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you have no point. You have hate. You hate that someone doesn't agree with you. boohoo!!!! take your money and go help the 47%, leave us alone and let us take care of what we want to take care of. Go feel good about yourself, don't be a loser complainer your whole life.So what or who do you call the 47%?Avatar - Still waiting for your response. Your hypocrisy is on full display for everyone to see. This is your chance to face reality.
Thanks for proving my point.
She said...A few things regarding what I put in bold...
1) Where does she say it will lead to prosperity for the poor?
"You'd be surprised how quickly someone can take care of themselves when the free ride comes to a screeching halt. You'd be surprised how quickly they can take care of themselves when they have to."
Is this where to tell me she didn't mean it to sound like the poor will be better off if you take away their assistance?
2) How is it selfish to prefer to give money to a charity of YOUR choice compared to government giving your money to charity of ITS choice?
It's not selfish to give to charity. It is selfish to advocate taking away a safety net that many people need because you are under the false assumption that they are all just milking the system.
People have survived for thousands of years prior to a "safety net" existing. They will continue to survive for thousands of years after so called safety nets cease.
you're correct as far as your statement goes; b ut it doesnt go anywhere. it's irrelevant. what is your point? that it is the government's job to pay your mortgage, car payment and medical expenses?
look if everyone is paying a tax to help those who get laid off , disaster hits...an illness an injury whatever....then if it happens to you,AND IT CAN....you are getting something back that you paid into to help for a while until you can get your shit together....but it has to be understood.....its only going to last so long....Unemployment,Welfare whatever....only so long then its gone....no extensions.....its finished.....the end .....
oh boy; a master of the obvious.. why dont you go cry?
your attempts to place yourself on a high moral horse are lame
The dems only care about one thing, themselves! Never forget that. They give two shi----ts about the poor. Why do you think they want GOP money? They won't use their own. Hypocrits everyone of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!They thinks its everyones DUTY to help the poor and if you don't agree your a heartless asshole.
Personally I could give fuck one about the poor.
If you don't want to be poor, get off your ass and make it happen. Stop depending on others to bankroll your life for you. Take charge of your life. People do it all the time.
Hell. I've had times in my life where I didn't have two nickles to rub together yet I've never taken a dime of taxpayer money. I've worked two and three jobs to make ends meet. I never expected help from the govt nor did I want it.
These poor people and all the dogooders can kiss my ass.
they don't care about the poor, they just drag them out to use when needed..same with black people...the house them in literal war zones , give them a check and then it's out site out of mind until they need to use their skin color..and can crow how much more the Democrats care...it's sad this day and age people still fall for this cheap crap they sling
Let me ask you, why are you so concerned about someone who differs from you on this subject? You want to help, good for you, if I don't, I don't, why does that bother you?I can't even read a thread this long, not on this topic, so someone may have already raised this point, but I'd argue that the people advocating for the welfare state are the most responsible for equating "american helping american" with socialism. They give the genuine desire to help the poor a bad name by insisting that it can only happen via coercive government mandate.
She said...
"You'd be surprised how quickly someone can take care of themselves when the free ride comes to a screeching halt. You'd be surprised how quickly they can take care of themselves when they have to."
Is this where to tell me she didn't mean it to sound like the poor will be better off if you take away their assistance?
It's not selfish to give to charity. It is selfish to advocate taking away a safety net that many people need because you are under the false assumption that they are all just milking the system.
People have survived for thousands of years prior to a "safety net" existing. They will continue to survive for thousands of years after so called safety nets cease.
Fear of Hunger Stalks Many Elderly - NYTimes.com
The other cities included Columbus, Ohio, where 44 percent of old people said they worried about food or went hungry, and Coachella, Calif., where the figure was 67 percent. The report found that those most at risk tended to be low-income people, women, people without freezers and people suffering from two or more health problems that make eating difficult.
The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.
Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.
If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".
People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.
Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.
My point is why does it bother people what other people think or do? So what if someone equates American helping American as socialism. It is in the sense of this thread. I feel genuinely bad that poor people are genuinely manipulated by the Dems. It's sad. That doesn't mean I owe them anything. Nothing. It is who they vote for and idolize. let them that want them have them. Pay for them, feed them all of that.Let me ask you, why are you so concerned about someone who differs from you on this subject? You want to help, good for you, if I don't, I don't, why does that bother you?I can't even read a thread this long, not on this topic, so someone may have already raised this point, but I'd argue that the people advocating for the welfare state are the most responsible for equating "american helping american" with socialism. They give the genuine desire to help the poor a bad name by insisting that it can only happen via coercive government mandate.
It doesn't. I'm not sure what your point is.
I hate that there is a need for welfare. Hate that people work the "welfare system" like they do. Hate that my tax dollar goes to lots of things I hate.
But I hate to tell you Claudette, welfare isn't going to be done away with. Unless your kind is taking over.
Which i doubt.
who is saying we should eliminate welfare?
No one of any value.
Another lie by a poster who was caught red handed lying. And no, Zeke...I will not let it go...for you to make believe you are something you are not so you can "validate" your sentiments is...well...as low as one can get.
exactly; the Left are lying morons who create a false premise that misrepresents the other side's position; then insists on building a narrative off their own lies.
My point is why does it bother people what other people think or do? So what if someone equates American helping American as socialism. It is in the sense of this thread. I feel genuinely bad that poor people are genuinely manipulated by the Dems. It's sad. That doesn't mean I owe them anything. Nothing. It is who they vote for and idolize. let them that want them have them. Pay for them, feed them all of that.Let me ask you, why are you so concerned about someone who differs from you on this subject? You want to help, good for you, if I don't, I don't, why does that bother you?
It doesn't. I'm not sure what your point is.
The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.
Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.
If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".
People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.
Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.
Drugs have eaten his brain away to mere existence. Thinking is hard for him...but reactionary reflexes apparently are still intact.The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.
Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.
If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".
People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.
Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.
Lol, you are a stupid stupid man.
The patronizing bullshit from the left is unbelievable. They treat minorities like pets and throw them treats and expect obedience in return. God forbid a conservative black person rises to power without their approval. It shows it can be done so they must be destroyed.Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.
I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.
The patronizing bullshit from the left is unbelievable. They treat minorities like pets and throw them treats and expect obedience in return. God forbid a conservative black person rises to power without their approval. It shows it can be done so they must be destroyed.Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.
I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.
Forget their approval...they didn't get there with their "HELP"...so yes then they are destroyed.The patronizing bullshit from the left is unbelievable. They treat minorities like pets and throw them treats and expect obedience in return. God forbid a conservative black person rises to power without their approval. It shows it can be done so they must be destroyed.Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.
I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.
What you don't seem to realize is that poverty create problems for everyone. It's not just poor people that are effected. Rising poverty rates threatens the middle class which is the engine of economic growth and it lowers our productivity as a nation. Poverty is a major factor in almost every social problem in America and those problems cost this nation dearly.They thinks its everyones DUTY to help the poor and if you don't agree your a heartless asshole.
Personally I could give fuck one about the poor.
If you don't want to be poor, get off your ass and make it happen. Stop depending on others to bankroll your life for you. Take charge of your life. People do it all the time.
Hell. I've had times in my life where I didn't have two nickles to rub together yet I've never taken a dime of taxpayer money. I've worked two and three jobs to make ends meet. I never expected help from the govt nor did I want it.
These poor people and all the dogooders can kiss my ass.
When you get a base of followers who quite frankly aren't very intelligent and you compound that with the fact that they are gullible and anything but open minded, you get the modern day republican base. This is why you hear words like socialism, communism and comparisons made to Hitler on a regular basis. These terms have no relation whatsoever to modern day democats/liberals but these people have been convinced, rather easily, that liberals are actually their enemy and are somehow related to these boogeyman terms they throw around and clearly don't understand.
you get the same shit with a lot of the Far Left....look at Hungover....ever read that assholes threads?....in many of his threads he sounds just like the people on the right he cant stand....
What is the far left? How do you distinguish far left from just the regular left. I'd love to know who you would consider far left and who is just left.
The GOP leadership has worked tirelessly to make their base believe American helping American is "socialism" and should be stopped. The very people helped by Social Security and Medicare believe getting government help is the road to disaster for this country. The GOP's misinformation techniques have worked so well, their base doesn't even understand that Medicare and Social Security are government programs and getting rid of government programs means disaster for them.
Republicans say we should look at Blue States to understand how all the welfare has hurt those states. Only the dollar drain from Blue States is going to Red States. The amount of money difference Red States receive from Blue States pales in comparison to what those in Blue States who are on welfare receive and is staggering.
If Red States were so self sufficient, they wouldn't be working overtime trying to lure Blue State workers to their states. They would train their own people. Only that would be (gasp) "socialism".
People don't want charity. Republicans insist they are better people because they imagine they give more to charity. Remember that story Paul Ryan plagiarized? About the little boy who did't want to be given school lunch? Well that's the thing. A little charity does nothing. Without the drain of money from Blue States to Red States, Blue States would have balanced budgets and would still be helping Blue State Citizens. It's because of that aid Blue States are able to give to their citizens that Red States are able to bleed money from those Blue States who earned it.
Perhaps we need some tough love and stop funding Red States. The only problem with that is the GOP leadership would simply let their middle class and poor die. We know that from the millions left off Medicare Expansion. That will probably cost 10,000 deaths a year in Red States.
Bud - the only "national scandals" are the ones created by YOUR party and YOUR president.
I've been a conservative since the early 60s, middle class all my life and black. I have never "starved", gone without education, or went without Healthcare. Your theory is BS - just like your liberal horsecrap.
... The sad part is that the amount of wealth redistributed from Blue donor States to Red welfare States is way beyond the cost of welfare. Of course, Red States being saddled with 150 years of failed conservative policies doesn't help.
