From each according to his ability, to each according to his ability

[Care4all]

I honestly believe that anyone who thinks that our laws and regulations or the lack there of, are put or not put in to place for the benefit of the average "joe/josephine" to advance in our "system" here in the USA, is someone who is purposefully being blissfully ignorant.

Millions of dollars each year are spent by corporations and the very wealthy to LOBBY our Congress to put in to place laws that benefit THEM.....look how thick our tax code is with exceptions (deductions), where near 60% of Americans don't even fill out the long form...they have no deductions,

look at the regs that are put in or taken out...that is not for the average Joe, but things that benefit the wealthiest, those that have the millions to lobby congress....

our "system" is weighted IN THE FAVOR of those that have money, to make even more money.

That's just the way it is....sadly imo...

Care

 

[DiamondDave]

Our system is weighted towards those who actually earn something, who actually achieve, who do for themselves... AS IT SHOULD... those who do not take personal responsibility should not benefit from that choice...

This is not a goddamn bee hive or borg cube, care...

 

[Care4all]

Our system is weighted towards those who actually earn something, who actually achieve, who do for themselves... AS IT SHOULD... those who do not take personal responsibility should not benefit from that choice...

This is not a goddamn bee hive or borg cube, care...

you know, you keep regurgitating this jargon over and over again...

Who are these freeloaders or the people that do not try to take care of themselves and their own families...

are there a hundred million of these type of parasites that you are spouting off on? Is it ALL liberals as you seem to say?

What is it that drives you to such hatred for the average working man or woman and revere the wealthiest to where you believe that our laws and regulations should be put in their favor over the working man's favor?

There are no indications that you are ...but just out of curiosity, are you a Christian...you can answer this on PM if you like, so not to mess up this thread.....?(and i ask this for a reason, if you are a Christian, because a certain passage comes to mind that i think you should read.)

Care

 

[editec]

if Youre Excluded From Society Then You Are No Longer Bound By Its Laws...

bingo!

 

[DiamondDave]

you know, you keep regurgitating this jargon over and over again...

Who are these freeloaders or the people that do not try to take care of themselves and their own families...

are there a hundred million of these type of parasites that you are spouting off on? Is it ALL liberals as you seem to say?

What is it that drives you to such hatred for the average working man or woman and revere the wealthiest to where you believe that our laws and regulations should be put in their favor over the working man's favor?

There are no indications that you are ...but just out of curiosity, are you a Christian...you can answer this on PM if you like, so not to mess up this thread.....?(and i ask this for a reason, if you are a Christian, because a certain passage comes to mind that i think you should read.)

Care

People who still work minumum wage jobs at age 34 while supposedly trying to take care of their family...

there is NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY who by the age of 24 should ever be working a minimum wage job or taking government handouts... and whether you like to admit it or not, a LOT of people live off the tit of society looking for the handout

Not all liberals are society suckers... most liberals work and provide... but those who do suck off of society definitely vote liberal because they want that handout to continue... and the liberal guilt of the others keeps the vicious cycle of wealth redistribution going

And yes... I am a Christian... and I believe in helping others... but not BY FORCE OR GOVERNMENT MANDATE.. the CHOICE to VOLUNTARILY help others is within each of us individually

you want a certain passage... try this one, sparky

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

 

[Anguille]

People who still work minumum wage jobs at age 34 while supposedly trying to take care of their family...

there is NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY who by the age of 24 should ever be working a minimum wage job or taking government handouts... and whether you like to admit it or not, a LOT of people live off the tit of society looking for the handout

Not all liberals are society suckers... most liberals work and provide... but those who do suck off of society definitely vote liberal because they want that handout to continue... and the liberal guilt of the others keeps the vicious cycle of wealth redistribution going

And yes... I am a Christian... and I believe in helping others... but not BY FORCE OR GOVERNMENT MANDATE.. the CHOICE to VOLUNTARILY help others is within each of us individually

you want a certain passage... try this one, sparky

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

I thought Christianity was supposed to be all about giving to the poor but it sounds like your version of Christianity is all about starving the poor into submission.

 

[editec]

I honestly believe that anyone who thinks that our laws and regulations or the lack there of, are put or not put in to place for the benefit of the average "joe/josephine" to advance in our "system" here in the USA, is someone who is purposefully being blissfully ignorant.
Care

You know what they (meaning I, to be honest) say...willful ignorance is bliss.

Bear in mind how many people, some of them here, depend on the goodwill of the master class to survive.

Failure to toe the line can be hazardous to having employment.

And once you're safely caccooned as a servant, my oh my doesn't the house slave typically begin identifying with the master and feel so superior to the field slave?

This is nothing new, what we're going through now...

Let me remind you of what J.P Morgan once said:

"I have no fear of the working class because I know I can always hire one worker to kill the other."

That is as true today as it was in the late 19th century, folks.

 

[DiamondDave]

I thought Christianity was supposed to be all about giving to the poor but it sounds like your version of Christianity is all about starving the poor into submission.

Giving is of the individual, and the choice of the individual... not the mandate of a government...

Funny... never saw Christ giving a sermon on forced redistribution

 

[Care4all]

People who still work minumum wage jobs at age 34 while supposedly trying to take care of their family...there is NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY who by the age of 24 should ever be working a minimum wage job or taking government handouts... and whether you like to admit it or not, a LOT of people live off the tit of society looking for the handout

Not all liberals are society suckers... most liberals work and provide... but those who do suck off of society definitely vote liberal because they want that handout to continue... and the liberal guilt of the others keeps the vicious cycle of wealth redistribution going

And yes... I am a Christian... and I believe in helping others... but not BY FORCE OR GOVERNMENT MANDATE.. the CHOICE to VOLUNTARILY help others is within each of us individually

you want a certain passage... try this one, sparky

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

First, the passage that you quote is speaking to MEN....not women....not mothers whose job is to rear their children at home, being provided for by the man....or the father of their children. from what i have read, the largest group of people on Welfare are mothers trying to provide for their children...?



The passage i think you should read is James 2, noting the first part of the chapter on favoritism, 1-13 verses. Perhaps you haven't read this passage? Not certain?

James 2
Favoritism Forbidden
1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,"[e] and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

 

[Ravi]

There should be no one at the age of twenty four or above working at minimum wage...does that mean we should pay maids and waitresses more than we do? Or are you going to give all these jobs to our ever dwindling supply of children?

A society can not sustain itself without hordes of people doing menial, low paid jobs.

 

[Care4all]

Giving is of the individual, and the choice of the individual... not the mandate of a government...

Funny... never saw Christ giving a sermon on forced redistribution

He most certainly told them to "give unto Caesar, what is his" in taxes....and any taxes is redistribution of wealth, whether it be poor to rich or rich to poor

 

[Shogun]

Giving is of the individual, and the choice of the individual... not the mandate of a government...

Funny... never saw Christ giving a sermon on forced redistribution

Really? in accordance with his virtues you don't see the feeding 5k by gathered loaves and fishes as EXACTLY that?

What kind of profit margin should he have charged?

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

 

[DiamondDave]

He most certainly told them to "give unto Caesar, what is his" in taxes....and any taxes is redistribution of wealth, whether it be poor to rich or rich to poor

Nice try

Taxes are for funding governmental operations.... only in a socialist rule is it mandated for wealth redistribution

 

[Care4all]

Nice try

Taxes are for funding governmental operations.... only in a socialist rule is it mandated for wealth redistribution

hmmmmm, seems like you are writing something in to Jesus's words that were NEVER SAID....why is that?

 

[DiamondDave]

First, the passage that you quote is speaking to MEN....not women....not mothers whose job is to rear their children at home, being provided for by the man....or the father of their children. from what i have read, the largest group of people on Welfare are mothers trying to provide for their children...?



The passage i think you should read is James 2, noting the first part of the chapter on favoritism, 1-13 verses. Perhaps you haven't read this passage? Not certain?

Funny... I believe in equality....

You have a kid, you do whatever it takes to provide... it is not someone else's responsibility

You want my money to raise your kid, that kid best have my last name and live by my rules as my kids do

 

[DiamondDave]

hmmmmm, seems like you are writing something in to Jesus's words that were NEVER SAID....why is that?

Why not go into the definition of taxes and the definition of wealth redistribution....

again... rendering unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's does not imply forced wealth redistribution and does not imply socialist ideals

 

[Care4all]

Funny... I believe in equality....

You have a kid, you do whatever it takes to provide... it is not someone else's responsibility

You want my money to raise your kid, that kid best have my last name and live by my rules as my kids do

And what is your response to the first part of the chapter of James 2 on Favoritism to the wealthy as you subscribe?

btw, i only hope to help you by showing you this passage...not to condemn you for your thoughts, i can see how you have come to them.

Care

 

[DiamondDave]

There should be no one at the age of twenty four or above working at minimum wage...does that mean we should pay maids and waitresses more than we do? Or are you going to give all these jobs to our ever dwindling supply of children?

A society can not sustain itself without hordes of people doing menial, low paid jobs.

yeah... they don't make tips etc

If you are working a plain minimum wage job at age 24+ or trying to raise a family on minimum wage... you are certainly doing something wrong... hell, you even work for McDonalds that long and you will have raises and probably be assistant manager or whatever....

minimum wage was always intended as a starter wage... for those starting in the work force... as stated, anyone still making that later on has some serious personal issues and most probably some horrid choices/decisions in their life....

but that still don't make it someone else's mandated responsibility to hand them things they want or need

 

[Shogun]

Nice try

Taxes are for funding governmental operations.... only in a socialist rule is it mandated for wealth redistribution

no, he pretty much specifically said that the wealth of this world is not the point of your faith. The MONEYCHANGERS IN THE TEMPLE should have clued you in on that one.. talk about the ultimate regulation, eh?

jebus was awfully socialistic when feeding 5 thousand, eh?

 

[Shogun]

Funny... I believe in equality....

You have a kid, you do whatever it takes to provide... it is not someone else's responsibility

You want my money to raise your kid, that kid best have my last name and live by my rules as my kids do

oh how CHRIST like!






dogma junkies who eternally rationalize despite the point of their holy book crack me up.