God Bless Black Conservatives

[Foxfyre]

As much as I respect your ability to articulate your arguments, and their basic soundness, I think you're missing something in this case.

1. In those links posted, conservatives aren't treating black people as you claim they do. I appreciate that you don't want to believe that, but it isn't possible to refute when there it is plain and in the open.

2. The black experience in the U.S. goes beyond slavery, obviously, as you know, in that they were disenfranchised, subject to Jim Crow laws, subject to legally required discrimination, and racism is still alive today as I just showed in those links above.

3. It seems silly to believe that Democrats want to keep black people dependent on government. That's tin foil hat conspiracy talk. Democrats want to use government to assist black people (even if you think its misguided- it isn't cynical) and although the 1 percent that are what Ronald Reagan called, "welfare queens", black people are just as ambitious as any of us white people. To say that they are dependent on government would be perceived as insulting to black people. Its the same as saying, "If you, majority of black people who aren't conservative, didn't get welfare you would be forced to make something of your life, because you aren't inclined to do anything with your life otherwise.

4. Its also silly to think anyone is telling black people to hate white people. Perhaps black people are scared of white people, of police, of people they perceive as "red necks", and understandably considering their past experiences. Maybe some black people fear white people, just like some white people fear them. And that fear translates into hate. So "not getting over slavery" isn't understanding black peoples' perspective. And that comes across as insensitive and that is a reputation Republicans have among those who aren't Republican.

I don't know your ethnicity. I am black. Frankly, I always find it amusing that, seemingly, liberal white folks like to make it their "duty" to tell us "black folks" why we should "hate Massa".

Look, I gave up "hate" when I left Vietnam. Now, granted, it may not fit into the liberal lefts "plan" for me, but I'll continue to vote for the party that I feel is right for my God, my Country and my family.

The left hasn't fit that category (for me) since JFK.

I thought ethnicity didn't matter to conservatives?

I said nothing about black people hating massa. Don't misrepresent and also misunderstand my statement.

But that is the inference drawn from your longer post with all those links. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that is the way it looked to me and probably others of us who really do want to end racism--and my/our race or ethnicity really doesn't matter at all when it comes to that.

Maybe it does seem silly to you that we might think Democrats want to keep black people on the liberal government 'plantation', but it sure doesn't seem silly to me when I see ALL, and I do mean ALL, prominent conservative black people maligned, marginalized, mischaracterized, misrepresented, accused, and ridiculed by those on the Left, both black and white.

Yes prominent white conservatives receive much the same treatment, but its a whole different set of adjectives that are reserved for them. They are greedy, rich, racist, opportunists. Their black colleagues are "Uncle Toms", 'hanky heads', sell outs, a discredit to their race, ungrateful, or a joke. Nobody can tell me that there isn't a racist element in this.

 

[Flopper]

I'm blond hair, blue eyed. I'm also descended from the John Adams family. Note the one "d"... When I look at my past and the hate that liberals constantly pour on me it's sad. But when I hear black conservatives speak about the hatred they've endured from the lily white left as well as the black left, I realize how easy I've had it. 90% of blacks support dependency peddlers like Jesse Jackson and Obama. I feel like writing off the black community. But the 90% for dependency means there's 10% defying them, and they deserve our support and credit.

Black Conservatives had to recognize with an overpowering chorus that the chorus was wrong. Then they had to still advocate liberalism was wrong as they were personally attacked and every attempt was made to destroy them. I've never endured such a thing. Condie was called Aunt Jemima and barely conservative Colin Powell was called Uncle Tom. By the party that claims to support diversity. Yeah.

But the most vitriol went to Clarance Thomas. His crime? He said affirmative action was an insult, he can make it on his own. When leftist, obviously personally resentful Anita Hill accused him with not only no evidence but not even anyone who actually knew him and believed him capable of her accusations, it was accepted as fact.

So anyway,black conservatives, I would love to hear from you. We've heard endlessly from the black liberals. Even more from the lily white ones who love accusing us all of hating blacks because we don't think blacks should be treated differently. They won't shut up. I realize how easy I've had it. I'd just like to give you props. By name or not, well done. And godspeed.

- kaz

I would like to hear from black conservatives also

In the last election you accounted for 5% of the black vote. Why do you do your preaching on FoxNews? Their audience is already Conservative. What does preaching to the choir do for increasing GOP black representation ?

Why aren't they in black neighborhoods convincing blacks about how much Republican policies will improve their lives?

I too would like hear from all those black conservatives that are in favor of abolishing affirmative action, minimum wage, welfare programs, public education, unions, and civil rights legislation.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I don't know your ethnicity. I am black. Frankly, I always find it amusing that, seemingly, liberal white folks like to make it their "duty" to tell us "black folks" why we should "hate Massa".

Look, I gave up "hate" when I left Vietnam. Now, granted, it may not fit into the liberal lefts "plan" for me, but I'll continue to vote for the party that I feel is right for my God, my Country and my family.

The left hasn't fit that category (for me) since JFK.

I thought ethnicity didn't matter to conservatives?

I said nothing about black people hating massa. Don't misrepresent and also misunderstand my statement.

But that is the inference drawn from your longer post with all those links. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that is the way it looked to me and probably others of us who really do want to end racism--and my/our race or ethnicity really doesn't matter at all when it comes to that.

Maybe it does seem silly to you that we might think Democrats want to keep black people on the liberal government 'plantation', but it sure doesn't seem silly to me when I see ALL, and I do mean ALL, prominent conservative black people maligned, marginalized, mischaracterized, misrepresented, accused, and ridiculed by those on the Left, both black and white.

Yes prominent white conservatives receive much the same treatment, but its a whole different set of adjectives that are reserved for them. They are greedy, rich, racist, opportunists. Their black colleagues are "Uncle Toms", 'hanky heads', sell outs, a discredit to their race, ungrateful, or a joke. Nobody can tell me that there isn't a racist element in this.

And, at least to me, that is the crux of the matter. I truly believe that the left views themselves as participants in a sort of "societal" war against conservatives for what they view as the "soul of America".

In other words, in order for their view of a socialist utopia (for lack of a better term), they feel that they need gays, blacks, women, Latinos, pretty much every representation EXCEPT white men, to fall into lock step and follow along with their "enlightened" notions of social justice. They use these groups as a means to an end and, have been doing so for the last 40 or so years.

Minorities who question the motives of these enlightened, pseudo-intellectuals simply cannot be tolerated and they are singled out, harassed, belittled and, if possible, ruined in the political arena to show the rest that "free thought" will NOT be tolerated. One either engages in lockstep thought, or one is destroyed.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'm blond hair, blue eyed. I'm also descended from the John Adams family. Note the one "d"... When I look at my past and the hate that liberals constantly pour on me it's sad. But when I hear black conservatives speak about the hatred they've endured from the lily white left as well as the black left, I realize how easy I've had it. 90% of blacks support dependency peddlers like Jesse Jackson and Obama. I feel like writing off the black community. But the 90% for dependency means there's 10% defying them, and they deserve our support and credit.

Black Conservatives had to recognize with an overpowering chorus that the chorus was wrong. Then they had to still advocate liberalism was wrong as they were personally attacked and every attempt was made to destroy them. I've never endured such a thing. Condie was called Aunt Jemima and barely conservative Colin Powell was called Uncle Tom. By the party that claims to support diversity. Yeah.

But the most vitriol went to Clarance Thomas. His crime? He said affirmative action was an insult, he can make it on his own. When leftist, obviously personally resentful Anita Hill accused him with not only no evidence but not even anyone who actually knew him and believed him capable of her accusations, it was accepted as fact.

So anyway,black conservatives, I would love to hear from you. We've heard endlessly from the black liberals. Even more from the lily white ones who love accusing us all of hating blacks because we don't think blacks should be treated differently. They won't shut up. I realize how easy I've had it. I'd just like to give you props. By name or not, well done. And godspeed.

- kaz

I would like to hear from black conservatives also

In the last election you accounted for 5% of the black vote. Why do you do your preaching on FoxNews? Their audience is already Conservative. What does preaching to the choir do for increasing GOP black representation ?

Why aren't they in black neighborhoods convincing blacks about how much Republican policies will improve their lives?

I too would like hear from all those black conservatives that are in favor of abolishing affirmative action, minimum wage, welfare programs, public education, unions, and civil rights legislation.

OK

(1) I despise affirmative action.

(2) Minimum wage has never done a thing except help teenagers.

(3) Welfare should be a hand up for a brief period of time. Not for generations of families.

(4) Public Education was wonderful until teachers unions.

(5) Unions? I am a retired Teamster. I have never met a liberal teamster EXCEPT for the leadership.

(6) Civil Rights served to undo a wrong committed by a nation whose people came from nations where slavery was condoned and accepted as a societal norm.


Next?

 

[kaz]

An African-American with strong family values and solid work ethic is a Liberal's worst nightmare.

There are plenty of Liberal "African-Americans" with strong family values and a solid work ethic who vote democrat or Libertarian. My family is a prime example.

Since we're discussing fiscal issues, conservative = libertarian.

As for Democratic, I agree, but they'll get there. If you have a strong work ethic, regardless of your race, you will eventually realize the Democrats are not your friend. They confiscate and waste your money and reward people to not have a good work ethic with it. Democratic economic policy is MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.

 

[Foxfyre]

An expectation toward who from who based on what?

Do you think I expect Herman Cain to vote Democratic?

Try harder.

I think you should take your own advice.

Do you know why Herman Cain received such vitriol? It wasn't because he was a Republican, but because he was a Black Republican. In the liberal mind, Republicans are racists, benefiting only Whites (look at this board and read some of the comments by the liberals around here). As a result, any minority who dares vote for a Republican must be a "sell out", a "traitor" to their race or a self-loathing individual. Before you tell me how untrue this is, keep in mind two things; one, I'm Black and have heard it all before and, two, there is an ample amount of documented evidence online of the above accusations being levied against Black conservatives/Republicans. Funny enough, the accusations always seem to come from the left to the right; never the right to a left. I mean, how often do you see a Black Democrat get labeled as an Uncle Tom? Rarely, if ever. But how often do you see a Black Republican get labeled an Uncle Tom? Quite often, and usually by other Blacks.

Just because you deny it doesn't mean it's untrue. In the mind of a liberal, gays, women and Blacks should *never* vote Republican because Republicans "hate" them. When confronted with the fact that certain people don't think the way the liberal thinks they should think, then the liberal goes into attack and shame mode. We see it all the time. Just look at some of the attacks against Black Republicans; they really make you stop and think who the real racists are.

No, it's because he maligned Black people who vote Democrat with insulting blanket generalizations like "Blacks are on a plantation(democrat)" "Blacks are brainwashed into voting democrat." Add west, carson, and a few other "Black conservatives" who are popular amongst white conservatives who say the same insulting and inaccurate things about Black people.

Yes, I have seen this defense put forth almost word for word--probably from some prepared issued talking points document--defending those who would embrace a Barack Obama who continually reassures the black community of how unfairly they have been treated, how disadvantaged they are, how unfair it all is, how outrageous the disparities in income are, etc. etc. etc. But the talking point doesn't mentioned how under Obama polices, black unemployment and black poverty and back crime has increased and we can't really find a social or economic indicator that has improvedfor black Americans anywhere.

So Herman Cain tells the truth and he is 'insulting' despite the fact that under Obama policies, black unemployment is roughly double that of white people--something between 43 and 45% for black teens; despite the fact that black take home pay has gone down more than it has for white Americans, black teen pregnancy has been increasing, and black on black crime statistics continue to rise. But the overall black demographic overwhelmingly supports Obama and rejected all conservatives, including Herman Cain.

Sure doesn't sound like folks are thinking things through does it? Conservative black Americans all seem to know the score. But unfortunately, if we have to have a black demographic, conservative black Americans are in a distinct minority in that group. And that is a shame.

 

[kaz]

I'm blond hair, blue eyed. I'm also descended from the John Adams family. Note the one "d"... When I look at my past and the hate that liberals constantly pour on me it's sad. But when I hear black conservatives speak about the hatred they've endured from the lily white left as well as the black left, I realize how easy I've had it. 90% of blacks support dependency peddlers like Jesse Jackson and Obama. I feel like writing off the black community. But the 90% for dependency means there's 10% defying them, and they deserve our support and credit.

Black Conservatives had to recognize with an overpowering chorus that the chorus was wrong. Then they had to still advocate liberalism was wrong as they were personally attacked and every attempt was made to destroy them. I've never endured such a thing. Condie was called Aunt Jemima and barely conservative Colin Powell was called Uncle Tom. By the party that claims to support diversity. Yeah.

But the most vitriol went to Clarance Thomas. His crime? He said affirmative action was an insult, he can make it on his own. When leftist, obviously personally resentful Anita Hill accused him with not only no evidence but not even anyone who actually knew him and believed him capable of her accusations, it was accepted as fact.

So anyway,black conservatives, I would love to hear from you. We've heard endlessly from the black liberals. Even more from the lily white ones who love accusing us all of hating blacks because we don't think blacks should be treated differently. They won't shut up. I realize how easy I've had it. I'd just like to give you props. By name or not, well done. And godspeed.

- kaz

I would like to hear from black conservatives also

In the last election you accounted for 5% of the black vote. Why do you do your preaching on FoxNews? Their audience is already Conservative. What does preaching to the choir do for increasing GOP black representation ?

Why aren't they in black neighborhoods convincing blacks about how much Republican policies will improve their lives?

I too would like hear from all those black conservatives that are in favor of abolishing affirmative action, minimum wage, welfare programs, public education, unions, and civil rights legislation.

affirmative action - Blacks can't make it on their own, they need the bar lowered. I hear you, why would a conservative black be bothered by that condescension from the left?

minimum wage - I'll give you the 411 on this. The minimum wage is a hurdle, not a tide. Why would a black conservative think high unemployment is better than giving people a chance to work? What is particularly cold about the left on this is the 50% unemployment for black inner city youth. Who needs a job more than them? The left is heartless.

welfare programs - Who has advocated this? pulling stuff out your ass again

public education - again, who has advocated this? again pulled from your ass. There are those of us who would like to give people a ... wait for it ... choice. But ending public education is on no one's radar.

unions - again, pulled from your ass. conservatives want to remove the artificial power provided to unions, but no one has advocated abolishing them

and civil rights legislation - your ass must be developing some major hemorrhoids at this point. Libertarians are opposed to this undermining state rights, but we want a better, more effective solution, not to "abolish" civil rights.

 

[Flopper]

It's amazing, isn't it?

I've been black all my life. The ONLY people that I have EVER had to defend myself against were democrats. Their little minds simply cannot perceive the notion that I want no part of the "freedom" from America that they think I somehow "need".

I look at them as ignorant, small-minded people who hate America and everything she stands for and I rarely give them a passing thought.

I've said it since I was a young man and I say it to this day, my 68th birthday: Democrats are the most racist people in this country. Period.

You are not defending yourself here...you are attacking here. Don't you know that?

I take it that none of you have ever applied for welfare or food stamps because you would not be talking as if it was handed out at to anyone who just wanted them. Most people who do qualify don't go through the hell of filling out 35 pages of giving your grannie's bank statement. Getting a statement from your next door neighbor that you need them. Entitlements don't come on silver platters for the taking. I worked in social services welfare system. Everything has to be documented and the document documented.

Very true. Getting social services is not that easy. The people who administer most social services are state workers not federal. State laws and budgets differ greatly from state to state. For example, medical services for children may vary widely. I have a family member who is autistic and suffers from ADHD. Getting to see qualified people is not easy. It first requires an examination in a public health facility to determine if the current diagnosis is correct. Then you have to find a qualified person that will accept what the government agrees to pay. Your choice is limited and the location can be far from your home. For people with a number of kids and low paying jobs, it can be really hard.

 

[Foxfyre]

Almost every single day, 30-second ads are broadcast on all the popular channels here advertising food stamps, encouraging people to apply for them, and assuring them the process is not that difficult and there are people ready to help. Phone number and encouraging background music is provided.

 

[EriktheRed]

But whatever my life experiences are, they are my own. I don't want to be judged as being of any particular character or ability or as having any particular point of view because of where I live or where I go to church. I spent most of my life in a denomination that promoted extremely liberal views and that is not me at all. But they did not promote intentionally anti-patriotic, unjust, immoral or hateful views towards anybody, so I was able to stay with them for decades. (They did eventually become so off the wall and, in my opinion, harmfully liberal, I moved on.)

I was born into and grew up in a family and culture that didn't value higher education all that much. But because we were a great nation of unlimited opportunity at that time, I could and did choose to seek that on my own. I was born into and grew up in a family and community that had some pretty rigid ideas about what was and was not proper, what was and was not right to do. I had full choice, however, to choose to adopt some of that as my own value system. Most of it I did. Some of it I did not.

And I know because I know people who have done it, people who happen to be black who are born within a certain societal culture, can choose to break free when that culture limits their options, choices, and opportunities. But are they going to choose to do that when they are accused of being 'uncle Toms' or 'not being 'black' enough' or not being a credit to their race, etc. etc. etc. when they try? When those who could be their finest role models (some listed in my previous post) are ignored by the media and denigrated by many liberals as not being the kind of people that black people are supposed to be.

Who in the hell is anybody to tell anybody, black or white or Asian or Hispanic or Native American or any combination what he or she is supposed to be?

Nobody tells you how to vote or who you are supposed to be. You, and everyone else makes those decisions by themselves

But those decisions are based on your life experiences, current circumstances or whom you affiliate with. Those are your demographics

The issues that determine your vote may be dominated by the fact that you are a woman, they may be influenced by your race, religion or ethnicity, they may be influenced by your love of guns

Politicians will set agendas based on appealing to multiple demographics. Those who do it most successfully tend to win

And you can continue to support and defend those who divide people, pit groups against eachother, keep racism and government dependence based on skin color alive and well so that they can win elections. . . .

Or you can condemn that and refuse to support or take part in it any more.

That is also your choice.

It's also a choice to use pot/kettle arguments.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Conservatism is good for blacks simply because they need the family to compete within our system. Two parents need to be there to raise a child into a respectable adult.

The culture of gangs and violence can only be beat this way.

 

[rightwinger]

Almost every single day, 30-second ads are broadcast on all the popular channels here advertising food stamps, encouraging people to apply for them, and assuring them the process is not that difficult and there are people ready to help. Phone number and encouraging background music is provided.

Do you oppose food stamps?

 

[mamooth]

Wrong. I'm relating MY experiences. I take it that you would rather that I just "kept my mouth shut", and just "get in line", right?

This illustrates the Republican habit of tossing out the race/oppression card whenever it's convenient. Which would be all the time.

That habit is quite independent of color, of course. Republicans of all colors do it.

 

[LittleNipper]

I'm blond hair, blue eyed. I'm also descended from the John Adams family. Note the one "d"... When I look at my past and the hate that liberals constantly pour on me it's sad. But when I hear black conservatives speak about the hatred they've endured from the lily white left as well as the black left, I realize how easy I've had it. 90% of blacks support dependency peddlers like Jesse Jackson and Obama. I feel like writing off the black community. But the 90% for dependency means there's 10% defying them, and they deserve our support and credit.

Black Conservatives had to recognize with an overpowering chorus that the chorus was wrong. Then they had to still advocate liberalism was wrong as they were personally attacked and every attempt was made to destroy them. I've never endured such a thing. Condie was called Aunt Jemima and barely conservative Colin Powell was called Uncle Tom. By the party that claims to support diversity. Yeah.

But the most vitriol went to Clarance Thomas. His crime? He said affirmative action was an insult, he can make it on his own. When leftist, obviously personally resentful Anita Hill accused him with not only no evidence but not even anyone who actually knew him and believed him capable of her accusations, it was accepted as fact.

So anyway,black conservatives, I would love to hear from you. We've heard endlessly from the black liberals. Even more from the lily white ones who love accusing us all of hating blacks because we don't think blacks should be treated differently. They won't shut up. I realize how easy I've had it. I'd just like to give you props. By name or not, well done. And godspeed.

- kaz

OMG??? You must have missed FOXNEWS Hannity black conservative town meeting. I was disgusting to see blacks letting themselves be used by the Right. Why a black conservative town hall meeting anyway if not to have blacks put down other blacks? Minority liberals get it from right wing media and from ALL conservatives. You really think Thomas, Carson, Cain, Rice, Obama, etc got where they are without affirmative actions and other entitlements? When they get to the top they get uppity and forget how they got there and to hell with helping other black get there. How many Cosbys, Wests, Cains, Carsons,etc have you seen in black neighborhoods,etc talking UP to black young men and women?
Cosby talking about names black give their children and he made million of a name like Fat Albert.

The fact is that there are leaders and those who choose to be led. They come in all shapes sizes and colors. And yes, I feel that some are smart enough to take advantage of an education and there are others who throw every opportunity away and remain ignorant because of foolish choices.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Wrong. I'm relating MY experiences. I take it that you would rather that I just "kept my mouth shut", and just "get in line", right?

This illustrates the Republican habit of tossing out the race/oppression card whenever it's convenient. Which would be all the time.

That habit is quite independent of color, of course. Republicans of all colors do it.

and you think you assholes don't divide people and turn them against each other? Are you serious?

I just want blacks to wake up to their problems. They very well do have many...Gang culture has overtaken many of their children. Conservatism is the answer.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I would like to hear from black conservatives also

In the last election you accounted for 5% of the black vote. Why do you do your preaching on FoxNews? Their audience is already Conservative. What does preaching to the choir do for increasing GOP black representation ?

Why aren't they in black neighborhoods convincing blacks about how much Republican policies will improve their lives?

I too would like hear from all those black conservatives that are in favor of abolishing affirmative action, minimum wage, welfare programs, public education, unions, and civil rights legislation.

All they are going to offer is more trickle down economics and pick yourself up by the bootstraps

Do you think they will buy it?

Apparently black liberals don't. On purpose. Work is not part of their vocabulary. Is like trying to lift yourself up by the handle of a bucket you're standing in.

"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.

I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.'"

Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed. D.

 

[rightwinger]

I would like to hear from black conservatives also

In the last election you accounted for 5% of the black vote. Why do you do your preaching on FoxNews? Their audience is already Conservative. What does preaching to the choir do for increasing GOP black representation ?

Why aren't they in black neighborhoods convincing blacks about how much Republican policies will improve their lives?

I too would like hear from all those black conservatives that are in favor of abolishing affirmative action, minimum wage, welfare programs, public education, unions, and civil rights legislation.

affirmative action - Blacks can't make it on their own, they need the bar lowered. I hear you, why would a conservative black be bothered by that condescension from the left?

minimum wage - I'll give you the 411 on this. The minimum wage is a hurdle, not a tide. Why would a black conservative think high unemployment is better than giving people a chance to work? What is particularly cold about the left on this is the 50% unemployment for black inner city youth. Who needs a job more than them? The left is heartless.

welfare programs - Who has advocated this? pulling stuff out your ass again

public education - again, who has advocated this? again pulled from your ass. There are those of us who would like to give people a ... wait for it ... choice. But ending public education is on no one's radar.

unions - again, pulled from your ass. conservatives want to remove the artificial power provided to unions, but no one has advocated abolishing them

and civil rights legislation - your ass must be developing some major hemorrhoids at this point. Libertarians are opposed to this undermining state rights, but we want a better, more effective solution, not to "abolish" civil rights.

It is women who benefitted the most from affirmative action

I would like to see Conservative blacks go into black neighborhood supporting killing the minimum wage, eliminating anti-discrimination laws, abolishing union jobs, slashing welfare and then smiling and telling people......trust us, you will be better off in the end

 

[ScienceRocks]

I too would like hear from all those black conservatives that are in favor of abolishing affirmative action, minimum wage, welfare programs, public education, unions, and civil rights legislation.

affirmative action - Blacks can't make it on their own, they need the bar lowered. I hear you, why would a conservative black be bothered by that condescension from the left?

minimum wage - I'll give you the 411 on this. The minimum wage is a hurdle, not a tide. Why would a black conservative think high unemployment is better than giving people a chance to work? What is particularly cold about the left on this is the 50% unemployment for black inner city youth. Who needs a job more than them? The left is heartless.

welfare programs - Who has advocated this? pulling stuff out your ass again

public education - again, who has advocated this? again pulled from your ass. There are those of us who would like to give people a ... wait for it ... choice. But ending public education is on no one's radar.

unions - again, pulled from your ass. conservatives want to remove the artificial power provided to unions, but no one has advocated abolishing them

and civil rights legislation - your ass must be developing some major hemorrhoids at this point. Libertarians are opposed to this undermining state rights, but we want a better, more effective solution, not to "abolish" civil rights.

It is women who benefitted the most from affirmative action

I would like to see Conservative blacks go into black neighborhood supporting killing the minimum wage, eliminating anti-discrimination laws, abolishing union jobs, slashing welfare and then smiling and telling people......trust us, you will be better off in the end

They should go into those neighborhoods promoting hard work and family. This is what they need.

The victim mindset must end.

 

[Ernie S.]

Cain avoided and denied the civil right movement and so did his father. Called it causing trouble? Thie is a man that really hates himself and his blackness.


Herman Cain's Reasons For Avoiding The Civil Rights Movement Don't Make Sense
Herman Cain's Reasons For Avoiding The Civil Rights Movement Don't Make Sense

He is a man that took King's message to heart. Herman Cain is a smart man who has been quite successful in business. He has no reason to hate himself, nor dwell on his blackness.
He doesn't care what color his skin is. Why do you?

 

[Pheonixops]

An African-American with strong family values and solid work ethic is a Liberal's worst nightmare.

There are plenty of Liberal "African-Americans" with strong family values and a solid work ethic who vote democrat or Libertarian. My family is a prime example.

Since we're discussing fiscal issues, conservative = libertarian.

As for Democratic, I agree, but they'll get there. If you have a strong work ethic, regardless of your race, you will eventually realize the Democrats are not your friend. They confiscate and waste your money and reward people to not have a good work ethic with it. Democratic economic policy is MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.

Now, let's discuss this "conservative=libertarian" regarding fiscal issues. I have heard plenty of Libertarians slamming "conservative" republicans regarding fiscal issues. What changed fiscally except for the "Bush tax cuts" during the almost eight years the republican conservatives held both Houses and the Executive office? What was the result of that in 2007?

The people in my family who are Black vote democratic, they include teachers, a judge, lawyer, small business owner, truck driver, police officer, insurance company executive, oil company executive, etc. NO HANDOUTS, NO WELFARE, NO "PLANTATION", AND NO "BRAINWASHING". Myself, i voted for Gary Johnson, i regularly disagree with President Obama's policies when we discuss politics (Black family and friends alike), I don't get called a "sell out" etc. , I don't get a negative attitude. Why? because I discuss it in an intelligent and respectful manner without saying things about them that a White racist person would say.