Friday will be a bad day to be hungry.

[Katzndogz]

Sounds like she could be a success but requires the motivation. Its a shame but people can be so talented and have so much to offer but prefer not to show the world their talents.

Why bother? It's hard to motivate yourself. It's even harder when you have nothing to lose.

Depending on expenses, sometimes I can understand why people stay on welfare. If they were paid more to work, they'd get a job.

Some single mums here stay on welfare because they won't earn enough with a full time job when you factor in the massive costs of childcare. I can understand that - you want to have as much money as possible to care for your kids.

Perhaps they should not have had so many children. We can bring up the woman suddenly widowed, or the hapless housewife who married and her husband left her for a younger trophy wife, we might take care of these unfortunates who are in a distinct minority. By far and away, the women with children they cannot care for are women that have never married and knew when they spread their legs that they could not care for the resulting children. Abortion is the same answer for reducing the number of poor, as execution is for reducing the number of prisoners thereby lowering the overall crime rate.

Women who have children they cannot care for, are very much like my steip granddaughter who has children as a means of increasing her income. If we did not have so many women who look at children as a means of increasing income and extending indolency, there would be MORE than enough money to care for the women and children who have no income because of circumstances beyond their control.

In his essay The Principle of Population, Robert Malthus said that if the wealthy gave the poor 18 pence a day for subsistence the poor would thereby able to live in a measure of comfort on that amount. If the amount was raised to five shillings, the poor could greatly improve their comfort level and both the quantity and quality of food on the table. But the poor would not do that. The poor would have more children until the five shillings provided no more improvement than 18 pence did. Moreover, paying the poor essentially to be poor has a negative effect that affects the whole society.

The receipt of five shillings a day, instead of eighteen pence, would make every man fancy himself comparatively rich, and able to indulge himself in many hours or days of leisure. This would give a strong and immediate check to productive industry; and in a short time, not only the nation would be poorer, but the lower classes themselves would be much more distressed than when they received only eighteen pence a day.

Malthus, An Essay on the Principle of Population, 1st Ed., Chapters III-V | Library of Economics and Liberty V

This is what welfare has done to us.

 

[Sunshine]

Exactly. America sucks at so much these days, there's no way to say we are number one with a straight face.

After which country should American model herself in order not to 'suck.'

America, circa 1940-70.

Back to pre civil rights days. In those days schools were segregated, children of single mothers were taken away and lived in the 'friendly homes' of America. Poor people worked and lived on the 'poor farms.' One road in Calloway County is still called 'Poor Farm Road.' I may drive back there today and see if there is a historic marker for it. Mental institutions were 'asylums' for the insane and there were no medicines for their illnesses. They were just locked away from polite society. There was no vaccine for polio and thousands of American children were crippled by that disease. It was during that time that America would destroy thousands of 'brown' people with her nuclear weapons, she would involve herself in an unwinnable war in Asia and draft thousands of young American men to be sent to their death in that war.

Yeah, let's go back to America, circa 1940 - 1970. So America won't suck anymore.

Somebody bookmark this post.

 

[peach174]

What a pompous ass Penn Gillette is.. beating up strawmen seems to be his forte.

NOBODY thinks its "compassion" to vote for a government that helps its CITIZENS.

Its enlightened SELF INTEREST to see to it that everybody in your nation is doing as well as possible.

That DOES seem to be the one thing most of our resident libertarians cannot quite fathom: the whole POINT of government is to help citizens because when you neighbors do well, so do YOU.

You are totally wrong.
Our Federal Government is suppose to defend the U.S.A. and protect our freedoms, not give out taxpayer money for social programs. That is up to the States, if the majority in that State wants to do so.
Most SNAP recipients will have to cut back on the Pop, candy and snacks, plus the lobsters, and expensive steaks.
No one is going to starve or die.
When you become dependent on Government programs you lose the ability to take care of yourself and your family.
This is a cut over 10 years and will not effect Seniors or School lunch programs.

About the November 1 SNAP/Food Stamp Benefit Reduction « Food Research & Action Center

In the last 4 years this program has gotten out of control and needed to be reined in.

 

[Sunshine]

What a pompous ass Penn Gillette is.. beating up strawmen seems to be his forte.

NOBODY thinks its "compassion" to vote for a government that helps its CITIZENS.

Its enlightened SELF INTEREST to see to it that everybody in your nation is doing as well as possible.

That DOES seem to be the one thing most of our resident libertarians cannot quite fathom: the whole POINT of government is to help citizens because when you neighbors do well, so do YOU.

You are totally wrong.
Our Federal Government is suppose to defend the U.S.A. and protect our freedoms, not give out taxpayer money for social programs. That is up to the States, if the majority in that State wants to do so.
Most SNAP recipients will have to cut back on the Pop, candy and snacks, plus the lobsters, and expensive steaks.
No one is going to starve or die.
When you become dependent on Government programs you lose the ability to take care of yourself and your family.
This is a cut over 10 years and will not effect Seniors or School lunch programs.

About the November 1 SNAP/Food Stamp Benefit Reduction « Food Research & Action Center

In the last 4 years this program has gotten out of control and needed to be reined in.

I am a senior and I don't get food stamps. I planned for retirement and didn't retire in debt.

 

[Sallow]

You know, if more thought like me relative to giving a chit about the rest of the world, or their neighbor for that fact, America would be better off.

Keep your own house in order and not worry about the Jones's

-Geaux

Yes..there was a Queen in France that thought that way too.

She said something about cake..and letting the poor eat that.

Didn't turn out to well.

Because she was part of a government that was taking money from people who had earned it. There was a big picture there and you don't have it.

You mean like CEOs, Hedge fund managers, Bankers, and Republican Senators?

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Sallow]

What a pompous ass Penn Gillette is.. beating up strawmen seems to be his forte.

NOBODY thinks its "compassion" to vote for a government that helps its CITIZENS.

Its enlightened SELF INTEREST to see to it that everybody in your nation is doing as well as possible.

That DOES seem to be the one thing most of our resident libertarians cannot quite fathom: the whole POINT of government is to help citizens because when you neighbors do well, so do YOU.

You are totally wrong.
Our Federal Government is suppose to defend the U.S.A. and protect our freedoms, not give out taxpayer money for social programs. That is up to the States, if the majority in that State wants to do so.
Most SNAP recipients will have to cut back on the Pop, candy and snacks, plus the lobsters, and expensive steaks.
No one is going to starve or die.
When you become dependent on Government programs you lose the ability to take care of yourself and your family.
This is a cut over 10 years and will not effect Seniors or School lunch programs.

About the November 1 SNAP/Food Stamp Benefit Reduction « Food Research & Action Center

In the last 4 years this program has gotten out of control and needed to be reined in.

How do you come up with this?

You should read our Constitution.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Government does a lot more than "defend the USA" and "protect our freedoms" (Whatever that means).

Have a gander.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes..there was a Queen in France that thought that way too.

She said something about cake..and letting the poor eat that.

Didn't turn out to well.

Because she was part of a government that was taking money from people who had earned it. There was a big picture there and you don't have it.

You mean like CEOs, Hedge fund managers, Bankers, and Republican Senators?

Physician, heal thyself.

Really do you really want to go there with that?

Chris Dodd - Countrywide Scandal, Mortgage Fraud and AIG Bonus Scandal
Care to hear about b franks the banking queen?

 

[peach174]

Yes..there was a Queen in France that thought that way too.

She said something about cake..and letting the poor eat that.

Didn't turn out to well.

Because she was part of a government that was taking money from people who had earned it. There was a big picture there and you don't have it.

You mean like CEOs, Hedge fund managers, Bankers, and Republican Senators?

Physician, heal thyself.

You forgot to add Democratic Senators, it's not just the Republicans.

 

[Trajan]

All of those countries have socialized medicine and don't let their hungry citizens, starve.

How many Americans have starved this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

This cuts going to hit 47 Million Americans.

That help?

47M Americans hit by food stamp cuts starting today

uhm yea that was established in the previous 21 pages of this thread

.....its approx. $11 per head, a deduction from the $112 gain obama has provided over what bush was providing....and the dems are part of the reason this deduction is taking place.

 

[Sallow]

Because she was part of a government that was taking money from people who had earned it. There was a big picture there and you don't have it.

You mean like CEOs, Hedge fund managers, Bankers, and Republican Senators?

Physician, heal thyself.

Really do you really want to go there with that?

Chris Dodd - Countrywide Scandal, Mortgage Fraud and AIG Bonus Scandal
Care to hear about b franks the banking queen?

Really?

A right wing hit site?

Sorry son..that's not news.

 

[Sunshine]

All of those countries have socialized medicine and don't let their hungry citizens, starve.

How many Americans have starved this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

This cuts going to hit 47 Million Americans.

That help?

47M Americans hit by food stamp cuts starting today

[MENTION=25283]Sallow[/MENTION]

You didn't answer my question. Please answer my question.

 

[Sallow]

How many Americans have starved this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

This cuts going to hit 47 Million Americans.

That help?

47M Americans hit by food stamp cuts starting today

uhm yea that was established in the previous 21 pages of this thread

.....its approx. $11 per head, a deduction from the $112 gain obama has provided over what bush was providing....and the dems are part of the reason this deduction is taking place.

Eyeah..if Democrats had only just voted to destroy ObamaCare this never would have happened!

Oh wait..yeah it would.

 

[novasteve]

Oh those precious Obama bucks

 

[Ernie S.]

To what end? we already spend more per student than anywhere else in the world (somewhere around 14k per student per year). Statistically, test scores are static regardless of how much money we spend, so throwing more money at schools isn't the answer. So what is it you want school to do that it isn't now?

Focus on education does not necessarily mean throw more money at it.
Spending less time on multiculturalism and more on Math, Science, History, the Constitution, you know, subjects that the kids may actually use after they leave the robot factory.

We graduate kids today that need a year of remedial work to begin college and we grant degrees 4 years later to people unprepared to function anywhere but academia.

We don't need to spend any more money, in fact we could get by with a whole lot less. We just need to spend it wisely.

 

[novasteve]

No we must teach faggotry in school. We need more people with degrees in transgender studies

 

[Trajan]

This cuts going to hit 47 Million Americans.

That help?

47M Americans hit by food stamp cuts starting today

uhm yea that was established in the previous 21 pages of this thread

.....its approx. $11 per head, a deduction from the $112 gain obama has provided over what bush was providing....and the dems are part of the reason this deduction is taking place.

Eyeah..if Democrats had only just voted to destroy ObamaCare this never would have happened!

Oh wait..yeah it would.

so they put themselves in a box, when they had all the cards and they blew it, your next excuse is...... what?

and the rest? their coverage went up $112 in 4 years, way ahead of inflation, now, they drop $11.....and?

 

[Katzndogz]

After which country should American model herself in order not to 'suck.'

America, circa 1940-70.

Back to pre civil rights days. In those days schools were segregated, children of single mothers were taken away and lived in the 'friendly homes' of America. Poor people worked and lived on the 'poor farms.' One road in Calloway County is still called 'Poor Farm Road.' I may drive back there today and see if there is a historic marker for it. Mental institutions were 'asylums' for the insane and there were no medicines for their illnesses. They were just locked away from polite society. There was no vaccine for polio and thousands of American children were crippled by that disease. It was during that time that America would destroy thousands of 'brown' people with her nuclear weapons, she would involve herself in an unwinnable war in Asia and draft thousands of young American men to be sent to their death in that war.

Yeah, let's go back to America, circa 1940 - 1970. So America won't suck anymore.

Somebody bookmark this post.

Lack of medicine, because those medicines had not been invented yet is hardly an indictment on the country.

Yes we locked away the mentally ill, too bad that the psychotropic drugs that "help" them today hadn't been invented at that time. Today, we "help" the mentally ill by graciously allowing them to die in the streets where they have the freedom to attack and kill innocent people.

Yes, we had poor people working on farms and in fields as a means of income. Indeed John Steinbeck wrote The Grapes of Wrath about one such family. Working was not shameful in those days. Now working is so shameful, we have to import people from other countries to perform that labor.

True schools were segregated. Has desegregation helped ANYONE? Tennessee is reinstituting segregation as a way to HELP students.

Tenn. high school separates students at lunchtime based on grades | Fox News

 

[Sallow]

How many Americans have starved this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

This cuts going to hit 47 Million Americans.

That help?

47M Americans hit by food stamp cuts starting today

[MENTION=25283]Sallow[/MENTION]

You didn't answer my question. Please answer my question.

I did answer it..and provided a link.

I can't help it if you don't like the answer.

What's next? You want me to change reality for you?

 

[Ernie S.]

I think he was reacting to the whole Australia war winning thing.

Even with a pos of shit president America is the greatest country, and the foreigners can kiss my American ass if they don't like it.

No, we're not. Haven't been for some time now.

WHAT???? By what criteria do you make that judgment? Where would you rather live?

 

[peach174]

What a pompous ass Penn Gillette is.. beating up strawmen seems to be his forte.

NOBODY thinks its "compassion" to vote for a government that helps its CITIZENS.

Its enlightened SELF INTEREST to see to it that everybody in your nation is doing as well as possible.

That DOES seem to be the one thing most of our resident libertarians cannot quite fathom: the whole POINT of government is to help citizens because when you neighbors do well, so do YOU.

You are totally wrong.
Our Federal Government is suppose to defend the U.S.A. and protect our freedoms, not give out taxpayer money for social programs. That is up to the States, if the majority in that State wants to do so.
Most SNAP recipients will have to cut back on the Pop, candy and snacks, plus the lobsters, and expensive steaks.
No one is going to starve or die.
When you become dependent on Government programs you lose the ability to take care of yourself and your family.
This is a cut over 10 years and will not effect Seniors or School lunch programs.

About the November 1 SNAP/Food Stamp Benefit Reduction « Food Research & Action Center

In the last 4 years this program has gotten out of control and needed to be reined in.

How do you come up with this?

You should read our Constitution.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Government does a lot more than "defend the USA" and "protect our freedoms" (Whatever that means).

Have a gander.

Where does it say, to make unfunded Social programs that gives money to the citizens who are poor? That is not included under General welfare.
What is listed in our Constitution is what the Feds can do and is the general welfare.

The majority of what is listed for the Federal Government is about defending this Country.

Protect our Freedoms means no political correctness.
No forcing Christians to pay for birth control.
No forcing Citizens to pay for Health Insurance.
No collection of information on innocent citizens who have not broken the law.
No Judges making laws.
No congressmen making political carriers.
Things like this, which our Government has been increasing over in the last 100 years.