CDZ Guns Tanks and Nucklear Weapons. The second amendment.

[hauke]

the effectivness of a single person to commit murder with arms was not forseen by the founding fathers.

And that has what to do with the Constitution?

Other than an exercise in history and philosophy it means nothing.

Oh and by the way, the US was not the first democracy (and in fact we're a democratic republic not a true democracy). Greece was the first known democracy and supposedly it was a true democracy, with the problems that are associated with that form of government.

greece was a democracy of 10000 free man 150 000 women with no vote and 140 000 slaves

 

[hauke]

its so much FUN to invent numbers

i do it all the time let me tell you some invented numbers

in 2015 16 shooters killed 2065 people with the ar 15

in 2014 8 shooters killed 504 people
in 2013 13 shooters killed 604 people

thats agains your numbers

totaly fantasy just like yours

 

[hauke]

btw none of the arms bearing guys answered if usa citizens are allowed to bear nuclear weapons its an arm so if usa citzens are allowed to bear arms, they should be allowed nuclear bombs. yes neither assault rifles nor nuclear bombs where foreseen by the founding fathers when the 2nd amendmend was made

the arms your supposed to have are muskets

very 1776 not 2016

 

[Kristian]

its so much FUN to invent numbers

i do it all the time let me tell you some invented numbers

in 2015 16 shooters killed 2065 people with the ar 15

in 2014 8 shooters killed 504 people
in 2013 13 shooters killed 604 people

thats agains your numbers

totaly fantasy just like yours

Very fantasy outside world.

 

[2aguy]

its so much FUN to invent numbers

i do it all the time let me tell you some invented numbers

in 2015 16 shooters killed 2065 people with the ar 15

in 2014 8 shooters killed 504 people
in 2013 13 shooters killed 604 people

thats agains your numbers

totaly fantasy just like yours

Those are actual numbers from Mother Jones, their mass shooting list....and from the FBI and the CDC.......I took the mass shootings with Rifles with detachable magazines from the list by Mother JOnes. where they detail all the mass shootings going back to 1982.....and they even updated the list with the new obama standard of 3 killed, instead of the old standard of 4 killed.........

The facts, the statistics and reality show you are wrong on everything....don't get mad, get educated....

 

[2aguy]

its so much FUN to invent numbers

i do it all the time let me tell you some invented numbers

in 2015 16 shooters killed 2065 people with the ar 15

in 2014 8 shooters killed 504 people
in 2013 13 shooters killed 604 people

thats agains your numbers

totaly fantasy just like yours

Here you go....now try to tell us that Mother Jones is not left wing, anti gun, anti NRA....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Number of mass public shootings........


2016 may need to be updated.....it was three and they did update to include dallas........

2016....4

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.

2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Deaths from mass shootings 2015..... 37

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

 

[hauke]

don t waist this place your nummbers are irrelevant, i tryed to tell you this by comedy

you just invent those nummbers or they may be real does not matter your waisting space

you say they are real but do not give any confirmation so they are invented

and you present them in a way which waists space so your an ashole for waisting space in a dialog

 

[Hiryuu]

btw none of the arms bearing guys answered if usa citizens are allowed to bear nuclear weapons its an arm so if usa citzens are allowed to bear arms, they should be allowed nuclear bombs. yes neither assault rifles nor nuclear bombs where foreseen by the founding fathers when the 2nd amendmend was made

the arms your supposed to have are muskets

very 1776 not 2016

It has been answered, but you probably missed it. On the same note though, did you know that the federal government has more restrictions on black powder storage (bulk) and accounting than modern weapons? Maybe you should petition the federal government, in attempts to get back up to speed with the whole muzzleloader issue.

 

[Hiryuu]

don t waist this place your nummbers are irrelevant, i tryed to tell you this by comedy

you just invent those nummbers or they may be real does not matter your waisting space

you say they are real but do not give any confirmation so they are invented

and you present them in a way which waists space so your an ashole for waisting space in a dialog

This is the only "waisted" space applicable to the discussion.

 

[Nosmo King]

the 2nd amendmend was made in 1784 when arms meant muzzle loaded muskets.

not assault rifles machineguns tanks nuclear weapons

I have a sterling record as a gun control advocate on this board. I believe that assault weapons are, in fact, a public health hazard.

But I understand that the constitution is elastic enough to cover changes in technology. Certainly the founding fathers could not conceive of machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, thermonuclear warheads.

But the could not envisage computers, telephones and the internet either. When the 4th amendment speaks of unwarranted searches and seizures of 'letters', we understand that this extends to computers and e-mails as well. Faxes, telephone communications, and personal messages are just as private as posted letters.

Let us then assume that semi-automatic weapons, as dangerous and unnecessary as they are, can be considered 'arms' under the meaning of the second amendment.

Now, the constitution was written for the people. It is not a suicide pact. It is, in fact, an elastic document that serves successive generations as it served our predecessors.

How are they a health hazard.......? Numbers and facts should show that..right...but they don't....there is not one fact that supports what you believe.....

about 8 million rifles with detachable magazines in this country, 5 million AR-15s

157 deaths in mass public shootings with rifles with detachable magzines.......in 34 years....

Cars...every single year....33,000...

Knives in 2014...... 1,567.....and over 1,500 every year....

How exactly are they a health hazard...

On the CDC guns are 17 on the top 20 ways to die in this country....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248


How Many Assault Weapons Are There in America? How Much Would It Cost the Government To Buy Them Back?

Add everything together, make all the necessary caveats, carry the two, and we reach the conclusion that there are somewhere around 3,750,000 AR-15-type rifles in the United States today. If there are around 310 million firearms in the USA today, that means these auto-loading assault-style rifles make up around 1 percent of the total arsenal.

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

 

[2aguy]

don t waist this place your nummbers are irrelevant, i tryed to tell you this by comedy

you just invent those nummbers or they may be real does not matter your waisting space

you say they are real but do not give any confirmation so they are invented

and you present them in a way which waists space so your an ashole for waisting space in a dialog

I gave the links...the actual links to the CDC, the FBI and to Mother Jones.......I think it is time the baby sitter got off the Iphone and put you down for a nap....

 

[hauke]

the NRA blocks any scientific studys because they would prove that the nr 1 danger to the safety of citizens in the USA is the NRA. the NRA is the Nr 1 terrorist organization in the USA

 

[2aguy]

the 2nd amendmend was made in 1784 when arms meant muzzle loaded muskets.

not assault rifles machineguns tanks nuclear weapons

I have a sterling record as a gun control advocate on this board. I believe that assault weapons are, in fact, a public health hazard.

But I understand that the constitution is elastic enough to cover changes in technology. Certainly the founding fathers could not conceive of machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, thermonuclear warheads.

But the could not envisage computers, telephones and the internet either. When the 4th amendment speaks of unwarranted searches and seizures of 'letters', we understand that this extends to computers and e-mails as well. Faxes, telephone communications, and personal messages are just as private as posted letters.

Let us then assume that semi-automatic weapons, as dangerous and unnecessary as they are, can be considered 'arms' under the meaning of the second amendment.

Now, the constitution was written for the people. It is not a suicide pact. It is, in fact, an elastic document that serves successive generations as it served our predecessors.

How are they a health hazard.......? Numbers and facts should show that..right...but they don't....there is not one fact that supports what you believe.....

about 8 million rifles with detachable magazines in this country, 5 million AR-15s

157 deaths in mass public shootings with rifles with detachable magzines.......in 34 years....

Cars...every single year....33,000...

Knives in 2014...... 1,567.....and over 1,500 every year....

How exactly are they a health hazard...

On the CDC guns are 17 on the top 20 ways to die in this country....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248


How Many Assault Weapons Are There in America? How Much Would It Cost the Government To Buy Them Back?

Add everything together, make all the necessary caveats, carry the two, and we reach the conclusion that there are somewhere around 3,750,000 AR-15-type rifles in the United States today. If there are around 310 million firearms in the USA today, that means these auto-loading assault-style rifles make up around 1 percent of the total arsenal.

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

1) I used all rifles with detachable magazines and went through each shooting on the Mother Jones list from 1982-2016...they list all of the weapons found on the mass shooter....wether he used those for the shooting or not......

2) A mass shooting according to Mother Jones is the new standard set by obama....3 or more dead in a public place

3) The NRA has not blocked any research....I have listed over and over again the gun research done by the CDC....

 

[Hiryuu]

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

Hey, I understand and respect your position on the issue, but I really don't think there is a great movement to progress the idea that firearms aren't dangerous. The problem people keep running into is the fact our right to bear arms is protected in the Constitution. I am not sure anyone decided to protect that right because firearms were safe, and it probably had more to do with the fact they can kill people.

As much as people like to try and bastardize the Constitution with interpretations, I wonder exactly what the heck they think protecting the "free State" means, or what the militia was for. As a hint, it doesn't have squat to do with hunting.

 

[2aguy]

the 2nd amendmend was made in 1784 when arms meant muzzle loaded muskets.

not assault rifles machineguns tanks nuclear weapons

I have a sterling record as a gun control advocate on this board. I believe that assault weapons are, in fact, a public health hazard.

But I understand that the constitution is elastic enough to cover changes in technology. Certainly the founding fathers could not conceive of machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, thermonuclear warheads.

But the could not envisage computers, telephones and the internet either. When the 4th amendment speaks of unwarranted searches and seizures of 'letters', we understand that this extends to computers and e-mails as well. Faxes, telephone communications, and personal messages are just as private as posted letters.

Let us then assume that semi-automatic weapons, as dangerous and unnecessary as they are, can be considered 'arms' under the meaning of the second amendment.

Now, the constitution was written for the people. It is not a suicide pact. It is, in fact, an elastic document that serves successive generations as it served our predecessors.

How are they a health hazard.......? Numbers and facts should show that..right...but they don't....there is not one fact that supports what you believe.....

about 8 million rifles with detachable magazines in this country, 5 million AR-15s

157 deaths in mass public shootings with rifles with detachable magzines.......in 34 years....

Cars...every single year....33,000...

Knives in 2014...... 1,567.....and over 1,500 every year....

How exactly are they a health hazard...

On the CDC guns are 17 on the top 20 ways to die in this country....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248


How Many Assault Weapons Are There in America? How Much Would It Cost the Government To Buy Them Back?

Add everything together, make all the necessary caveats, carry the two, and we reach the conclusion that there are somewhere around 3,750,000 AR-15-type rifles in the United States today. If there are around 310 million firearms in the USA today, that means these auto-loading assault-style rifles make up around 1 percent of the total arsenal.

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

This is the short list of gun research by the CDC........

This is some gun research from the CEC in 2006....

Violence-Related Firearm Deaths Among Residents of Metropolitan Areas and Cities --- United States, 2006--2007

And this one....

Source of Firearms Used by Students in School-Associated Violent Deaths --- United States, 1992--1999

And this one....

http://www.thecommunityguide.org/violence/viol-AJPM-evrev-firearms-law.pdf

And this one....

Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998

And this one....

Firearm Homicides and Suicides in Major Metropolitan Areas — United States, 2006–2007 and 2009–2010

And this one...

Indoor Firing Ranges and Elevated Blood Lead Levels — United States, 2002–2013

And this one....

Rates of Homicide, Suicide, and Firearm-Related Death Among Children -- 26 Industrialized Countries


==================

The Deleware study of 2015...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/us/cdc-gun-violence-wilmington.html?_r=0

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.



They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
.-------



The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

 

[2aguy]

the 2nd amendmend was made in 1784 when arms meant muzzle loaded muskets.

not assault rifles machineguns tanks nuclear weapons

I have a sterling record as a gun control advocate on this board. I believe that assault weapons are, in fact, a public health hazard.

But I understand that the constitution is elastic enough to cover changes in technology. Certainly the founding fathers could not conceive of machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, thermonuclear warheads.

But the could not envisage computers, telephones and the internet either. When the 4th amendment speaks of unwarranted searches and seizures of 'letters', we understand that this extends to computers and e-mails as well. Faxes, telephone communications, and personal messages are just as private as posted letters.

Let us then assume that semi-automatic weapons, as dangerous and unnecessary as they are, can be considered 'arms' under the meaning of the second amendment.

Now, the constitution was written for the people. It is not a suicide pact. It is, in fact, an elastic document that serves successive generations as it served our predecessors.

How are they a health hazard.......? Numbers and facts should show that..right...but they don't....there is not one fact that supports what you believe.....

about 8 million rifles with detachable magazines in this country, 5 million AR-15s

157 deaths in mass public shootings with rifles with detachable magzines.......in 34 years....

Cars...every single year....33,000...

Knives in 2014...... 1,567.....and over 1,500 every year....

How exactly are they a health hazard...

On the CDC guns are 17 on the top 20 ways to die in this country....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248


How Many Assault Weapons Are There in America? How Much Would It Cost the Government To Buy Them Back?

Add everything together, make all the necessary caveats, carry the two, and we reach the conclusion that there are somewhere around 3,750,000 AR-15-type rifles in the United States today. If there are around 310 million firearms in the USA today, that means these auto-loading assault-style rifles make up around 1 percent of the total arsenal.

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

There are 357,000,000 guns in private hands...........


Guns are used 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives, many times to stop mass public shootings....

They are were used, illegally, to commit the illegal act of murder 8,124 times in 2014.......

There were 586 accidental gun deaths in 2015....out of 357,000,000 guns in private hands.......

Cars killed 33,000 and injured 2 million......

 

[2aguy]

the 2nd amendmend was made in 1784 when arms meant muzzle loaded muskets.

not assault rifles machineguns tanks nuclear weapons

I have a sterling record as a gun control advocate on this board. I believe that assault weapons are, in fact, a public health hazard.

But I understand that the constitution is elastic enough to cover changes in technology. Certainly the founding fathers could not conceive of machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, thermonuclear warheads.

But the could not envisage computers, telephones and the internet either. When the 4th amendment speaks of unwarranted searches and seizures of 'letters', we understand that this extends to computers and e-mails as well. Faxes, telephone communications, and personal messages are just as private as posted letters.

Let us then assume that semi-automatic weapons, as dangerous and unnecessary as they are, can be considered 'arms' under the meaning of the second amendment.

Now, the constitution was written for the people. It is not a suicide pact. It is, in fact, an elastic document that serves successive generations as it served our predecessors.

How are they a health hazard.......? Numbers and facts should show that..right...but they don't....there is not one fact that supports what you believe.....

about 8 million rifles with detachable magazines in this country, 5 million AR-15s

157 deaths in mass public shootings with rifles with detachable magzines.......in 34 years....

Cars...every single year....33,000...

Knives in 2014...... 1,567.....and over 1,500 every year....

How exactly are they a health hazard...

On the CDC guns are 17 on the top 20 ways to die in this country....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248


How Many Assault Weapons Are There in America? How Much Would It Cost the Government To Buy Them Back?

Add everything together, make all the necessary caveats, carry the two, and we reach the conclusion that there are somewhere around 3,750,000 AR-15-type rifles in the United States today. If there are around 310 million firearms in the USA today, that means these auto-loading assault-style rifles make up around 1 percent of the total arsenal.

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

I suggest you go to the Mother Jones link.....and count the numbers yourself.........I used Rifles with detachable magazines as the standard.......that would include AR-15s, mini-14s, AK-47s, AK-74s and any weapon using a detachable magazine...

I did not count bolt action rifles, or shotguns or semi-auto pistols.......which some anti gun sites now include as Assault weapons...

 

[flacaltenn]

and in 1787 that means every man got a musket

not a sniper rifle killing at 1.5 km

Go look up Marques of Reprisal in the Constitution and what it means. At the founding, CITIZENS could own the equivalent of BATTLESHIPS. And they could be chartered and PAID to go kill Islamic pirates and other entities.

6 or 8 cannons on a fast ship was state of the naval art. I think it was pretty clear what the "intent" was.

 

[2aguy]

the 2nd amendmend was made in 1784 when arms meant muzzle loaded muskets.

not assault rifles machineguns tanks nuclear weapons

I have a sterling record as a gun control advocate on this board. I believe that assault weapons are, in fact, a public health hazard.

But I understand that the constitution is elastic enough to cover changes in technology. Certainly the founding fathers could not conceive of machine guns, rocket propelled grenades, thermonuclear warheads.

But the could not envisage computers, telephones and the internet either. When the 4th amendment speaks of unwarranted searches and seizures of 'letters', we understand that this extends to computers and e-mails as well. Faxes, telephone communications, and personal messages are just as private as posted letters.

Let us then assume that semi-automatic weapons, as dangerous and unnecessary as they are, can be considered 'arms' under the meaning of the second amendment.

Now, the constitution was written for the people. It is not a suicide pact. It is, in fact, an elastic document that serves successive generations as it served our predecessors.

How are they a health hazard.......? Numbers and facts should show that..right...but they don't....there is not one fact that supports what you believe.....

about 8 million rifles with detachable magazines in this country, 5 million AR-15s

157 deaths in mass public shootings with rifles with detachable magzines.......in 34 years....

Cars...every single year....33,000...

Knives in 2014...... 1,567.....and over 1,500 every year....

How exactly are they a health hazard...

On the CDC guns are 17 on the top 20 ways to die in this country....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248


How Many Assault Weapons Are There in America? How Much Would It Cost the Government To Buy Them Back?

Add everything together, make all the necessary caveats, carry the two, and we reach the conclusion that there are somewhere around 3,750,000 AR-15-type rifles in the United States today. If there are around 310 million firearms in the USA today, that means these auto-loading assault-style rifles make up around 1 percent of the total arsenal.

The class of assault weapons goes beyond the AR-15. What defines a 'mass shooting' among your statistics? Why has the NRA blocked funding for a proper study of gun death by the CDC?

If the Ford Pinto and lawn darts can be considered health hazards, why not the gun?

Here is the link to Mother Jones...it is kind of annoying because they do include all the details of the shooting so you have to side scroll, or I did anyway......

If your count is different from mine, please let me know........

 

[2aguy]

the NRA blocks any scientific studys because they would prove that the nr 1 danger to the safety of citizens in the USA is the NRA. the NRA is the Nr 1 terrorist organization in the USA

Do you realize that homicide by gun is 17 out of the top 20 causes of death at the CDC?