GOP turning "American helping American" into Socialism - Is that a national scandal?

[Steinlight]

Not to be too facile, but if these Americans could delay gratification and make rational instead of impulsive choices, they wouldn't be poor.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.

Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.

If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".

People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.

Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.

Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.

I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.

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Something tells me you won't see this type of behavior at the Democratic National Convention. The sad part is that the amount of wealth redistributed from Blue donor States to Red welfare States is way beyond the cost of welfare. Of course, Red States being saddled with 150 years of failed conservative policies doesn't help. Must be hard being a member of a party that's 90% white. A party that supports failed policies that have been proven again and again not to work. In fact, Red States are trying to lure liberals to come to their state and work and start businesses. They don't want to invest in their own people. And obviously, for good reasons.

yea you said this before about Texas and California.....and when i told you the reason 90% of the Companies are leaving California and,it has nothing to do with Rick Perry recruiting anyone since they were doing it long before he came here....you did what you always do when you get proven wrong...act like it was never posted or you suddenly...."vanish".....

 

[RandallFlagg]

The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.

Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.

If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".

People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.

Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.

Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.

I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.

CNN Camerawoman "Not Surprised At All" By Peanut-Throwing Incident At Republican Presidential Convention

Republican Attendees Threw Nuts At Black CNN Camerawoman, Called Her An 'Animal'

Something tells me you won't see this type of behavior at the Democratic National Convention. The sad part is that the amount of wealth redistributed from Blue donor States to Red welfare States is way beyond the cost of welfare. Of course, Red States being saddled with 150 years of failed conservative policies doesn't help. Must be hard being a member of a party that's 90% white. A party that supports failed policies that have been proven again and again not to work. In fact, Red States are trying to lure liberals to come to their state and work and start businesses. They don't want to invest in their own people. And obviously, for good reasons.

Yeah, you're probably right. Do me a favor...look up the 69 DNC in Chicago - then come back and tell me how "great" you guys are.....but then again, I'm sure those "peanuts" just MIGHT have put someone's eye out.

 

[Avatar4321]

Who truly cares and helps for the poor: The person who expects the government to help them? Or the person who gets up off there butt and works to help those less fortunate?

 

[AntiParty]

The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.

Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.

If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".

People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.

Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.

Great post.

We The People made a pact long ago called, WE THE PEOPLE.

This doesn't mean we can ignore the "sloth/lazy" abusing the system.

I support the needy but don't support the lazy leechers. I'll support a blind man/woman financially through taxation. I'm A Proud American That Will Love To. And if the blind person wants a beer? I'll pay for it.

This is not to be confused with the picture Fox News is painting of all taxation. They are showing 5-6 video's of leechers and painting all tax recipients as greedy takers. And they wonder why their tactics aren't working.

 

[AntiParty]

Who truly cares and helps for the poor: The person who expects the government to help them? Or the person who gets up off there butt and works to help those less fortunate?

Who helped the poor before Government? Christians. Are we a Christian nation?

The entire Christian base is based on treating others like you want to be treated, basic equality. In fact every religion is based on equality.

Again, there is a difference between the poor and the leechers.

 

[dblack]

We The People made a pact long ago called, WE THE PEOPLE.

Yes. It was called the Constitution.

 

[Claudette]

Why don't you share some examples of other places that have no welfare or "social bullshit" that has resulted in their poor people discovering prosperity.

I'm sure your list of examples will be riveting.

When you ignore this request or reply with a lame excuse why you refuse to share even one example, then we'll know have proven just how far out of whack your warped view really is.

WTF?

seriously; are you saying nobody from a country that doesnt have welfare ever found prosperity? that only help from the Nanny State can lead to prosperity?

and conversely you seem to be saying then that there are no tragic stories of the devastating effects of the pandering welfare state?

Not at all what I'm saying, but please feel free to argue against that point anyway if that's the best you can do.

Claudette seems to be under the misguided and selfish assumption that removing welfare and social safety nets will result in prosperity for the poor. I'm asking for societies where this has happened. I'm sure she is basing her opinion on something that has happened in reality and not just speaking out of her ass. So let's see the examples of where this has been shown to work.

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Your full of shit RD.

I don't see the poor as victims like you do. I don't feel its my duty to bankroll their lives like you do so I'm misguided and selfish? In a pigs eye.

As for prosperity for the poor? I could give shit one. If the poor want to prosper then the ball is in their court. They need to get off their asses, asume responsibility for their lives and make it happen. People do it all the time. No reason the poor can't and I'm speaking as one of those poor. I made it happen so can others.

Its people like you who want to "take care" of the poor who are clueless. The more you do for them the more they will expect you to do.

Catch a clue RD your one of the idiots who think that safety net is wonderful. All it is is a trap for the poor. A trap they will never get out of as long as its there. They see no reason to leave a life that pays the rent. Buys the food and pays for the medical. Its a trap they get into and have no reason to leave.

 

[zeke]

Its called stupidity and a road to an easy way of life for all the freeloaders in America.

There is an easy way. Do away with Welfare and all that other social bullshit brought to you by the Democratic party of America.

You'd be surprised how quickly someone can take care of themselves when the free ride comes to a screeching halt. You'd be surprised how quickly they can take care of themselves when they have to.

Now where is that fuck head that was gonna take me to school for lying about the fact that some of you right wing whack jobs want to eliminate welfare?

Was it that JC dude? Whoever it was, they weren't gonna let that go. LMAO

Hey, in the Republican world, when someone writes "Do away with welfare and all that other social bullshit......", what does that really say? Does it really say "do away with welfare" or is that a secret code?

Dude, if you are gonna call me a liar, at least catch me in a lie.

Or shut the fuck up.

 

[zeke]

I hate that there is a need for welfare. Hate that people work the "welfare system" like they do. Hate that my tax dollar goes to lots of things I hate.

But I hate to tell you Claudette, welfare isn't going to be done away with. Unless your kind is taking over.
Which i doubt.

who is saying we should eliminate welfare?

No one of any value.

Another lie by a poster who was caught red handed lying. And no, Zeke...I will not let it go...for you to make believe you are something you are not so you can "validate" your sentiments is...well...as low as one can get.

Hello jar head. Found your post where you accused me of lying. Can you read very well?
Read that highlighted sentence in the post above from Claudette. The sentence I responded to.

See if you can tell me what it says. Make sure I won't "let it go".

And then you tell Claudette that she is "no one of any value".

Claudette, you gonna take that shit?

 

[zeke]

Jar head. I gotta go to work. Sorry I missed trashing your sorry ass for calling me a liar. We will take it up later.

 

[Claudette]

I hate that there is a need for welfare. Hate that people work the "welfare system" like they do. Hate that my tax dollar goes to lots of things I hate.

But I hate to tell you Claudette, welfare isn't going to be done away with. Unless your kind is taking over.
Which i doubt.

who is saying we should eliminate welfare?

No one of any value.

Another lie by a poster who was caught red handed lying. And no, Zeke...I will not let it go...for you to make believe you are something you are not so you can "validate" your sentiments is...well...as low as one can get.

Hello jar head. Found your post where you accused me of lying. Can you read very well?
Read that highlighted sentence in the post above from Claudette. The sentence I responded to.

See if you can tell me what it says. Make sure I won't "let it go".

And then you tell Claudette that she is "no one of any value".

Claudette, you gonna take that shit?

Of course I think Welfare and all that social bullshit should take a hike.

I see no reason to bankroll someones life for em.

If you do then by all means whip out your wallet and checkbook and have at it. Funny how none of you social welfare idiots ever have an answer to that one. Your okay as long as everyone is forced to support the system. If it were just you idiots I doubt you'd be in favor of that "safety net" because you'd all go broke supporting it. You'd sure feel good about yourselves though even as your bank accounts took a godawfull hit. Oh and don't expect a thankyou from those on Welfare cause baby you ain't gonna get it. After all they expect you to do the "right thing."

But then your another dogooder like RD who thinks that safety net is wonderful. You don't see it as the trap that it is. A trap those in it have no reason to ever leave.

To bad if you don't like my take on thing. I could give shit one.

 

[zeke]

Claudette, it was the like minded Jarhead that claimed that you were of no value.

And your opinion of what welfare represents, well you know what they say about opinions.

But I never said you were of no value. Like your buddy Jarhead did. Take it up with him. Unless you agree with him.

 

[Claudette]

Claudette, it was the like minded Jarhead that claimed that you were of no value.

And your opinion of what welfare represents, well you know what they say about opinions.

But I never said you were of no value. Like your buddy Jarhead did. Take it up with him. Unless you agree with him.

Your right. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

JH and you are entitled to yours just as I'm entitled to mine.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.

Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.

If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".

People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.

Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.

Great post.

We The People made a pact long ago called, WE THE PEOPLE.

This doesn't mean we can ignore the "sloth/lazy" abusing the system.

I support the needy but don't support the lazy leechers. I'll support a blind man/woman financially through taxation. I'm A Proud American That Will Love To. And if the blind person wants a beer? I'll pay for it.

This is not to be confused with the picture Fox News is painting of all taxation. They are showing 5-6 video's of leechers and painting all tax recipients as greedy takers. And they wonder why their tactics aren't working.

great post?....Dean will support the "lazy leechers" because he will say....who is to say they are "leechers"?......and Dean would make the blind guy pay for the beer and take some of the change given back to the guy.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

WTF?

seriously; are you saying nobody from a country that doesnt have welfare ever found prosperity? that only help from the Nanny State can lead to prosperity?

and conversely you seem to be saying then that there are no tragic stories of the devastating effects of the pandering welfare state?

Not at all what I'm saying, but please feel free to argue against that point anyway if that's the best you can do.

Claudette seems to be under the misguided and selfish assumption that removing welfare and social safety nets will result in prosperity for the poor. I'm asking for societies where this has happened. I'm sure she is basing her opinion on something that has happened in reality and not just speaking out of her ass. So let's see the examples of where this has been shown to work.

3

Your full of shit RD.

I don't see the poor as victims like you do. I don't feel its my duty to bankroll their lives like you do so I'm misguided and selfish? In a pigs eye.

As for prosperity for the poor? I could give shit one. If the poor want to prosper then the ball is in their court. They need to get off their asses, asume responsibility for their lives and make it happen. People do it all the time. No reason the poor can't and I'm speaking as one of those poor. I made it happen so can others.

Its people like you who want to "take care" of the poor who are clueless. The more you do for them the more they will expect you to do.

Catch a clue RD your one of the idiots who think that safety net is wonderful. All it is is a trap for the poor. A trap they will never get out of as long as its there. They see no reason to leave a life that pays the rent. Buys the food and pays for the medical. Its a trap they get into and have no reason to leave.

they will get out of it as long as they know it only lasts x-amount of time.....if they dont....then they have to understand they are now on their own....

 

[RDD_1210]

who is saying we should eliminate welfare?

No one of any value.

Another lie by a poster who was caught red handed lying. And no, Zeke...I will not let it go...for you to make believe you are something you are not so you can "validate" your sentiments is...well...as low as one can get.

Hello jar head. Found your post where you accused me of lying. Can you read very well?
Read that highlighted sentence in the post above from Claudette. The sentence I responded to.

See if you can tell me what it says. Make sure I won't "let it go".

And then you tell Claudette that she is "no one of any value".

Claudette, you gonna take that shit?

Of course I think Welfare and all that social bullshit should take a hike.

I see no reason to bankroll someones life for em.

If you do then by all means whip out your wallet and checkbook and have at it. Funny how none of you social welfare idiots ever have an answer to that one. Your okay as long as everyone is forced to support the system. If it were just you idiots I doubt you'd be in favor of that "safety net" because you'd all go broke supporting it. You'd sure feel good about yourselves though even as your bank accounts took a godawfull hit. Oh and don't expect a thankyou from those on Welfare cause baby you ain't gonna get it. After all they expect you to do the "right thing."

But then your another dogooder like RD who thinks that safety net is wonderful. You don't see it as the trap that it is. A trap those in it have no reason to ever leave.

To bad if you don't like my take on thing. I could give shit one.

Still waiting for examples from you of countries that have no safety net or welfare like you propose and have a lower rate of poverty than we have here.

You know, when you advocate for something it kind of helps to have some support to back up what you are claiming.

 

[Claudette]

Hello jar head. Found your post where you accused me of lying. Can you read very well?
Read that highlighted sentence in the post above from Claudette. The sentence I responded to.

See if you can tell me what it says. Make sure I won't "let it go".

And then you tell Claudette that she is "no one of any value".

Claudette, you gonna take that shit?

Of course I think Welfare and all that social bullshit should take a hike.

I see no reason to bankroll someones life for em.

If you do then by all means whip out your wallet and checkbook and have at it. Funny how none of you social welfare idiots ever have an answer to that one. Your okay as long as everyone is forced to support the system. If it were just you idiots I doubt you'd be in favor of that "safety net" because you'd all go broke supporting it. You'd sure feel good about yourselves though even as your bank accounts took a godawfull hit. Oh and don't expect a thankyou from those on Welfare cause baby you ain't gonna get it. After all they expect you to do the "right thing."

But then your another dogooder like RD who thinks that safety net is wonderful. You don't see it as the trap that it is. A trap those in it have no reason to ever leave.

To bad if you don't like my take on thing. I could give shit one.

Still waiting for examples from you of countries that have no safety net or welfare like you propose and have a lower rate of poverty than we have here.

You know, when you advocate for something it kind of helps to have some support to back up what you are claiming.

I think you should go back and reread your posts there RD. I do believe you or one of the other posters who were equating prosperity and the lack of safety nets. Not me.

In fact heres part of your post:

Claudette seems to be under the misguided and selfish assumption that removing welfare and social safety nets will result in prosperity for the poor. I'm asking for societies where this has happened. I'm sure she is basing her opinion on something that has happened in reality and not just speaking out of her ass. So let's see the examples of where this has been shown to work.

What you posted was your THOUGHTS and INTERPRITATIONS of what I said there RD. Not mine because I could care less. Its sure not my responsibility to make sure everyone prospers.

The poor don't seem to prosper much with those safety nets either. They are still poor and still being bankrolled by someone elses money.

What I'm advocating is getting rid of welfare. Thats my opinion and I doubt I need anyones support for that opinion.

If there were no Welfare then folks will have to take care of themselves. Just like they did in the 90's and before LBJ"s war on poverty, In the 90's welfare took big cuts and folks were kicked off. Guess what. Nobody starved. People got jobs and they all survived just fine although I'm sure many of them weren't exactly happy about having to work for a living.

 

[rdean]

Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.

I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.

CNN Camerawoman "Not Surprised At All" By Peanut-Throwing Incident At Republican Presidential Convention

Republican Attendees Threw Nuts At Black CNN Camerawoman, Called Her An 'Animal'

Something tells me you won't see this type of behavior at the Democratic National Convention. The sad part is that the amount of wealth redistributed from Blue donor States to Red welfare States is way beyond the cost of welfare. Of course, Red States being saddled with 150 years of failed conservative policies doesn't help. Must be hard being a member of a party that's 90% white. A party that supports failed policies that have been proven again and again not to work. In fact, Red States are trying to lure liberals to come to their state and work and start businesses. They don't want to invest in their own people. And obviously, for good reasons.

Yeah, you're probably right. Do me a favor...look up the 69 DNC in Chicago - then come back and tell me how "great" you guys are.....but then again, I'm sure those "peanuts" just MIGHT have put someone's eye out.

1969? When conservative in the Democratic Party were called "Dixie crats"? It's OK. They all left and joined the GOP.

 

[rdean]

Who truly cares and helps for the poor: The person who expects the government to help them? Or the person who gets up off there butt and works to help those less fortunate?

Depends on how you define help. Just giving them something isn't help. Look at how much Blue States give to Red States. And still, even a state like Kentucky, 90% white, is still a disaster. They may have an occasional Democratic governor, but they are a true conservative state.