Gun control….only 2% think it is a serious issue this election cycle…..go for it dems...

[Dhara]

I've had a gun pointed at me, and I don't know what caliber it was, but to me, the barrel looked to be about the size of a coke can. Yes, I was scared, but I'm not going to take that fear with me every day in everything I do for the rest of my life. Sad for you that you have to cling so tightly to your fears.

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I've had a gun pointed at me, and I don't know what caliber it was, but to me, the barrel looked to be about the size of a coke can. Yes, I was scared, but I'm not going to take that fear with me every day in everything I do for the rest of my life. Sad for you that you have to cling so tightly to your fears.

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

 

[Dhara]

I've had a gun pointed at me, and I don't know what caliber it was, but to me, the barrel looked to be about the size of a coke can. Yes, I was scared, but I'm not going to take that fear with me every day in everything I do for the rest of my life. Sad for you that you have to cling so tightly to your fears.

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have a gun nut like you for a neighbor.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I've had a gun pointed at me, and I don't know what caliber it was, but to me, the barrel looked to be about the size of a coke can. Yes, I was scared, but I'm not going to take that fear with me every day in everything I do for the rest of my life. Sad for you that you have to cling so tightly to your fears.

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

 

[Dhara]

Disgusting prick. So paranoid, guns aren't enough. You need attack dogs to kill people with. Creepazoid.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Disgusting prick. So paranoid, guns aren't enough. You need attack dogs to kill people with.

Yes I agree, trespassers are disgusting pricks.

Attack dogs? Not hardly. They protect my property from trespassers be it two legged or four. There are a lot of coyotes, bobcats and feral hogs where I live.

 

[Dhara]

Killers are creeps. Violent pricks like you are creeps.

I would never take up arms even against the likes of you.

 

[BULLDOG]

I've had a gun pointed at me, and I don't know what caliber it was, but to me, the barrel looked to be about the size of a coke can. Yes, I was scared, but I'm not going to take that fear with me every day in everything I do for the rest of my life. Sad for you that you have to cling so tightly to your fears.

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

What exactly happened to make you so afraid? Think of how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that debilitating fear 24/7

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Killers are creeps. Violent pricks like you are creeps.

I would never take up arms even against the likes of you.

I hope not. The likes of me are law abiding, well respected and generous citizens.

 

[Dhara]

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

What exactly happened to make you so afraid? Think of how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that debilitating fear 24/7

That guy is so paranoid. Not only does he need guns but he trains his dogs to hurt people. I hope he gets help. He's psycho. He wants to use deadly force against a woman walking her dog who accidentally wanders onto his property.

He can't even hear about my experience without needing to threaten me, wanting his dogs to tear me apart.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I'm sure you have.

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

What exactly happened to make you so afraid? Think of how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that debilitating fear 24/7

I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. You're the one frightened by the sight of a gun.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

What exactly happened to make you so afraid? Think of how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that debilitating fear 24/7

That guy is so paranoid. Not only does he need guns but he trains his dogs to hurt people. I hope he gets help. He's psycho.

My dogs were not trained. They are naturally protective.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

 

[BULLDOG]

What a creep. I've had a gun pointed at me too. My fault. I was hiking and trespassed on a neighbor's land. Turned out he was a major nutcase.

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

What exactly happened to make you so afraid? Think of how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that debilitating fear 24/7

I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. You're the one frightened by the sight of a gun.

No dumb ass. I have plenty of guns. I'm frightened by the sight of gun nuts.

 

[BULLDOG]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

 

[Dhara]

You were trespassing and HE was the nutcase?

Wow you are a stupid one aren't you.

He was fucking nuts. I made a mistake. Yes, an ignorant mistake.

I had just moved to the area and was walking my dog. I didn't know where the properties intersected.

Creeps like you would kill me to die for trespassing. Shoot first, ask questions later. Fucking cowboy.

May I never have you for a neighbor.

No I wouldn't kill you, but my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks might make a chew toy out of you.

What exactly happened to make you so afraid? Think of how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that debilitating fear 24/7

I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. You're the one frightened by the sight of a gun.

No dumb ass. I have plenty of guns. I'm frightened by the sight of gun nuts.

That guy, Lonestar, ought to be in a psych hospital and never allowed to use a gun again in his life.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Gun control….only 2% think it is a serious issue this election cycle…..go for it dems..."

It's a non-issue most on the right are trying to contrive into a wedge issue.

 

[Dhara]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Or licked by a friendly Irish Setter wagging it's tail..

 

[2aguy]

Dear Dhara
yes and no.
1. guns don't solve the mental illness issue or cure criminal illness.

2. but guns do deter or stop crimes in process, such as in the LA riots
where shops that let rioters know they were armed weren't attacked,
and the trained guard who killed a shooter in church before he could shoot any more people.
Jeanne Assam: The Forgotten Woman Who Stopped a Church Shooting-Truth!

And
3. we need to stop arguing about the political beliefs, recognize those differences,
and shape public policy to address BOTH concerns instead of "either / or"

it's ALL the above: addressing mental illness and medically proven diagnosis and cure.
a system of referring people to get help before crimes or dangers go too far.
safe standardized training and enforcement of laws for people who are going to use arms for that,
similar to police and military, so there is proper screening - one benefit being that all people
in govt could better be held to agreed standards if the public can agree on these standards.

It is important we agree on Constitutional standards
so we can hold govt consistently to the same.
see ethics-commission.net for the minimum principles I would teach all citizens
to enforce in order to hold govt accountable to the same and correct any grievances.

Otherwise politicians take this KNOWN conflict, and abuse it for political points.
Instead of solving the problem, by seeking solutions that satisfy both the rightwing
and leftwing way of looking at the gun issues, the parties keep PLAYING ON THE FEAR.

You may blame rightwing party members for using this issue as false security to appease their fear.
The SAME can be said of leftwing party members using their party to run policies through govt
to appease their fears.

Fear is on both sides. So if we solved the problems, then no more political games or points
can be made from the fear on either side, especially not the fear that the other party is dominating the show.

I do not have a problem with the Second Amendment. I think some people should not have guns. Those who show a propensity for violence toward spouses and children, for example.

I don't feel a lot of fear coming from the left about guns. It's the right that appears threatened constantly even when 75% of all gun owners are conservative. The right to own a firearm is in no way threatened.

The problem isn't even party politics, IMO. It's the misuse of media. Us versus them mentality.

We're all in the same boat as American citizens. Government isn't the problem. People are the problem. People who only care about "their side" of an argument.

Just my opinion, not worth much but it's all I have.

Dear Dhara and BULLDOG I think you both are trying and able to see both sides.
What you seem to dismiss is underestimating the real effect of these fears on govt and public relations.

A. Dhara you say you don't see a lot of fear coming from the left about guns.
But every time there is an incident, the rhetoric moves toward gun control.
Obama made statements, the politicians on the left use this for soliciting votes and campaign dollars.
Just like the rightwing uses abortion and the prolife issue to get votes and dollars without doing anything real.

The left pimps this fear of gun violence just as much.
How can you dismiss the fears that are exploited and hyped on both sides?

I think you DO see how this issue is blown up in the media for political gain.
What I don't think you see is how both the left and right do this,
same with the abortion issue. They don't solve it, they just pimp it for political hype to sway the masses.

B. BULLDOG I am also guessing that you are trying to make the distinction
between the real principle in practice and the way the issue is blown out of proportion in the media,
"playing on fears".

I think your approach of addressing both levels is needed and can be very effective
since you actually exercise your gun rights responsibly, and don't see it as any big deal to you.

However, trying to tell people their fears aren't real or have substance only pours fuel on that fire.
That is their worst fear, that people will play down and trust govt, so much, that they give up rights
until it's too late. So you play RIGHT INTO those fears the more you try to play them down as overboard.

I don't think that part of your approach is effective, but has the very opposite effect you intend.
I think you can be a valuable ally to both sides, but emphasizing the reality of both sides,
and pushing solutions that satisfy BOTH -- ie NOT downplaying either side but backing them both up fully.

You have the ability to do this, since you see both sides.
Instead of appearing to take sides and downplaying one,
I am confident you would succeed in your message by supporting both sides equally in working this out,
treating both views as equally valid and important to address. Otherwise it just multiplies fear on both sides.

I can see what you are both trying to say
so thanks for that: Dhara and BULLDOG

I'm not saying the gun nut's fears aren't real. I'm just saying they are unfounded and nuts. The right, under control of the NRA are constantly stoking those unfounded fears, and causing the nuts to behave like.......well.......nuts. Nobody needs to be armed to watch their kids play T-ball, or to buy laundry detergent at Walmart.

It's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

You are right that no one needs a gun to buy detergent at Walmart until they are mugged on their way back to their car. No one need to be armed while watching their kids play T-ball until someone tries to grab the child off the playground.

Being armed is being prepared. We don't live in Mayberry or the 1950's when you could leave your doors unlocked and keys in your car and not worry about the safety of you and your family.

Actually, I live in a place where I do not worry about security or safety. I wouldn't want a gun in my house. Being armed is unnecessary.

Until it is necessary.....and you won't have one...but good for you........live as you want.....

 

[2aguy]

"Gun control….only 2% think it is a serious issue this election cycle…..go for it dems..."

It's a non-issue most on the right are trying to contrive into a wedge issue.

No twit...the democrats are pushing hard on gun control right before the Presidential election ..the dems think they can take it all the way this time....twit.