Guide To The Liberal Mind

[Boatswain2PA]

I agree. They say, "don't judge Christianity by the members or churches. Just focus on the main message and don't let all that other stuff distract you.

Really? I think the first thing I do when deciding if I want to join a club is get to know the members. And if they are all lying ignorant fucks, I'm not going to join.

What if they said "We are all sinners, just like you....but we are trying to do better." Would you join them them?

My guess is no. Am I wrong??

 

[Derideo_Te]

To write a book on the mind, don't you have to have one first?

Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.

But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.

The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else. Make sure to use lots of big words so they''ll be impressed.

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

You must be talking about Muslims. They are the extreme right.

Not all Muslims are on the extreme right, just as not all Christians are on the extreme right either.

However all of those on the extreme right of whatever creed do have issues with education and low self esteem as witnessed by the similarity in their ranting against "liberals" and "elites".

 

[Derideo_Te]

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else. Make sure to use lots of big words so they''ll be impressed.

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

This kills me and then they wonder why America cant compete with others who get free college and healthcare. Sorry, they dont want us to compete with those places in the realm of new ideas they want us to compete with China for lower wages

Yeah, millions want to move there.

Yeah because moving there is the point of my post

So you want us to be like them?

I doubt that. Democrats raise taxes and wages, institute rigid regulations designed to increase overhead and they blame the GOP for chasing companies out of the country because of the global economic environment they created.

Wow! Who would have guessed that Democrats had the power to regulate the "global economic environment they created"?

 

[AmericanFirst]

There are different kinds of liberalism. One should not assume that those who consider themselves to be liberals agree on everything, or even most things.

I am liberal on most economic issues. I believe that the economic policies of John Maynard Keynes ended the Great Depression, and that America's retreat from Keynesian economic policies, which began during the Reagan administration, is responsible for the fact that recessions have gotten deeper and longer, that we have what are called "jobless recoveries," and that economic growth increasingly goes to capital, rather than labor.

I believe that man made global warming is a serious problem that can only be curbed by restraints on economic growth and private property rights.

At the same time, I have always disliked the sexual revolution. I believe that it is the reason for the increase in single parent homes, and that children raised to adulthood by both parents living together in matrimony tend to do much better in life.

I am disappointed with the results of the civil rights legislation, and have come reluctantly do believe that racial differences in ability levels and behavior are significant, innate, and the result of evolving in response to different population pressures for thousands of years.

I believe that nature is more important than nurture, that crime is a genetic inclination, and that the criminal justice system should get and keep criminals off of the streets, and out of the gene pool.

Generally speaking, I am reactionary on social issues, but I am in favor of legal abortion. I agree with the book Freakonomics that the increase in abortion that followed the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision is largely responsible for the decline in the rate of violent crime that has happened after 1991. Since the Roe decision, many more potential criminals have been aborted than potential nice guys.

Otherwise you are a socialist.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why are you guys so blind when it comes to US Muslims? You told the same lies after 9-11. "Muslims NEVER condemn terrorism"

CAIR Condemns ISIS Violence and Rejects Calls to Join Extremists Fighting Abroad - CAIR

American Muslims view the actions of ISIS as un-Islamic and morally repugnant. No religion condones the murder of civilians, the beheading of religious scholars or the desecration of houses of worship. We condemn the actions of ISIS and reject its assertion that all Muslims are required to pay allegiance to its leader.
"CAIR strongly urges American imams and other community leaders to continue to speak out against American Muslims traveling abroad to join extremist groups and sectarian militias. While ISIS uses romanticized imagery in its propaganda materials, its human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented."

I never said never. However I do not see it being widespread. The VAST majority of Christian groups castigate the Westboro klan. The same cannot be said for Islamic groups and ISIS, CAIR, Hamas, etc.

CAIR is the unindicted co-conspirator to the to various terror-finance schemes? They talk about peace, but then help fund Hamas (and various other terror groups).

Westboro doesn't cut people's heads off......

They just fund the murdering of doctors and bombing of clinics instead.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else. Make sure to use lots of big words so they''ll be impressed.

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

This kills me and then they wonder why America cant compete with others who get free college and healthcare. Sorry, they dont want us to compete with those places in the realm of new ideas they want us to compete with China for lower wages

Yeah, millions want to move there.

Yeah because moving there is the point of my post

So you want us to be like them?

I doubt that. Democrats raise taxes and wages, institute rigid regulations designed to increase overhead and they blame the GOP for chasing companies out of the country because of the global economic environment they created.

Today I learned Democrats hate football and own ESPN AND they dictate the wages in other countries. Oh and when it rains its the fault of liberals too

 

[Derideo_Te]

There are different kinds of liberalism. One should not assume that those who consider themselves to be liberals agree on everything, or even most things.

I am liberal on most economic issues. I believe that the economic policies of John Maynard Keynes ended the Great Depression, and that America's retreat from Keynesian economic policies, which began during the Reagan administration, is responsible for the fact that recessions have gotten deeper and longer, that we have what are called "jobless recoveries," and that economic growth increasingly goes to capital, rather than labor.

I believe that man made global warming is a serious problem that can only be curbed by restraints on economic growth and private property rights.

At the same time, I have always disliked the sexual revolution. I believe that it is the reason for the increase in single parent homes, and that children raised to adulthood by both parents living together in matrimony tend to do much better in life.

It was the World Wars (started by conservatives) that resulted in the "sexual revolution". Women left the home and took full time jobs and raised children alone while men in the armed services were issued with condoms.

That was happening on a global scale and after the wars ended there was nothing to keep women from finding jobs outside the home and men from visiting prostitutes.

The "sexual revolution" was simply the next logical step in what had been started by the conservative warmongers.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.

But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.

The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else.

We are. If you are poor or middle class and conservative, you have a screw or two missing.

If you are rich then we don't claim to be better than you we claim that you are a greedy fuck who's selfish to the core.

Conservatives hate government so they hate it anytime the government has to be the solution to a problem. Global Warming for example. We need our government to pass laws so citizens recycle and corporations clean up their act and we move toward green energy. This is why republicans hate admitting global warming is real and man made because they know you can't just ask and hope people stop pollutting. They won't. The government has to regulate it, and that kills Republicans.

The government has proven time and again that the do everything in a less efficient manner and in a more expensive way.

Facts not in evidence!

Medicare overhead is less than 5%. The private HMO's are 20%.

Fire departments, police departments and courts are way more efficient and effective than depending upon privatized fire, police and courts.

Highways and roads are maintained more efficiently and effectively by governments than private corporations.

Also, Democrats lie. It's the only thing they're any good at.

Ironic given the evidence of the Republicans who lie to the nation in order to wage war that costs taxpayers trillions.

Obviously you're in denial.

The lack of a substantive rebuttal from you says volumes about the weakness of your allegation. You could not refute a single fact but instead chose a personal attack. We will take that as a concession on your part that you were simply regurgitating mindless right wing rhetoric.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.

But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.

The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else. Make sure to use lots of big words so they''ll be impressed.

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

Ignorance can be taught.

I agree, just listen to right wing Hate AM and watch FauxNews.

Or been to college.

Why are so many college students so angry?

You should listen to them lately. And they don't seem to know anything.

More facts not in evidence!

 

[jasonnfree]

Liberals founded this nation

What were they thinking?

There you go lying again.

Our founding fathers were the leading LIBERALS of their day



CONSERVATIVES supported the king

Conservatives, being pro authoritarian, will probably never rebel I don't care how many guns they hoard, or rant on about the 2nd Amendment. Look at the occupy wall street movement. This infuriated conservatives and they were screaming for the occupiers heads. I agree, conservatives would have probably been siding with the British back in those days.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Are there any lefty's here who routinely write 500+ word essays as a conversation starter?

I can think of a handful of USMB nutters who do this. Of them, only one or two have any business writing more than a sentence or two.

 

[occupied]

I love to read hardcore conservatives trying to tell the world what the liberals think, regular folks have no problem comprehending the thought processes that have produced humanity's greatest steps away from barbarism, it's only the self-centered authoritarian with no empathy or optimism that have trouble figuring out why anyone would give a shit about people they do not even know or necessarily like.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Are there any lefty's here who routinely write 500+ word essays as a conversation starter?

I can think of a handful of USMB nutters who do this. Of them, only one or two have any business writing more than a sentence or two.

After the first 2 paragraphs it became the usual mindless repetitive rant that you can find on RW blogs all over the internet. Not worth wasting the time or effort to read that much drivel.

The OP never has anything new to contribute. His major claim to fame around here is as an object of ridicule. The best thing about this thread is that he hasn't posted again.

 

[sealybobo]

Mich. Muslim leaders call Islamic State crazy criminals

FIFTY people showed up. Out of a muslim population of over 40,000. Glad that at least 1 in 1,000 are moderate.

Again, go to a funeral of a U.S. Servicemen who is being protested by the Westboro klan. You will find HUNDREDS of patriot guard riders there to protect the family from them.

What do you want from them? How come I don't hear American Jews speaking out against the war crimes Israel is committing in the Gaza?

I am a Greek American. Do I have to speak out against Greece or you'll find me unpatriotic? I hate this unpatriotic bullshit frenzy we get into after something like 9-11. It allows ignorant racists to act very unamerican but feel patriotic about it.

I never used nor inferred the term "unpatriotic".

Someone compared the lack of Islamic protests against ISIS to a perceived lack of Christian protests against the Westboro klan. They were wrong because virtually every Christian organization publicly AND privately denounces the Westboro klan, whereas although there are a few Muslims who denounce ISIS, many who do publicly change their tune privately.

Will

I agree. They say, "don't judge Christianity by the members or churches. Just focus on the main message and don't let all that other stuff distract you.

Really? I think the first thing I do when deciding if I want to join a club is get to know the members. And if they are all lying ignorant fucks, I'm not going to join.

What if they said "We are all sinners, just like you....but we are trying to do better." Would you join them them?

My guess is no. Am I wrong??

I was a christian. In fact I don't have a beef with my sect other than like all the others, it too is completely made up.

But if my wife was a member and she liked going, I'd still be a member. I don't think you have to believe in god to go to church. I'm sure there are a lot of people who go and don't believe in god(s).

There are fundamentalists who think Adan & Eve were real people. They take the bible literally. More christians don't take those stories literally.

There are many christians who think all non christians are going to hell.

There are many christians who don't believe non christians are going to hell.

So what you believe is clearly not important, other than agreeing that Jesus really did miracles and was the son of god. If saying that is required, I can not join because Jesus, if he existed, was just another man. A good man but just a man.

 

[jasonnfree]

I've been thinking of writing a book on this. I think it would make an excellent read and would shed some insight into the workings of the typical liberal mind. Once was the time these afflicted people represented such a small and insignificant number of Americans it wasn't worth the bother, but they now seem to dominate the political landscape. Some have said Liberalism is a mental disorder and perhaps they are correct. I am not as concerned with a diagnosis as I am with a cure. I believe the secret to finding a cure is through a clearer understanding of how their minds work.

The first thing to remember is, they cannot help their condition, as a matter of fact, they are not even aware they have a condition. From the liberal's perspective, they are completely normal and their ideas are totally valid. They view those of us who are not liberal as the ones with the problem. We are often seen as greedy, uncaring and bigoted, simply because we do not accept the liberal ideology. They believe there is simply no hope for us until we become indoctrinated into the liberal philosophy.

In the liberal's mind, they were put here on this earth to solve all the world's problems through liberal initiatives. Only the liberal's initiatives will ultimately work, all other ideas are inadequate solutions. It does not matter about results. This is an important aspect to remember. The liberal will always discover reasons why their liberal initiatives fail and it usually involves those of us who are not liberal and our not going along with their liberal approach. If only the entire world were liberal, all the problems could be resolved and everyone would be happy.

Here's how it works: The Liberal sees a "problem" ...even if there is really no problem at all. You can try to explain how this "problem" is just a normal aspect of life, but to the liberal, you are wrong... it's a problem, a very real and urgent problem that needs to be fixed by their ingenious liberal solution. You can try to reason with them about this "problem" and how their solution is not going to ever fix it, but in their minds, you are just being a greedy and selfish bigot, as everyone who is not a liberal always is.

So they push for a liberal solution to the so-called problem, relentlessly, endlessly, through the media, through entertainment, through academia. Eventually, given enough time, they will convince enough people there is actually a problem that needs fixing. This could take years, or maybe even decades, but that's okay because it's what the liberal does. They exist for the cause. To fight the good fight. It doesn't matter if it takes a century to convince the masses, they are determined.

Once the public seemingly accepts there is a problem, the liberal then begins the push for the liberal solution to the problem. Most of the time, this involves some form of government action, a stiff regulation or restriction, a fine or tax on those who are successful, or a redistribution of wealth from one group to another. We need a new agency of the government to address this problem, we need massive amounts of funding, we need thousands of new laws and legislation passed. The solutions are never simple or easy, they always involve massive expansion of government and massive amounts of tax dollars devoted to the problem.

In spite of all those who fought against their proposals telling them how their plans would not work to resolve the problem, when they ultimately get all the things they set out to get and the problem is not fixed, the blame is always cast upon those who opposed them. It's never ever because the liberal solution was stupid or the problem could never be fixed, it's always because the greedy bigoted meanies on the right were opposed. Not enough funding was appropriated, we didn't do enough of the liberal idea, too many compromises had to be made. When the abject failure of their plan is so awful it can't be excused by lack of funding, etc., they will even attempt to claim the solution was not their idea at all, it was their adversaries who pushed this on us, and they were always opposed to it.

Likewise, whenever their so-called "solutions" to the "problem" end up creating an even bigger problem, they find a way to blame that on the ones who opposed them as well. A great example of this is what recently happened with the housing and financial sectors crashing and causing a recession. The liberal "problem" was that so many poor people could never afford to buy a new home and live the American Dream. They pushed and prodded for years and years until they finally had a consensus of lawmakers who passed a series of initiatives to help poor families get low-interest loans to buy homes. In spite of all the warnings this wasn't a good idea because poor people wouldn't be able to afford the payments, it was passed into law amid the glee of the liberals who saw it as a major victory at the time. The result was catastrophic. As the poor people defaulted on their loans, banks and lending institutions began to collapse, and the housing bubble burst. Now, who do the liberals blame? George W. Bush and the Republicans, of course!

Another prime example is the Student Loan program. Years ago, a bunch of liberals were on a mission to solve another "problem" that wasn't really a problem but a fact of life. Too many poor people couldn't afford to pay for college. So they pushed and prodded, called people names, cajoled politicians, lobbied and protested until they got their liberal solution, a government-backed student loan program. Those "greedy selfish bigots" who opposed their liberal solution had warned the result would be an exorbitant increase in the cost of education. Guess what has happened? Of course, as the cost of education increased, the liberal solution was to simply keep increasing the amount of student loans which could be available. And now... we hear the laments from the liberals.... people can't afford to repay their student loans! Something MUST be done, and it HAS to be a liberal solution because nothing else will ever work!

On and on I could go with this. Environmental "problems" that required the liberal solutions restricting our energy sector and the high prices of energy we now face as we've become increasingly dependent on foreign sources. Social entitlement programs that have utterly failed to bring people out of poverty in spite of TRILLIONS we've spent. Choking and stifling corporate taxation which has resulted in less and less jobs in the manufacturing sector and more and more corporations turning to offshore solutions to remain viable. An education system that simply no longer functions to educate. A health care system that no longer functions as it was intended. And when you talk to the liberal about these real problems, they look at you with Nancy Pelosi eyes and blame all of the problems on the evil and greedy right and their capitalist billionaires.

The Liberal exists to trot out NEW liberal solutions to the problems they helped create. More liberal solutions that will not work, will not fix the problems and will ultimately require even MORE liberal solutions in the future. And they honestly believe, in their heart of hearts, if we all got on board and thought like liberals, these "problems" could all be fixed and everything would be great in America.

You're thinking about writing a book? I think you just wrote it. Took me awhile to read it but now I don't have to order it on amazon.

 

[deltex1]

Liberals founded this nation

What were they thinking?

There you go lying again.

Classical liberals..not communist liberals

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Why are you guys so blind when it comes to US Muslims? You told the same lies after 9-11. "Muslims NEVER condemn terrorism"

CAIR Condemns ISIS Violence and Rejects Calls to Join Extremists Fighting Abroad - CAIR

American Muslims view the actions of ISIS as un-Islamic and morally repugnant. No religion condones the murder of civilians, the beheading of religious scholars or the desecration of houses of worship. We condemn the actions of ISIS and reject its assertion that all Muslims are required to pay allegiance to its leader.
"CAIR strongly urges American imams and other community leaders to continue to speak out against American Muslims traveling abroad to join extremist groups and sectarian militias. While ISIS uses romanticized imagery in its propaganda materials, its human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented."

I never said never. However I do not see it being widespread. The VAST majority of Christian groups castigate the Westboro klan. The same cannot be said for Islamic groups and ISIS, CAIR, Hamas, etc.

CAIR is the unindicted co-conspirator to the to various terror-finance schemes? They talk about peace, but then help fund Hamas (and various other terror groups).

Westboro doesn't cut people's heads off......

They just fund the murdering of doctors and bombing of clinics instead.

Again, while there certainly are evil people who hide behind Christianity, there is no mainstream Christian sect that supports either of these behaviors.

Watch Bill Mahr's discussion with Charlie Rose for a good liberal point of view of Islam.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Mich. Muslim leaders call Islamic State crazy criminals

FIFTY people showed up. Out of a muslim population of over 40,000. Glad that at least 1 in 1,000 are moderate.

Again, go to a funeral of a U.S. Servicemen who is being protested by the Westboro klan. You will find HUNDREDS of patriot guard riders there to protect the family from them.

What do you want from them? How come I don't hear American Jews speaking out against the war crimes Israel is committing in the Gaza?

I am a Greek American. Do I have to speak out against Greece or you'll find me unpatriotic? I hate this unpatriotic bullshit frenzy we get into after something like 9-11. It allows ignorant racists to act very unamerican but feel patriotic about it.

I never used nor inferred the term "unpatriotic".

Someone compared the lack of Islamic protests against ISIS to a perceived lack of Christian protests against the Westboro klan. They were wrong because virtually every Christian organization publicly AND privately denounces the Westboro klan, whereas although there are a few Muslims who denounce ISIS, many who do publicly change their tune privately.

Will

I agree. They say, "don't judge Christianity by the members or churches. Just focus on the main message and don't let all that other stuff distract you.

Really? I think the first thing I do when deciding if I want to join a club is get to know the members. And if they are all lying ignorant fucks, I'm not going to join.

What if they said "We are all sinners, just like you....but we are trying to do better." Would you join them them?

My guess is no. Am I wrong??

I was a christian. In fact I don't have a beef with my sect other than like all the others, it too is completely made up.

But if my wife was a member and she liked going, I'd still be a member. I don't think you have to believe in god to go to church. I'm sure there are a lot of people who go and don't believe in god(s).

There are fundamentalists who think Adan & Eve were real people. They take the bible literally. More christians don't take those stories literally.

There are many christians who think all non christians are going to hell.

There are many christians who don't believe non christians are going to hell.

So what you believe is clearly not important, other than agreeing that Jesus really did miracles and was the son of god. If saying that is required, I can not join because Jesus, if he existed, was just another man. A good man but just a man.

Excellent post, thank you.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Liberals founded this nation

What were they thinking?

There you go lying again.

Classical liberals..not communist liberals

You are not entitled to your own version of history.

Conservatives supported the big money (AKA the King) back then just as they support the big money (AKA the Wall Street Casino) today.

 

[deltex1]

I wondered what that "King" shit was...Sallow used it earlier...I guess you get the same talking points.