God Bless Black Conservatives

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Am I the only one who hates the fact that things like race are even an issue? After all this time?
Shouldn't all of us, Democrats and Republicans and the rest of us, be above all this? Shouldn't we follow MLK's "content of our character" ideal?

I know in real life that's impossible. But I wish that was the case.

(Yeah, I don't have a lot to add to this, because I'm the wrong minority for the conversation )

Don't be afraid to engage in the discussion. Otherwise you embolden the lefts attemps to oppress political free speech.

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah but so is, White, Asian, Latino, etc.
The problem when you make race a demographic is that you also invite sterotyping into the mix.

"Oh, blacks are all going to vote democrat because none of them work and all live off of welfare."

Or, "Asians will all vote Democrat because they're intelligent and believe that we're the path to enlightenment."

Or, "Southerners will all vote Republican because they're unintelligent, high school dropouts!"

The list goes on. Many people can't separate race from stereotype. That's why black conservatives are looked at weirdly, or Asians who don't vote Dem (like me) are looked at weirdly.

You don't "make" something a demographic....it becomes one on its own

People will react and vote on certain issues based on certain life experiences, beliefs and affiliations. That may include race, age, economic status, geographic location and many other factors

A politician will gain or lose votes based on how his positions appeal to different demographics

 

[Glensather]

Don't be afraid to engage in the discussion. Otherwise you embolden the lefts attemps to oppress political free speech.

Alright, fine.
I'm pigeonholed here into voting for Democrat. That's what is expected for me. When I mentioned that I wasn't voting for Obama, people here were like "Wait, aren't Asians supposed to vote for him?"

No, no we're not. Although there is precedent (73% of Asians voted for Obama), I did not vote for either him or Mitt Romney (I went for the third option). Apparently this makes me dumber than the average Asian according to many Democrats, which is... well, hilariously racist.

You don't "make" something a demographic....it becomes one on its own

People will react and vote on certain issues based on certain life experiences, beliefs and affiliations. That may include race, age, economic status, geographic location and many other factors

A politician will gain or lose votes based on how his positions appeal to different demographics

But why race? I feel as if life experiences would have far more affect on how you vote rather than what color your skin is or how slanted your eyes are.

 

[Ava]

An African-American with strong family values and solid work ethic is a Liberal's worst nightmare.

Especially if he or she is a conservative, of which there seems to be, more and more.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is my observation that conservatives mostly see bright, intelligent, competent, capable, successful people who happen to be black.

Liberals mostly see black people who are incapable of being bright, intelligent, competent, capable, or successful with big government (i.e. 'Whitey's') help.

Until we, as a people, consider skin color of no more consequence than we do eye color or hair color, and treat everybody the same, racism will continue to be at or near the top of the rationale for almost all social programs, and liberals will continue to exploit the black demographic for their own purposes.

But to hear some conservative black voices:

Some quotations from conservatives who happen to be black and who are most scorned and demeaned and belittled by liberals who seem to hate them:

25) "A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." -- Larry Elder

24) "I’ve been to dozens of Tea Party rallies. I’ve given at least a half a dozen or more speeches. I have not yet to find the first racist comment or the first person who approaches me from a racist perspective. I will speak very clearly here. Racism is a part of a lot of things in our country. Good people are the predominant fact of our country. I simply don’t get it. There are good people and bad people in all organizations fundamentally; however, when you look at the basis of the Tea Party it has nothing to do with race. It has to do with an economic recovery. It has to do with limiting the role of our government in our lives. It has to do with free markets. How do you fight that? The only way you fight that is to create an emotional distraction called racism. It doesn’t have to be real. It can be rhetoric but it gets the media focusing on something other than the truth of why the Tea Party is resonating so well with the average person." -- Tim Scott

23) "Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot." -- Clarence Thomas

22) "They say African Americans. I say black people. I’ve only been to Africa once. I’ve been in America all my life!" -- Herman Cain

21) "As the old saying goes, 'money is power' and the more money the government takes, the more power it has over individuals." -- Angela McGlowan

20) "The government is not your salvation. The government is not your road to prosperity. Hard work, education will take you far beyond what any government program can ever promise." -- Mia Love

19) "Liberals worry that what's best for the individual might not be better for the public at large. But that philosophy assumes something vicious about each and every one of us. It assumes we only care about ourselves." -- Allen West

18) "Self esteem comes from achievements. Not from lax standards and false praise." -- Condi Rice

17) "If I have learned one thing from life, it is that race is the engine that drives the political Left. When all else fails, that segment of America goes to the default position of using race to achieve its objectives. In the courtrooms, on college campuses, and, most especially, in our politics, race is a central theme. Where it does not naturally rise to the surface, there are those who will manufacture and amplify it." -- Ward Connerly

16) "There is a simple maxim that I use to express this situation, 'when tolerance becomes a one way street, it leads to cultural suicide.'" -- Allen West

15) "Toure, I’ve seen hate up close. I know what it looks like. I’ve felt its hands on my skin, seen the look in its eyes, felt the burn of its words. It is deliberate and it is real. Racism is not disliking our black President because of his socialist leanings. Racism is the scar I carried near my lip for decades after one particularly harsh punch in the mouth from a kid screaming 'N*GGER!' at me while swinging away. Racism is that guy in the diner, the hoses and dogs turned on folks from my grandparents’ generation just looking to drink at a decent water fountain. When you accuse a person of racism, THAT is the legacy of hate you are laying at their feet. It’s every bit as heinous as accusing someone of being a child molester arbitrarily. When you accuse Mitt Romney and other conservatives like me of being racist based on no other proof besides the fact that we vehemently disagree with this President and his policies, you dilute the history and experiences of people like me. You cheapen that word – n*gger. You rob it of its true horror – a horror we should never forget or take for granted. Not only that, Toure; but you cheapen yourself. You make it clear to blacks like me that you, indeed have no clue in hell what real racism is or where it can be found." -- Kira Davis

14) "The right to do something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do." -- Michael Steele

13) "If you are explaining, you are losing." -- J.C. Watts

12) “When caring for your neighbor becomes a compulsory obligation imposed by government instead of voluntary, charity turns to confiscation and freedom to achieve to involuntary servitude. To liberals, compassion seems to be defined by how many people are dependent on the government; to conservatives, it’s defined by how many people no longer need help. One promotes dependence, the other freedom, responsibility and achievement.” -- Star Parker

11) “Since the social victim has been oppressed by society, he comes to feel that his individual life will be improved more by changes in society than by his own initiative. Without realizing it, he makes society rather than himself the agent of change. The power he finds in his victimization may lead him to collective action against society, but it also encourages passivity within the sphere of his personal life.” -- Shelby Steele

10) "Good motives aside, white condescension does more damage than good. White condescension says to a black child, 'The rules used by other ethnic groups don’t apply to you. Forget about work hard, get an education, posses good values. No, for you, we’ll alter the rules by lowering the standards and expecting less.’ Expect less, get less.” -- Larry Elder

9) "I don't believe in quotas. America was founded on a philosophy of individual rights, not group rights." -- Clarence Thomas

8) "The best way to help your neighbor is not to live off your neighbor." -- AlfonZo Rachel

7) "They said that I had sold out and (am an) Uncle Tom. And I said well, they deserve to have that view. But I have my thoughts. And I think they're race-hustling poverty pimps." -- J.C. Watts

6) "The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling." -- Thomas Sowell

5) "It’s often said that the Democrats fight 'for the little guy.' That’s true: liberals fight to make sure the little guy stays little! Think about it. What if all the little guys were to prosper and become big guys? Then what? Who would liberals pretend to fight for? If the bamboozlers fight for anything, it’s to ensure that the little guy stays angry at those nasty conservatives who are holding him down." -- Angela McGlowan

4) "We might think of dollars as being 'certificates of performance.' The better I serve my fellow man, and the higher the value he places on that service, the more certificates of performance he gives me. The more certificates I earn, the greater my claim on the goods my fellow man produces. That’s the morality of the market. In order for one to have a claim on what his fellow man produces, he must first serve him." -- Walter Williams

3) "We've become a culture where earning money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting it does. That is the essence of redistribution." -- Ken Blackwell

2) "Here’s Williams’ roadmap out of poverty: Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job; get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits." -- Walter Williams

1) "Weighing benefits against costs is the way most people make
decisions — and the way most businesses make decisions, if they want to stay in business. Only in government is any benefit, however small, considered to be worth any cost, however large." -- Thomas Sowell

 

[rightwinger]

Don't be afraid to engage in the discussion. Otherwise you embolden the lefts attemps to oppress political free speech.

Alright, fine.
I'm pigeonholed here into voting for Democrat. That's what is expected for me. When I mentioned that I wasn't voting for Obama, people here were like "Wait, aren't Asians supposed to vote for him?"

No, no we're not. Although there is precedent (73% of Asians voted for Obama), I did not vote for either him or Mitt Romney (I went for the third option). Apparently this makes me dumber than the average Asian according to many Democrats, which is... well, hilariously racist.

You don't "make" something a demographic....it becomes one on its own

People will react and vote on certain issues based on certain life experiences, beliefs and affiliations. That may include race, age, economic status, geographic location and many other factors

A politician will gain or lose votes based on how his positions appeal to different demographics

But why race? I feel as if life experiences would have far more affect on how you vote rather than what color your skin is or how slanted your eyes are.

Well, many peoples life experiences are based on race. They grow up in black or asian communities. They attend churches in those communities. They develop values and needs based a lot (not necessarily entirely) on those associations

 

[Foxfyre]

Don't be afraid to engage in the discussion. Otherwise you embolden the lefts attemps to oppress political free speech.

Alright, fine.
I'm pigeonholed here into voting for Democrat. That's what is expected for me. When I mentioned that I wasn't voting for Obama, people here were like "Wait, aren't Asians supposed to vote for him?"

No, no we're not. Although there is precedent (73% of Asians voted for Obama), I did not vote for either him or Mitt Romney (I went for the third option). Apparently this makes me dumber than the average Asian according to many Democrats, which is... well, hilariously racist.

You don't "make" something a demographic....it becomes one on its own

People will react and vote on certain issues based on certain life experiences, beliefs and affiliations. That may include race, age, economic status, geographic location and many other factors

A politician will gain or lose votes based on how his positions appeal to different demographics

But why race? I feel as if life experiences would have far more affect on how you vote rather than what color your skin is or how slanted your eyes are.

Well, many peoples life experiences are based on race. They grow up in black or asian communities. They attend churches in those communities. They develop values and needs based a lot (not necessarily entirely) on those associations

But whatever my life experiences are, they are my own. I don't want to be judged as being of any particular character or ability or as having any particular point of view because of where I live or where I go to church. I spent most of my life in a denomination that promoted extremely liberal views and that is not me at all. But they did not promote intentionally anti-patriotic, unjust, immoral or hateful views towards anybody, so I was able to stay with them for decades. (They did eventually become so off the wall and, in my opinion, harmfully liberal, I moved on.)

I was born into and grew up in a family and culture that didn't value higher education all that much. But because we were a great nation of unlimited opportunity at that time, I could and did choose to seek that on my own. I was born into and grew up in a family and community that had some pretty rigid ideas about what was and was not proper, what was and was not right to do. I had full choice, however, to choose to adopt some of that as my own value system. Most of it I did. Some of it I did not.

And I know because I know people who have done it, people who happen to be black who are born within a certain societal culture, can choose to break free when that culture limits their options, choices, and opportunities. But are they going to choose to do that when they are accused of being 'uncle Toms' or 'not being 'black' enough' or not being a credit to their race, etc. etc. etc. when they try? When those who could be their finest role models (some listed in my previous post) are ignored by the media and denigrated by many liberals as not being the kind of people that black people are supposed to be.

Who in the hell is anybody to tell anybody, black or white or Asian or Hispanic or Native American or any combination what he or she is supposed to be?

 

[Glensather]

I've found that here in the South, a lot of people here are good people, just ignorant to a degree. Their stereotypes about me are largely founded on things they hear, so they really don't know any better.

Take the small latino population here. It was expected that they would all vote Democrat, because that's what they do. So imagine the shock of this community (<15000 people) when it came out that every single one of them voted for Mitt Romney.

 

[Foxfyre]

I've found that here in the South, a lot of people here are good people, just ignorant to a degree. Their stereotypes about me are largely founded on things they hear, so they really don't know any better.

Take the small latino population here. It was expected that they would all vote Democrat, because that's what they do. So imagine the shock of this community (<15000 people) when it came out that every single one of them voted for Mitt Romney.

That is one of the foundations of keeping racism alive and well, I think. If a person happens to have black skin he or she is excepted to think, vote, feel, judge a certain way. Ditto if he or she happens to be of Hispanic heritage or is born Asian or American Indian. Or white for that matter.

Most conservatives don't want to make a policy distinction between groups even as they appreciate what different cultures bring to the table and can have as much fun as anybody participating in cultural festivals whether those be Ivory Gold Coast, Irish, Italian, Spanish, Brazilian, Jamaican or whatever part of the world a person identifies with as their 'roots'. But appreciating and enjoying a culture is a very different thing from an expectiation--even demand--that a person must emulate something based on his cultural roots or the color of his skin.

Conservatives mostly want policy that is beneficial for the largest group of human beings, regardless of skin color or ethnicity, on the principle that policy that respects the needs, hopes, choices, options, opportunities, and yearning for liberty of humans in general apply to all.

Again, when skin color is treated as of no more consequence than eye color or hair color, we will have eliminated the ugly spector of racism in this country. So long as Americans, black, white, or any other, demand that BLACK people (or any other demographic) be considered as a group/demographic, racism will remain alive and well and will be exploited by those who intend to profit from it to the detriment of those they demand stay on whatever social plantation they are assigned to.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

These attitudes are part of the reason mos black people don't vote republican:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-...vanced-human-rights-and-freedom-the-most.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-...nter-calls-for-killing-of-cracker-babies.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/284909-an-honest-conversation-about-race.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/285180-black-skin-privilege.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-badlands/285713-blacks-should-just-get-over-it.html

Quote: Originally Posted by deltex1
Half assed, half Neeeeeegro BHO compares himself to Lincoln...talk about delusions...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfgXmGWtMeo]CPAC Racism: Attendee Defends Slave Owners at Race Forum - YouTube[/ame]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...poDACw&usg=AFQjCNFy9-7B4ImvB_wZOIcDYK636JwlCA

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HsZ_4fZoU]Republican: My Own Party is Full of Racists - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmVCiuNH0c]Republicans Say The Most Racist Things - YouTube[/ame]

 

[kaz]

In the last election you accounted for 5% of the black vote. Why do you do your preaching on FoxNews?

The double standards of the left. Why don't you ask this about whites on MS-NBC or CNN? Why is this standard only applied to people you don't agree with.

And you might want to do some fact checking, lots of liberals watch Fox, Homey.

 

[rightwinger]

Alright, fine.
I'm pigeonholed here into voting for Democrat. That's what is expected for me. When I mentioned that I wasn't voting for Obama, people here were like "Wait, aren't Asians supposed to vote for him?"

No, no we're not. Although there is precedent (73% of Asians voted for Obama), I did not vote for either him or Mitt Romney (I went for the third option). Apparently this makes me dumber than the average Asian according to many Democrats, which is... well, hilariously racist.



But why race? I feel as if life experiences would have far more affect on how you vote rather than what color your skin is or how slanted your eyes are.

Well, many peoples life experiences are based on race. They grow up in black or asian communities. They attend churches in those communities. They develop values and needs based a lot (not necessarily entirely) on those associations

But whatever my life experiences are, they are my own. I don't want to be judged as being of any particular character or ability or as having any particular point of view because of where I live or where I go to church. I spent most of my life in a denomination that promoted extremely liberal views and that is not me at all. But they did not promote intentionally anti-patriotic, unjust, immoral or hateful views towards anybody, so I was able to stay with them for decades. (They did eventually become so off the wall and, in my opinion, harmfully liberal, I moved on.)

I was born into and grew up in a family and culture that didn't value higher education all that much. But because we were a great nation of unlimited opportunity at that time, I could and did choose to seek that on my own. I was born into and grew up in a family and community that had some pretty rigid ideas about what was and was not proper, what was and was not right to do. I had full choice, however, to choose to adopt some of that as my own value system. Most of it I did. Some of it I did not.

And I know because I know people who have done it, people who happen to be black who are born within a certain societal culture, can choose to break free when that culture limits their options, choices, and opportunities. But are they going to choose to do that when they are accused of being 'uncle Toms' or 'not being 'black' enough' or not being a credit to their race, etc. etc. etc. when they try? When those who could be their finest role models (some listed in my previous post) are ignored by the media and denigrated by many liberals as not being the kind of people that black people are supposed to be.

Who in the hell is anybody to tell anybody, black or white or Asian or Hispanic or Native American or any combination what he or she is supposed to be?

Nobody tells you how to vote or who you are supposed to be. You, and everyone else makes those decisions by themselves

But those decisions are based on your life experiences, current circumstances or whom you affiliate with. Those are your demographics

The issues that determine your vote may be dominated by the fact that you are a woman, they may be influenced by your race, religion or ethnicity, they may be influenced by your love of guns

Politicians will set agendas based on appealing to multiple demographics. Those who do it most successfully tend to win

 

[Foxfyre]

These attitudes are part of the reason mos black people don't vote republican:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-...vanced-human-rights-and-freedom-the-most.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-...nter-calls-for-killing-of-cracker-babies.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/284909-an-honest-conversation-about-race.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/285180-black-skin-privilege.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-badlands/285713-blacks-should-just-get-over-it.html

Quote: Originally Posted by deltex1
Half assed, half Neeeeeegro BHO compares himself to Lincoln...talk about delusions...

CPAC Racism: Attendee Defends Slave Owners at Race Forum - YouTube

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...poDACw&usg=AFQjCNFy9-7B4ImvB_wZOIcDYK636JwlCA

Republican: My Own Party is Full of Racists - YouTube

Republicans Say The Most Racist Things - YouTube

You have provided some excellent examples here of how some exploit racism through dishonest analogies, incorrect inferences, and downright dishonest captions.

Take the captions for the illustrations you linked for instance:
Holocaust - never forget.
Pearl Harbor - never forget.
The Titanic - never forget.
Racism/slavery - just get over it.

This is absolutely how the Left keeps the fires of racism hot and inescapable.

No Conservative says to anybody, white or black, just get over it re racism and slavery. It was the most single mind, fundamentally religious, and do-gooder conservatives who demanded an end to racism after all.

But re the Holocaust - never forget does not mean to hate Germans the rest of your life and demand that continue to genuflect and be sorry and pay restitution forever. It means to understand how such a thing can happen and determine that it never be allowed to happen again. Certainly Jewish people have prospered and, of all people of the world, have contributed more to advancement of good things for humankind than any other specific culture can claim. Certainly modern Germans are not responsible for what their grandparents did to the Jews.

Re the Titanic - never forget does not mean to hate ship builders and trans Atlantic shipping corporation for all eternity. It means that we need to heed the advice of engineers and not ignore a plea for help. And shipping companies are not obligated to pay restritution for a bad thing 101 years ago.

Re Pearl Harbor - never forget does not mean to hate Japanese for all generations to come. Japan became one of our strongest allies and they really do not harbor any desire to bomb us now. But it means that we need to always be conscious of those who would harm us, and no to be caught unawares. If we had taken that more to heart, perhaps there would not have been a 9/11. And the modern Japanese owe us absolutely nothing at all because of Pearl Harbor.

Re slavery - nobody in America that I know of, not even the KKK, wants to return to slavery or the pre-civil rights era. But neither is any black person in America subjected to slavery by law these days. And black men like Walter Williams acknowledge that as terrible as slavery was and as cruel as it was and as indefensible as it was, he personally benefitted. He has prospered and enjoyed a great life because he is an American descended from those somebody dragged over here on a slave ship. In other words, none of us owe him anything other than respect as a self-reliant human being and American citizen.

You can listen to those who want to keep slavery alive and well and keep black people concious of how disadvantaged and incapable they are because their ancesters were slaves. You can keep them in the slavery of government dependence. . . .or. . . .

You can treat black people as intelligent, capable, and citizens worthy of respect as human beings.

Most conservatives choose the latter. Most liberals demand modern government slavery to be the norm.

 

[Mr. H.]

An African-American with strong family values and solid work ethic is a Liberal's worst nightmare.

Right....that's why we elected one......twice.

His wife is a single mother and he never held down a real job in his life.

 

[Foxfyre]

Well, many peoples life experiences are based on race. They grow up in black or asian communities. They attend churches in those communities. They develop values and needs based a lot (not necessarily entirely) on those associations

But whatever my life experiences are, they are my own. I don't want to be judged as being of any particular character or ability or as having any particular point of view because of where I live or where I go to church. I spent most of my life in a denomination that promoted extremely liberal views and that is not me at all. But they did not promote intentionally anti-patriotic, unjust, immoral or hateful views towards anybody, so I was able to stay with them for decades. (They did eventually become so off the wall and, in my opinion, harmfully liberal, I moved on.)

I was born into and grew up in a family and culture that didn't value higher education all that much. But because we were a great nation of unlimited opportunity at that time, I could and did choose to seek that on my own. I was born into and grew up in a family and community that had some pretty rigid ideas about what was and was not proper, what was and was not right to do. I had full choice, however, to choose to adopt some of that as my own value system. Most of it I did. Some of it I did not.

And I know because I know people who have done it, people who happen to be black who are born within a certain societal culture, can choose to break free when that culture limits their options, choices, and opportunities. But are they going to choose to do that when they are accused of being 'uncle Toms' or 'not being 'black' enough' or not being a credit to their race, etc. etc. etc. when they try? When those who could be their finest role models (some listed in my previous post) are ignored by the media and denigrated by many liberals as not being the kind of people that black people are supposed to be.

Who in the hell is anybody to tell anybody, black or white or Asian or Hispanic or Native American or any combination what he or she is supposed to be?

Nobody tells you how to vote or who you are supposed to be. You, and everyone else makes those decisions by themselves

But those decisions are based on your life experiences, current circumstances or whom you affiliate with. Those are your demographics

The issues that determine your vote may be dominated by the fact that you are a woman, they may be influenced by your race, religion or ethnicity, they may be influenced by your love of guns

Politicians will set agendas based on appealing to multiple demographics. Those who do it most successfully tend to win

And you can continue to support and defend those who divide people, pit groups against eachother, keep racism and government dependence based on skin color alive and well so that they can win elections. . . .

Or you can condemn that and refuse to support or take part in it any more.

That is also your choice.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Don't be afraid to engage in the discussion. Otherwise you embolden the lefts attemps to oppress political free speech.

Alright, fine.
I'm pigeonholed here into voting for Democrat. That's what is expected for me. When I mentioned that I wasn't voting for Obama, people here were like "Wait, aren't Asians supposed to vote for him?"

No, no we're not. Although there is precedent (73% of Asians voted for Obama), I did not vote for either him or Mitt Romney (I went for the third option). Apparently this makes me dumber than the average Asian according to many Democrats, which is... well, hilariously racist.

You don't "make" something a demographic....it becomes one on its own

People will react and vote on certain issues based on certain life experiences, beliefs and affiliations. That may include race, age, economic status, geographic location and many other factors

A politician will gain or lose votes based on how his positions appeal to different demographics

But why race? I feel as if life experiences would have far more affect on how you vote rather than what color your skin is or how slanted your eyes are.

You were called ignorant by "many" Democrats because you are an Asian who did not vote for Obama? Is that what you are claiming?

 

[rightwinger]

But whatever my life experiences are, they are my own. I don't want to be judged as being of any particular character or ability or as having any particular point of view because of where I live or where I go to church. I spent most of my life in a denomination that promoted extremely liberal views and that is not me at all. But they did not promote intentionally anti-patriotic, unjust, immoral or hateful views towards anybody, so I was able to stay with them for decades. (They did eventually become so off the wall and, in my opinion, harmfully liberal, I moved on.)

I was born into and grew up in a family and culture that didn't value higher education all that much. But because we were a great nation of unlimited opportunity at that time, I could and did choose to seek that on my own. I was born into and grew up in a family and community that had some pretty rigid ideas about what was and was not proper, what was and was not right to do. I had full choice, however, to choose to adopt some of that as my own value system. Most of it I did. Some of it I did not.

And I know because I know people who have done it, people who happen to be black who are born within a certain societal culture, can choose to break free when that culture limits their options, choices, and opportunities. But are they going to choose to do that when they are accused of being 'uncle Toms' or 'not being 'black' enough' or not being a credit to their race, etc. etc. etc. when they try? When those who could be their finest role models (some listed in my previous post) are ignored by the media and denigrated by many liberals as not being the kind of people that black people are supposed to be.

Who in the hell is anybody to tell anybody, black or white or Asian or Hispanic or Native American or any combination what he or she is supposed to be?

Nobody tells you how to vote or who you are supposed to be. You, and everyone else makes those decisions by themselves

But those decisions are based on your life experiences, current circumstances or whom you affiliate with. Those are your demographics

The issues that determine your vote may be dominated by the fact that you are a woman, they may be influenced by your race, religion or ethnicity, they may be influenced by your love of guns

Politicians will set agendas based on appealing to multiple demographics. Those who do it most successfully tend to win

And you can continue to support and defend those who divide people, pit groups against eachother, keep racism and government dependence based on skin color alive and well so that they can win elections. . . .

Or you can condemn that and refuse to support or take part in it any more.

That is also your choice.

If you support gun rights aren't you dividing people?
If you support increasing retirement benefits are you pitting the old against the young?

Every political position has those it helps and those it hurts. That is not pitting groups against eachother but acknowledging the needs of one group that may be at the expense of another. You can't make all of the people happy all of the time

 

[JustSomeGuy]

I'm just going to say that anyone who asserts that there isn't, at the very least, an expectation that you're supposed to vote Democratic if you're, say, Black is either a liar or a liberal (and most likely both).

 

[LoneLaugher]

An expectation toward who from who based on what?

Do you think I expect Herman Cain to vote Democratic?

Try harder.

 

[RDD_1210]

An African-American with strong family values and solid work ethic is a Liberal's worst nightmare.

Right....that's why we elected one......twice.

His wife is a single mother and he never held down a real job in his life.

So now you have a problem with single moms? Tell me more.