Guns are part of who we are as Americans

[Rustic]

You seem to mistakenly believe most of us are interested in reducing gun deaths. We’re simply interested in making sure the correct seem of the population die. That’s all.

We are the only country that suffers from regular school shootings. You want children to die?

Only in progressive controlled urban areas, Progressivism makes people crazy

No they have pretty much happened everywhere. Do you ever get tired of lying?

Na, not really
Deer kill more people in rural America…
Firearms are never the problem… People kill people not firearms

I didn't think you'd get tired of lying.

Firearms are here to stay at live with it

 

[Brain357]

When compared to stable countries, our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. That's a lot of souls to save.

Only problem we have is with violent crime is in progressive controlled urban areas, With frivolous gun control laws... rural America Has no violent crime problem. And that’s where most of the firearms are… Can you connect the dots?

Yes there are much fewer people to kill in rural areas. Also many of our mass shootings have happened in rural areas so they have a problem.

Lol
What you call rural America is not rural America... When was the last shooting in say... South Dakota Wyoming Montana etc.?

They happen all the time.
Man shot, killed after allegedly firing at South Dakota deputies...

Suspect in custody following deadly shooting, name of victim released

Lol
Mass shooting?
Nice deflection

Obviously mass shootings are going to happen more where there are mass amounts of people. Texas and FL get them regularly. They are hardly lefty states, but they have population.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Personal firearm ownership of someone else’s is none of your business… Just live with it

That would be true if they didn't shoot other people. But sadly they do. We have all manner of mass shootings, our police are regularly shot, our homicide rates is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.. Right to life is being infringed.

Only in progressive controlled urban areas… Where frivolous gun control laws and repeat offenders are the norm.

Which is most of the countries population.

Lol
The vast majority of firearms are owned by rural Americans in rural areas… No significant firearm violence there...
Progressivism makes people in the control freaks and crazy

Right so we have significant violence where there are people. Which seems to be a problem.

Liberlism, they have no value for life


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[Flash]

[ You realize strict gun laws would make the likelihood of a criminal pulling one on you much less right?

LOL! You mean like in Chicago? Those strict gun control laws are working mighty fine, aren't they?

December to Date

Shot & Killed: 12
Shot & Wounded: 50
Total Shot: 62
Total Homicides: 16


Week in Progress (12/2 – 12/8)

Shot & Killed: 10
Shot & Wounded: 43
Total Shot: 53
Total Homicides: 13

Year to Date

Shot & Killed: 474
Shot & Wounded: 2331
Total Shot: 2805
Total Homicides: 560

Chicago Crime 2018 | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

You should understand that Chicago doesn't have walls. They are surrounded by weak gun laws. City gun laws are very limited. Btw, they have concealed carry. Doesn't look like it is lowering crime does it?

We need federal gun laws and then we would have much lower homicide rates like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Denmark....

You are really naive, aren't you? Either that or just plain stupid. You should understand that gun control laws do nothing to stop crime. Just like background checks do nothing to stop criminals from getting firearms.

My long time friend just retired as a Police Chief of one of the suburbs of Chicago. They don't have near as strict gun control laws as Chicago and they have very little gun crime. It is not the gun control laws that stop gun crimes. All gun control laws do is keep law abiding citizens from owning the guns they need to protect themselves from the assholes that don't obey the law.

If lack of gun control regulations causes gun crime then states like Wyoming would have the highest number of gun crimes because they have the most lax laws and a tremendous rate of gun ownership.

However, that is not the case is it? Most of the gun crime in the US takes place in the ghetto areas of the five or six biggest big city shitholes in the US by the same demographics that don't obey the drug laws or hardly any other laws.

You stupid Moon Bats don't have public safety as you agenda for doing away with the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Your agenda is to stop potential armed citizens from preventing you Left Wing assholes from ever making this country a socialist shithole that you desire so much. You know it and I know it.

 

[Rustic]

Personal firearm ownership of someone else’s is none of your business… Just live with it

That would be true if they didn't shoot other people. But sadly they do. We have all manner of mass shootings, our police are regularly shot, our homicide rates is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.. Right to life is being infringed.

Only in progressive controlled urban areas… Where frivolous gun control laws and repeat offenders are the norm.

Which is most of the countries population.

Lol
The vast majority of firearms are owned by rural Americans in rural areas… No significant firearm violence there...
Progressivism makes people in the control freaks and crazy

Right so we have significant violence where there are people. Which seems to be a problem.

Repeat offenders are the ones that do the most violent crime in this country… They love areas with frivolous gun control laws...

 

[Wyatt earp]

Only problem we have is with violent crime is in progressive controlled urban areas, With frivolous gun control laws... rural America Has no violent crime problem. And that’s where most of the firearms are… Can you connect the dots?

Yes there are much fewer people to kill in rural areas. Also many of our mass shootings have happened in rural areas so they have a problem.

Lol
What you call rural America is not rural America... When was the last shooting in say... South Dakota Wyoming Montana etc.?

They happen all the time.
Man shot, killed after allegedly firing at South Dakota deputies...

Suspect in custody following deadly shooting, name of victim released

Lol
Mass shooting?
Nice deflection

Obviously mass shootings are going to happen more where there are mass amounts of people. Texas and FL get them regularly. They are hardly lefty states, but they have population.

So how are you going to get the guns?


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[Rustic]

Criminals have never obeyed gun laws, have never, never will. Lol

Our crime rates dropped dramatically after we got background checks. And as you can see, countries with real gun laws have lower homicide rates. Seems strong laws make it harder for criminals to break those laws.

Na, not really
The only way to discipline a repeat violent criminal... Is to eliminate them.
The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done by repeat criminals… We have no criminal control in this country

We have the fullest jails in the world. Seems lots of guns are really bad for crime.

That is not criminal control because they’re constantly being let out, violent criminals should be executed... absolutely.
Vast majority of violent crime in this country is done by repeat offenders… Get rid of the repeat offenders there is how you get rid of violent crime

Most of our mass shooters don't have a criminal record. Many of our cop killers don't have a criminal record.

Lol
That’s why I say progressives are crazy... They think crazy can be cured

 

[Pilot1]

"Mass Shootings" are a very, very minute percentage of violent crime by PEOPLE using guns. The Media makes you think otherwise, but you are much more likely to win the lottery, or get hit by lightning than get shot in a "mass shooting".

If people were so worried about large numbers of innocent people getting killed they would make cars, and trucks safer. But, they just want to get rid of legally owned guns to further control the law abiding. That's all.

 

[Rustic]

The pool of potential killers here

I am a seasoned citizen. I need to be able to protect myself when I go to the store or get into my car and go anywhere.

Firearms give me that freedom. If I didn't have a firearm on me, and some criminal pulled one on me, I'd be dead. Maybe I'll be dead anyhow if it comes down to it, but at least now I stand a chance if someone pulls out a weapon with an intent to assassinate me.

This is what our founding fathers put this into the Constitution.

Funny that's I've never needed a gun for defense in my life, nor do I know anyone who has. You realize strict gun laws would make the likelihood of a criminal pulling one on you much less right? Lots of guns gives us a homicide rate 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

Are you some kind of criminal that you expect someone to try to assassinate you?

Absolutely not true. Mexico has very stringent gun control and a murder rate higher than America. Ditto for other republics in our hemisphere like Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.

Any number of innocent people have guns pulled on them.

I suppose that it might increase slightly the chance of a criminal pulling a gun, but criminals have other weapons and as a seasoned citizen, I become more and more likely to be a victim of even a strong armed attack as I get frailer.

You aren't thinking very well. Mexico has a corrupt police force and government. Nobody is enforcing those laws, making them extremely weak. They recently disarmed a whole police force due to how corrupt they were. You are naming countries that are not politically or economically stable. When you compare us to similar countries, our homicide rate is 4-5X higher. Compare us to Germany, UK, France, Japan.... Stable countries similar to ours.

Rural America has no significant violent crime, And that’s were the least frivolous gun control laws are and where the most firearms are… Connecting the dots yet?

They have no significant population to fuel crime. Duh.

Lol
Because repeat offenders are not welcome… Along with progressive’s

 

[Polishprince]

LOL! You mean like in Chicago? Those strict gun control laws are working mighty fine, aren't they?

December to Date

Shot & Killed: 12
Shot & Wounded: 50
Total Shot: 62
Total Homicides: 16


Week in Progress (12/2 – 12/8)

Shot & Killed: 10
Shot & Wounded: 43
Total Shot: 53
Total Homicides: 13

Year to Date

Shot & Killed: 474
Shot & Wounded: 2331
Total Shot: 2805
Total Homicides: 560

Chicago Crime 2018 | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

You should understand that Chicago doesn't have walls. They are surrounded by weak gun laws. City gun laws are very limited. Btw, they have concealed carry. Doesn't look like it is lowering crime does it?

We need federal gun laws and then we would have much lower homicide rates like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Denmark....

Criminals have never obeyed gun laws, have never, never will. Lol

Our crime rates dropped dramatically after we got background checks. And as you can see, countries with real gun laws have lower homicide rates. Seems strong laws make it harder for criminals to break those laws.

Na, not really
The only way to discipline a repeat violent criminal... Is to eliminate them.
The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done by repeat criminals… We have no criminal control in this country

We have the fullest jails in the world. Seems lots of guns are really bad for crime.

With the long term relaxation of America's formerly Draconian Gun Code, the homicide rate is in a long term pattern decline, Brainy.

We don't want to go back to the bad old days when Law Abiders got assassinated regularly. BTW, think how history would have been if MLK and his cronies on the Memphis motel balcony were all armed? MLK sees Mr. Ray, all four of them are firing back. But Liberal Gun regulations prohibited that conclusion.


Crime in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Rustic]

LOL! You mean like in Chicago? Those strict gun control laws are working mighty fine, aren't they?

December to Date

Shot & Killed: 12
Shot & Wounded: 50
Total Shot: 62
Total Homicides: 16


Week in Progress (12/2 – 12/8)

Shot & Killed: 10
Shot & Wounded: 43
Total Shot: 53
Total Homicides: 13

Year to Date

Shot & Killed: 474
Shot & Wounded: 2331
Total Shot: 2805
Total Homicides: 560

Chicago Crime 2018 | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

You should understand that Chicago doesn't have walls. They are surrounded by weak gun laws. City gun laws are very limited. Btw, they have concealed carry. Doesn't look like it is lowering crime does it?

We need federal gun laws and then we would have much lower homicide rates like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Denmark....

Criminals have never obeyed gun laws, have never, never will. Lol

Our crime rates dropped dramatically after we got background checks. And as you can see, countries with real gun laws have lower homicide rates. Seems strong laws make it harder for criminals to break those laws.

Na, not really
The only way to discipline a repeat violent criminal... Is to eliminate them.
The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done by repeat criminals… We have no criminal control in this country

We have the fullest jails in the world. Seems lots of guns are really bad for crime.

Firemans have no control over people, but crazy people always seem to be progressive in mindset...

 

[Anathema]

Other countries don't need security. You won't be missed after you die will you?

Other countries don’t need security at schools because they never had any security to begin with. Their Governments have denied them true safety for more than a thousand years and replaced it with Government control; to the point where they’ve become nothing more than sheep.

 

[Brain357]

[ You realize strict gun laws would make the likelihood of a criminal pulling one on you much less right?

LOL! You mean like in Chicago? Those strict gun control laws are working mighty fine, aren't they?

December to Date

Shot & Killed: 12
Shot & Wounded: 50
Total Shot: 62
Total Homicides: 16


Week in Progress (12/2 – 12/8)

Shot & Killed: 10
Shot & Wounded: 43
Total Shot: 53
Total Homicides: 13

Year to Date

Shot & Killed: 474
Shot & Wounded: 2331
Total Shot: 2805
Total Homicides: 560

Chicago Crime 2018 | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

You should understand that Chicago doesn't have walls. They are surrounded by weak gun laws. City gun laws are very limited. Btw, they have concealed carry. Doesn't look like it is lowering crime does it?

We need federal gun laws and then we would have much lower homicide rates like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Denmark....

You are really naive, aren't you? Either that or just plain stupid. You should understand that gun control laws do nothing to stop crime. Just like background checks do nothing to stop criminals from getting firearms.

My long time friend just retired as a Police Chief of one of the suburbs of Chicago. They don't have near as strict gun control laws as Chicago and they have very little gun crime. It is not the gun control laws that stop gun crimes. All gun control laws do is keep law abiding citizens from owning the guns they need to protect themselves from the assholes that don't obey the law.

If lack of gun control regulations causes gun crime then states like Wyoming would have the highest number of gun crimes because they have the most lax laws and a tremendous rate of gun ownership.

However, that is not the case is it? Most of the gun crime in the US takes place in the ghetto areas of the five or six biggest big city shitholes in the US by the same demographics that don't obey the drug laws or hardly any other laws.

You stupid Moon Bats don't have public safety as you agenda for doing away with the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Your agenda is to stop potential armed citizens from preventing you Left Wing assholes from ever making this country a socialist shithole that you desire so much. You know it and I know it.

Strange that our crime rates dropped after we got background checks. Strange that countries with strong gun control have homicide rates that are a fraction of ours. You seem to deny reality.

 

[Flash]

Personal firearm ownership of someone else’s is none of your business… Just live with it

That would be true if they didn't shoot other people. But sadly they do. We have all manner of mass shootings, our police are regularly shot, our homicide rates is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.. Right to life is being infringed.

Only in progressive controlled urban areas… Where frivolous gun control laws and repeat offenders are the norm.

Which is most of the countries population.

Lol
The vast majority of firearms are owned by rural Americans in rural areas… No significant firearm violence there...
Progressivism makes people in the control freaks and crazy

Right so we have significant violence where there are people. Which seems to be a problem.

Mostly it is where we have Black and Brown people because where they are concentrated is where we have the most gun crime.

 

[Brain357]

"Mass Shootings" are a very, very minute percentage of violent crime by PEOPLE using guns. The Media makes you think otherwise, but you are much more likely to win the lottery, or get hit by lightning than get shot in a "mass shooting".

If people were so worried about large numbers of innocent people getting killed they would make cars, and trucks safer. But, they just want to get rid of legally owned guns to further control the law abiding. That's all.

People die in cars and trucks in every country. And they work to make them safer all the time. Many countries have the gun problem fixed, we just need to use the fix.

 

[bodecea]

That, in my opinion is why the de-nationalizing hordes are so interested in grabbing them.

So was slavery.

So was genocide of native Americans

So was racism.

"We've always done it that way" isn't a good argument.

Does it make sense now? Most of us don't have to hunt for food now.

The two arguments for gun ownership today is " I needs my guns to fight off the criminals" when in fact, most gun deaths are from people you know.

The other is "I needs my guns to fights the gummit!" which is even stupider, because the government has tanks and bombers and can take you out with impunity if they really wanted to.

You are always confused about this. You Moon Bats are confused about a great many things, aren't you?

The reason that the Founding Fathers established the individual right to keep and bear is spelled out very clearly in the Constitution; "necessary for the security of a free state".

Go look it up you stupid confused uneducated Moon Bat. I guarantee you that it is in the Constitution.

Exactly.....thus the need to encourage all minorities and women to be pro-gun, buy guns and get trained in them.

 

[Brain357]

You should understand that Chicago doesn't have walls. They are surrounded by weak gun laws. City gun laws are very limited. Btw, they have concealed carry. Doesn't look like it is lowering crime does it?

We need federal gun laws and then we would have much lower homicide rates like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Denmark....

Criminals have never obeyed gun laws, have never, never will. Lol

Our crime rates dropped dramatically after we got background checks. And as you can see, countries with real gun laws have lower homicide rates. Seems strong laws make it harder for criminals to break those laws.

Na, not really
The only way to discipline a repeat violent criminal... Is to eliminate them.
The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done by repeat criminals… We have no criminal control in this country

We have the fullest jails in the world. Seems lots of guns are really bad for crime.

With the long term relaxation of America's formerly Draconian Gun Code, the homicide rate is in a long term pattern decline, Brainy.

We don't want to go back to the bad old days when Law Abiders got assassinated regularly. BTW, think how history would have been if MLK and his cronies on the Memphis motel balcony were all armed? MLK sees Mr. Ray, all four of them are firing back. But Liberal Gun regulations prohibited that conclusion.


Crime in the United States - Wikipedia

You mean it went into decline right after we got background checks. It's actually up more with this gun craze.

Violent Crime in U.S. Rises for Second Consecutive Year

 

[Natural Citizen]

That, in my opinion is why the de-nationalizing hordes are so interested in grabbing them.

From the picture of the rugged mountain man eeking out an existence in the Rocky mountains in the 1850s to the statuary images of the greatest generation dressed for combat the gun has become not just a tool for self-defense and the establishment of Independence it has also become an irrevocable symbol of the American Spirit.

Americans unlike their European predecessors didn't wait didn't wait to be subdued before they declared their independence they took it up front.

That makes the American profile unique among cultural profiles... It's also makes the pure American spirit particularly hated by the dominating nature of the Global elites who see any form of Independence as an impediment to their one world agenda.

Jo

Hi, Jo, how's it going? I'm just going to add a snip of relevant reading from a good book on the topic to your thought here.

Evolution a Main Part of the Revolution

The Twin Revolution of 1776 was fundamentally in support of conserving well-developed American values governmentally and not for the purpose of their destruction. As the Continental Congress proclaimed on July 6, 1775, in the "Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms":

[We have taken up arms] ". . . for the preservation of our liberties . . . in defence of the freedom that is our birth-right, and which we ever enjoyed till the late violation of it . . ." (Emphasis added.)​

The Twin Revolution was therefore, in general, in defense of established governmental institutions, principles and accustomed rights; but these institutions were then given new functions and significance in the light of the Twin Revolution's goal of complete self-government: Man-over-Government. It was against tyrannous officials acting as usurpers--acting lawlessly, as "out-laws," because outside of the scope of their prescribed authority under Law designed to make and keep secure these things governmental and the people's liberties. It was in pursuit of more complete self-government and Individual Liberty: Freedom from Government-over-Man. An element of evolution governmentally was thus involved: progress through building on the basis of the governmental institutions, customs and civilization in general already established in America. This spelled a vast advance in governmental philosophy and system because--through a century and a half of pioneering governmentally and other-wise--the American people had by 1776 already achieved greater freedom for The Individual from Government-over-Man and a civilization far more advanced politically than any that then existed in the Old World or would exist there for a long time afterward.

The Twin Revolution of 1776 commenced, in truth, a never-ending process of evolution looking towards ever-fuller realization of The American Ideal, of the goals stated in the Declaration of Independence. Therein lies the significance of the call, to endless striving, by James Wilson, one of The Framers, in his oration on July 4, 1788:

"A progressive state is necessary to the happiness and perfection of man. Whatever attainments are already reached, attainments still higher should be pursued. Let us, therefore, strive with noble emulation. Let us suppose we have done nothing, while any thing yet remains to be done. Let us, with fervent zeal, press forward, and make unceasing advances in every thing that can support, improve, refine, or embellish society . . . The commencement of our government has been eminently glorious: let our progress in every excellence be proportionably great. It will--it must be so."

The fact that the Twin Revolution of 1776 is a continuing process of evolution was highlighted in a 1787 address to the American people by Dr. Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (quoting the first and the last paragraphs; emphasis his):

"There is nothing more common, than to confound the terms of American Revolution with those of the late American war. The American war is over: but this is far from being the case with the American revolution. On the contrary, nothing but the first act of the great drama is closed. It remains yet to establish and perfect our new forms of government; and to prepare the principles, morals, and manners of our citizens, for these forms of government, after they are established and brought to perfection . . . Patriots of 1774, 1775, 1776---heroes of 1778, 1779, 1780! come forward! your country demands your services!--Philosophers and friends to mankind, come forward! your country demands your studies and speculations! Lovers of peace and order, who declined taking part in the late war, come forward! your country forgives your timidity and demands your influence and advice! Hear her proclaiming, in sighs and groans, in her governments, in her finances, in her trade, in her manufactures, in her morals, and in her manners, 'THE REVOLUTION IS NOT OVER '"

The book itself - The American Ideal Of 1776: The Twelve Basic American Principles By Hamilton Abert Long, c1976

 

[Flash]

[ You realize strict gun laws would make the likelihood of a criminal pulling one on you much less right?

LOL! You mean like in Chicago? Those strict gun control laws are working mighty fine, aren't they?

December to Date

Shot & Killed: 12
Shot & Wounded: 50
Total Shot: 62
Total Homicides: 16


Week in Progress (12/2 – 12/8)

Shot & Killed: 10
Shot & Wounded: 43
Total Shot: 53
Total Homicides: 13

Year to Date

Shot & Killed: 474
Shot & Wounded: 2331
Total Shot: 2805
Total Homicides: 560

Chicago Crime 2018 | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

You should understand that Chicago doesn't have walls. They are surrounded by weak gun laws. City gun laws are very limited. Btw, they have concealed carry. Doesn't look like it is lowering crime does it?

We need federal gun laws and then we would have much lower homicide rates like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Denmark....

You are really naive, aren't you? Either that or just plain stupid. You should understand that gun control laws do nothing to stop crime. Just like background checks do nothing to stop criminals from getting firearms.

My long time friend just retired as a Police Chief of one of the suburbs of Chicago. They don't have near as strict gun control laws as Chicago and they have very little gun crime. It is not the gun control laws that stop gun crimes. All gun control laws do is keep law abiding citizens from owning the guns they need to protect themselves from the assholes that don't obey the law.

If lack of gun control regulations causes gun crime then states like Wyoming would have the highest number of gun crimes because they have the most lax laws and a tremendous rate of gun ownership.

However, that is not the case is it? Most of the gun crime in the US takes place in the ghetto areas of the five or six biggest big city shitholes in the US by the same demographics that don't obey the drug laws or hardly any other laws.

You stupid Moon Bats don't have public safety as you agenda for doing away with the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Your agenda is to stop potential armed citizens from preventing you Left Wing assholes from ever making this country a socialist shithole that you desire so much. You know it and I know it.

Strange that our crime rates dropped after we got background checks. Strange that countries with strong gun control have homicide rates that are a fraction of ours. You seem to deny reality.

You are really confused, are you Moon Bat?

Gun crime rates have been on a steady decline for several decades now as have all crimes. This is at a time when gun ownership has grown tremendously.

Background checks are a joke. They sure as hell don't sop the massive number of shootings in the big city shitholes that happen on a daily basis, does it? They sure did stop the recent high profile shootings, did they? Those guys passed the background checks.

 

[Flash]

Gun control laws are a joke.

Background checks are worthless.