bankrupt!"

Who said that? Oh, no one. You are just so afraid of saying something un-PC you need to make a strawman to protect you.

Saying something un-PC can destroy your career, as Mike Ditka recently learned.

Mike Ditka was a bigoted dick anyway
Karma is a bitch that way.

And anyone YOU think is a "bigoted dick" has to be ruined. Got it.

Ready to shine your jackboots for some goosestepping later?

The ruination was all his.
He new exactly what he was doing .
The he was an innocent victim of PC ploy won't fly.

 

[Valerie]

still not one example of PC legislation?

 

[martybegan]

I call it as a see it, and in you
I see an insecure jackass who can't handle other people's opinions at a basic level.

ironic post is ironic ^

How so? Am I calling for them to stop saying their views? I am issuing veiled threats about "consequences"?
Am I planning on blocking or boycotting their posts, or reporting them to mods? Or starting a campaign to get others to ignore their posts.

No irony here.

 

[martybegan]

still not one example of PC legislation?

We are not arguing legislation, try to stay on topic.

Also, quote function.

 

[Valerie]

your disdain of your fellow citizens is noted. Your side created the issue, and now you are whining about it.

I don't like Trump at all, but what he does to throw your side into fits is worth the horrible chance that he might get elected.

"your side" blah blah is that disdain you're expressing?

my disdain is for cowards who defend bigotry and endorse reckless rhetoric because..the boogeyman!

 

[BULLDOG]

They'll continue to. They don't want to give this tactic up. Too effective, still.
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By making people scared to voice their opinion if it goes against the progressive mantra using bully tactics and such, they have found a way to silence people without even getting the government involved. So they can yammer on about it "not being censorship" while they get the same end result of government censorship.

That's the way freedom of speech works. How long have you been against that right?

That's never how freedom of speech works, and the fact that you are pretending that it is the case just goes to show how much of a biased tool you are.

That is exactly how freedom of speech has always worked. Your confusion is from the fact that your point of view has always been the majority until recently. The country has changed and you are finally getting a view from the other side. So sad for you. Get used to it.

So its about revenge then? Right? Figures.

Any my views have always been about freedom of expression, so you don't know what you are talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. You are free to disagree.

 

[daws101]

Only if it's truly a private business.
Any business that serves the public is not private.

Seawytch is trying to get me into a trap about my concerns over businesses being forced to "bake or die".
This is actually two separate issues, one being government coercion and the other being coercion by the people.

I see no coercion, a business that does business with the public can not and should not refuse Service to anyone due a philosophy.
Safety and health are a different issue.

You do see coercion, you just don't call it that because in these cases you agree with it.

At least stop lying to yourself and call a spade a spade.

False ! pretentious asshole.
Don't make more of an asshole of yourself .

I call it as a see it, and in you I see an insecure jackass who can't handle other people's opinions at a basic level.

False you call it as you wish it.
Insecurity is not a problem for me.
Keep tossing that shit around to see what sticks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They'll continue to. They don't want to give this tactic up. Too effective, still.
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By making people scared to voice their opinion if it goes against the progressive mantra using bully tactics and such, they have found a way to silence people without even getting the government involved. So they can yammer on about it "not being censorship" while they get the same end result of government censorship.

That's the way freedom of speech works. How long have you been against that right?

That's never how freedom of speech works, and the fact that you are pretending that it is the case just goes to show how much of a biased tool you are.

If a college professor says something that is disliked by many students to the point that the students start a petition drive to get the professor fired,

where's the wrongdoing?

It really depends on what was said, and you know it. This generalization is nothing more than fodder.

But to answer the generalization, the issue is that the students are probably over sensitive cry-bullies.

Nice dodge. The question was, where's the wrongdoing?

 

[daws101]

Screw that. the problem is people have become hypersensitive, and just cant stand that other can have opposing views than they do. The proper response to speech you don't like is 1) disagreeing with the person 2)disagreeing and arguing your point or 3) disagreeing and telling the person to piss off. The proper response is not trying to ruin them, or trying to silence them, or trying to intimidate them into silence.

It's terrible when government does it, and not much better when other people do it.

Those on the political left are ignoring this important fact

They'll continue to. They don't want to give this tactic up. Too effective, still.
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By making people scared to voice their opinion if it goes against the progressive mantra using bully tactics and such, they have found a way to silence people without even getting the government involved. So they can yammer on about it "not being censorship" while they get the same end result of government censorship.

what bully tactics?
The right is the undesputed champion of supression.

30-40 years ago. Your side has now taken up the mantle. Congrats.

In denial much.
Nothing you've or other conservatives have presented even comes close to your fictional depiction of events.

 

[Valerie]

Not approval, just the ability to say what one thinks without fear of personal ruin.

Call me an asshole, thats fine. but when you try to ruin what I have, that's a problem.

That you can't see it is sad.

how does calling an asshole an asshole ruin said asshole?

how does calling a bigot a bigot ruin said bigot?

who has been ruined by being held accountable for themselves in the public sphere?

and HOW does private language have anything to do with being POLITICALLY anything?

your side continually fails when it comes to facts and specifics.

that's why you need to start a new thread on the same topic over and over again.

 

[daws101]

By making people scared to voice their opinion if it goes against the progressive mantra using bully tactics and such, they have found a way to silence people without even getting the government involved. So they can yammer on about it "not being censorship" while they get the same end result of government censorship.

That's the way freedom of speech works. How long have you been against that right?

That's never how freedom of speech works, and the fact that you are pretending that it is the case just goes to show how much of a biased tool you are.

That is exactly how freedom of speech has always worked. Your confusion is from the fact that your point of view has always been the majority until recently. The country has changed and you are finally getting a view from the other side. So sad for you. Get used to it.

So its about revenge then? Right? Figures.

Any my views have always been about freedom of expression, so you don't know what you are talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. You are free to disagree.

He seems to need to put words in other posters mouths and heads

 

[BULLDOG]

That's the way freedom of speech works. How long have you been against that right?

That's never how freedom of speech works, and the fact that you are pretending that it is the case just goes to show how much of a biased tool you are.

That is exactly how freedom of speech has always worked. Your confusion is from the fact that your point of view has always been the majority until recently. The country has changed and you are finally getting a view from the other side. So sad for you. Get used to it.

So its about revenge then? Right? Figures.

Any my views have always been about freedom of expression, so you don't know what you are talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. You are free to disagree.

He seems to need to put words in other posters mouths and heads

I think it's the first time he has had a realistic view of the way things have always been.

 

[daws101]

And I wouldn't think of issuing consequences if you said something I didn't like.

Too bad that courtesy won't be returned.
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They either really don't get it, or they do get it and have decided to ignore their own inherent thuggery.

Talk it up, boys. Doesn't mean it won't cost you. Free speech can be very expensive...

And here is the thuggery, right on time.

How is that fact thuggery?

If you can't or refuse to see it, or see it and agree with it but pretend not to, then I can't help you.

Dodge. if real thuggery was occurring there would be ample evidence to prove it.
Lazy much.

 

[Valerie]

You keep trying to whitewash what is happening by using sterile words like "consequences". Its similar to other sterile words used to cover up something you know deep down is wrong, but since it helps your side you try to rationalize it.

haven't you noticed how even the Republican party knows deep down how wrong trump's rhetoric is?

if and when the GOP nominates trump anyway, they will be guilty of doing that very thing. ^

 

[Mac1958]

So tempting to once again whip out my long, long list of honest liberals who admit this has gone too far.

But why bother? The PC Police won't read it, and they'll keep playing games.

Maybe later.


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[jwoodie]

I believe that freedom of speech is our most important Constitutional right and that political correctness is its greatest adversary. The question is, who among our Presidential candidates will be its greatest defender? The answer, obviously, is Donald Trump. You may not like his speech, but he is the embodiment of exercising that right. Ted Cruz makes good legal arguments, and the rest of the GOP candidates espouse conservative Constitutional principles, but Trump is the only one who puts his money where his mouth is. Of course this "offends" those who want to control your speech, your thoughts and your money. Isn't it time we finally tell these people to "fuck off?"

Aren't you saying "fuck off" right now? IMO, you're the one that's the enemy of free speech. You want the right to be an asshole without anyone having the right to point it out.

I placed that expression in quotation marks as a counterpoint to politically correct speech.

Whoosh...

 

[rightwinger]

I believe that freedom of speech is our most important Constitutional right and that political correctness is its greatest adversary. The question is, who among our Presidential candidates will be its greatest defender?

The answer, obviously, is Donald Trump. You may not like his speech, but he is the embodiment of exercising that right. Ted Cruz makes good legal arguments, and the rest of the GOP candidates espouse conservative Constitutional principles, but Trump is the only one who puts his money where his mouth is.

Of course this "offends" those who want to control your speech, your thoughts and your money. Isn't it time we finally tell these people to "fuck off?"

PC has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech

Freedom of speech allows you to be criticized for the things you say. Trump also uses his freedom to criticize others

Since when does trying to ruin someone equal criticizing them back?

Words have consequences...if what you say ends up ruining you then that is the price you pay

 

[Valerie]

So tempting to once again whip out my long, long list of honest liberals who admit this has gone too far.

But why bother? The PC Police won't read it, and they'll keep playing games.

Maybe later.


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the nebulous "this" having gone too far, as acknowledged by a list of whomever, is meaningless in the context of politics.

 

[rightwinger]

PC is freedom of speech. You people are a hoot.

why are you folks always so backwards

cold is hot

left is right

now pc is free speech

--LOL

PC is free speech

You say something that I find offensive, my freedom of speech says I get to say something about it

The problem is the metric is passing from saying something about it into doing something about it.

Our constitution allows us not just to voice opposition to what we oppose but also to do something about it

 

[Mac1958]