General Powel: ****ALL 16**** Intel Agencies ***LIED*** to US

[ColonelAngus]

Yea, but...The Crusades happened, so....

 

[my2¢]

One study of the CIA's pre-war intelligence of 2002 concluded....

The full document allows for a comparison of the CIA's actual findings with both the Bush administration's pre-war claims, and later post-war assessments of Saddam's actual WMD capabilities.

In December, the RAND Corporation issued a report that stated the CIA assessment "contained several qualifiers that were dropped ... As the draft NIE went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly definitively."

Here's the full version of the CIA's 2002 intelligence assessment on WMD in Iraq

 

[francoHFW]

Ac

Iraq is an illustration of what happens when civilians pressure intelligence people for politically motivated conclusions. And that's what many people fear Trump will do

lol Why would you be afraid of that? Why aren't you upset about Obama using the intel services to sell fake news stories about Trump and Russia?

Actually it was the Russians who succeeded at selling those stories. Do try to keep up.

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ac

lol Why would you be afraid of that? Why aren't you upset about Obama using the intel services to sell fake news stories about Trump and Russia?

Actually it was the Russians who succeeded at selling those stories. Do try to keep up.

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

He did the same thing Nixon did, used our intel services to go after his political enemies. Obama clearly has no moral compass and no respect for the law or the country.

 

[Spare_change]

Ac

lol Why would you be afraid of that? Why aren't you upset about Obama using the intel services to sell fake news stories about Trump and Russia?

Actually it was the Russians who succeeded at selling those stories. Do try to keep up.

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

"SCANDAL FREE" ??!!??

What the hell are you smoking?

 

[IcebergSlim]

Not to YOU. I believe Putin is relishing this.

He is ex-KGB leadership, old-school Russian. It is not the people, most of the time, who are loud and arrogant you have to worry about - it's the quiet ones. Putin is not an 'Obama' nor a 'Trump' in regards to grandstanding. He feels superior and has indeed outplayed Obama at times. I believe he had no respect for Hillary but did realize her experience made her less preferable that Trump (to him).

I think he sees how jacked up the US is - like how divided our Intel is - and sees opportunities and 'smooth sailing' ahead.

Putin and Trump have common ground. They don't want needless conflict between their nations.

He might very well relish our misfortunes given his youth in the KGB, or maybe he realizes that the Cold War is over, and that he has new enemies today.

IMO, HIllary, despite her "experience" had a moronic view of the world, where she thought she could safely push around Russia like it was a defeated power, for political purposes.

Her "no fly zone" proposal was utter madness.

(in her defense, her idiocy in that regard, seems to be the Conventional Wisdom)

Tell me when, exactly, Russia was "rehabilitated", Useful Idiot.

"rehabilitated"?

That's your word, not mine.

IMO, our conflict with Russia ended, when they dropped their plans for conquering Western Europe and thus dominating the world.

That was the basis of the Cold War, and the end of that, ends the conflict.


It is sad that so many have accepted world wide conflict as normal.

when they dropped their plans for conquering Western Europe and thus dominating the world.


Is there a date involved?

Knock off your stupid shit and respond to my point if you can.

I'm trying to bring it into geocentric orbit, first.....

When you feel you are prepared for re-entry, I was a Russian Studies major during the early 80s......

 

[IcebergSlim]

The point is that the "intelligence community" LIES LIKE A RUG.


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It's so sad that calling someone a liar comes so easy to those who have no personal knowledge of the experience of those they attack. A lie is an attempt to mislead; when labeling a mistake in judgment, or an utterance which proves to be wrong a lie is a cop out, unless other evidence exists.

For example, the invasion of Iraq was predicated on its possession of WMD's by the Bush Administration, and yet, many of those who signed the Project for a New American Century's Statement of Principles in 1997 sought to engage Saddam, but no effort or discussion was articulated by the same people to engage N. Korea which was a greater threat to the US than was Iraq.

Two reasons stand out as an explanation:

1. Oil
2. The attempt on the life of George H. W. Bush

1. Oil.....which went to China
2. The attempt on the life of G.H.W.B failed
3. To create a vacuum in the Middle East that Obama’s friends in Iran could fill with radical Shiites
4. To spread Islam throughout Europe and the US by way of sending refugees into those countries

Sharia Law in America

No one will ever consider you to be a thinker, thought provoking or the least bit thoughtful.

The tragic thing is that Mud is NOT entirely incapable of thought.......

It's that thinking leads him places he doesn't want to be....

No, to places others don't want to be.

Political-Correctness specializes in squashing individual thought processes.

Isn't that exactly what labeling that with which you don't agree "Political Correctness" does?

 

[IcebergSlim]

Ac
Actually it was the Russians who succeeded at selling those stories. Do try to keep up.

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

"SCANDAL FREE" ??!!??

What the hell are you smoking?

If you eliminate all those which numerous redundant congressional investigations concluded were NOT scandals, what have you got left?

 

[IcebergSlim]

Cheney would have figured out a way to get us into Iraq regardless.

Iraq is an illustration of what happens when civilians pressure intelligence people for politically motivated conclusions. And that's what many people fear Trump will do

lol Why would you be afraid of that? Why aren't you upset about Obama using the intel services to sell fake news stories about Trump and Russia?

Why aren't you upset about Trump being a KGB mole?

 

[JQPublic1]

"If we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into Iraq. But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press


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President Trump

DO NO TRUST THE MOTHERFUCKERS

DRAIN THE SWAMP


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NOT SO FAST, BUB:

You damn Konservatives have to be watched constantly or you'll pull some half-truth out of the garbage can and throw it in our faces.

The problem with Americans is their short memory and you konservative slicksters are quick to capitalize on that. When Colin Powell made that statement"
"But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right," he had not based that statement on a personal intell briefing

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

To wit:
On April 23, 2006, CBS’s “60 Minutes” interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. “We continued to validate him the whole way through,” said Drumheller. “The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy.”

Now two former senior CIA officers have confirmed Drumheller’s account to me and provided the background to the story of how the information that might have stopped the invasion of Iraq was twisted in order to justify it. They described what Tenet said to Bush about the lack of WMD, and how Bush responded, and noted that Tenet never shared Sabri’s intelligence with then Secretary of State Colin Powell.According to the former officers, the intelligence was also never shared with the senior military planning the invasion, which required U.S. soldiers to receive medical shots against the ill effects of WMD and to wear protective uniforms in the desert.

. “The president had no interest in the intelligence,” said the CIA officer. The other officer said, “Bush didn’t give a fuck about the intelligence. He had his mind made up.”

 

[JQPublic1]

Powell was lied to by Bush so he could be the fall guy to broadcast the lie about Iraq's WMDs. It worked like a charm. That is why Powell resigned when he discovered he had been used.

 

[JQPublic1]

I have no use for 'powell' , just another lib in my opinion , just a comment !!

The point is that the "intelligence community" LIES LIKE A RUG.


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No, they did not lie. Bush and the republican Gang Of Plutocrats lied. The American intelligence community told Bush that Saddam Hussein had no WMDs. Bush and crew didn't want to hear that so they just neglected to tell key people like Powell. He would be the unwitting face of the Bush strategy to Invade Iraq. see post # 171

 

[francoHFW]

Ac
Actually it was the Russians who succeeded at selling those stories. Do try to keep up.

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

He did the same thing Nixon did, used our intel services to go after his political enemies. Obama clearly has no moral compass and no respect for the law or the country.

The hell he did. link? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[francoHFW]

Ac
Actually it was the Russians who succeeded at selling those stories. Do try to keep up.

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

"SCANDAL FREE" ??!!??

What the hell are you smoking?

Except in Dupe World. Google any of your phony scandals fact check, dupe.

 

[Spare_change]

Obama's corrupt use of our intel services have clearly destroyed your brain.

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

"SCANDAL FREE" ??!!??

What the hell are you smoking?

If you eliminate all those which numerous redundant congressional investigations concluded were NOT scandals, what have you got left?

Sell me some of that shit, okay???? It clearly warps your brain.

 

[francoHFW]

IT'S A CONSPIRACEE!!!!!!! Dupe.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just corrupt, incompetent leadership in the WH.

Corrupt based on what evidence? 8 scandal free years, except in hater dupe world?

"SCANDAL FREE" ??!!??

What the hell are you smoking?

If you eliminate all those which numerous redundant congressional investigations concluded were NOT scandals, what have you got left?

Sell me some of that shit, okay???? It clearly warps your brain.

Scandal free is what they say on BBC, Reuters, etc, dupe.

 

[there4eyeM]

And the extravagant waste of lives, military power, diplomatic status and vast amounts of treasure were all calculated to place the country in precisely the position where its only choices would serve the interests of the perpetrators.

I'm gonna have to ask you to elaborate on this....

Certain elements of the power élite learned a lesson when they used Reagan; commit the country in a big enough program and successors will have no choice. Part of that was doubling national debt. When the same group (in some cases, the very same people) got hold of power through the person of Bush II, they had everything within their power to 'buy the future' (see the scene from 'Chinatown'). This included a very well equipped, very expensive military apparatus all dressed up with no place to go. The "Founding Fathers" understood the dangers of a central authority possessing a standing army. The "W" administration had the political, financial and military opportunity to inflict their vision of the future on the rest of the world and did not hesitate to use it. Morals and ethics played into it not a whit. They used the diplomatic, military and monetary capital of the U.S. to place their 'ilk' ineluctably in control. We have now only the capacity to react to what they have done.

 

[Tehon]

And the extravagant waste of lives, military power, diplomatic status and vast amounts of treasure were all calculated to place the country in precisely the position where its only choices would serve the interests of the perpetrators.

I'm gonna have to ask you to elaborate on this....

Certain elements of the power élite learned a lesson when they used Reagan; commit the country in a big enough program and successors will have no choice. Part of that was doubling national debt. When the same group (in some cases, the very same people) got hold of power through the person of Bush II, they had everything within their power to 'buy the future' (see the scene from 'Chinatown'). This included a very well equipped, very expensive military apparatus all dressed up with no place to go. The "Founding Fathers" understood the dangers of a central authority possessing a standing army. The "W" administration had the political, financial and military opportunity to inflict their vision of the future on the rest of the world and did not hesitate to use it. Morals and ethics played into it not a whit. They used the diplomatic, military and monetary capital of the U.S. to place their 'ilk' ineluctably in control. We have now only the capacity to react to what they have done.

Obama had choices, he didn't have to continue the war in the ME covertly, he could have cleaned up the mess. Where were his morals?

 

[there4eyeM]

As an entirely entrenched product of the two party dictatorship, Obama effectively had very little room to maneuver. No defense of him or his administration is intended here.

 

[Freewill]

"If we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into Iraq. But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press


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President Trump

DO NO TRUST THE MOTHERFUCKERS

DRAIN THE SWAMP

While it's true that the intelligence community got some of the information wrong, it's also true that the Bush administration overstated information.

That being said, it's also true that Russia is an enemy of the United States. Trump and you are aiding the enemy.

What have they done to the US to make them an enemy?