Here's Why To Not Let Your State Go Blue

[IsaacNewton]

After a while you just go blue, it stays with you. Like Coooostanza.

Says with you. Like guilt over Arthur Shawcross and Willie Horton. And many others. You know their names don't you ?

No but they are apparently an Olympic syncronized swim team that constantly swim in your brain. Turn the PC off and go get some air.

 

[asaratis]

He should have hung the day after his trial. Problem solved.

Never happen with Democrats at the controls.

That makes a ton of more government that's not really necessary.

Lawyers, jailers, judges, administrators.

That's why the liberals like that approach....it feeds and procreates lawyers.

 

[protectionist]

Why are you so focused on women? The idea that they "might have been paid off" is ridiculous and misogynist. Why do you believe males and not females? Your bigotry is showing. We know that trump is sexual trash out of his own mouth. moore is a member of a patriarchal cult that makes no secret of adult men sexually pursuing teenage girls and making stupid, misogynistic comments like telling women not to run for office, "purity" only for girls, training women and girls to obey their masters and screw them when they snap their fingers. Both of these boys have bad, actually filthy reputations already.

In this case, I don't make any conclusion other than the fact that these women said nothing for decades, and all of a sudden right before 2 elections (that Democrats loaded with cash, want ti win), here they are popping off in front of the TV cameras.

There is no hard evidence. But there's a ton of circumstantial. All pointing to these women taking bribes to accuse Trump and Moore. One might ask if they were going to accuse, why didn't they do it in all these years (and decades) ? Why now ? Right before an election.

 

[IM2]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

I live in Kansas, a state thoroughly screwed by republicans..What exactly has Ann Coulter ever done make people think we should actually listen to her opinion?

 

[protectionist]

Sure bud, when has Trump ever moved his arms like that when mocking someone else? Ann Coulter was attempting to point out that he has made fun of others the same way, she lied.

Really? Your ability to not refute something is quite amazing.

How about when Ann Coulter said 100% of heroin/fentanyl epidemic would be solved by building the wall? If that's not talking out of your ass then I don't know what is.

As the Rock of WWE fame would say >> "IT DOESN'T MATTER" about the arms. All tat matters id that Trump was referring to Kovalski's lying words bout his Washington Post article. I refuted you, and you were clueless on this years after it occured, so don't try to take the high ground on me, Ms Know Nothing.

And since you want to do the "how about" thing OK, I'll play that game with you ? HOW ABOUT all these people ?...who I had never heard of until I read Ann's book Mugged,(page 22-92) I'll bet my last $ in the bank you never heard of them either. Go ahead read. Find out how much you don't know.

>> Eleanor Bumpurs, Micheal Stewart, Larry Davis, Lemrick Nelson, Kiko Garcia, Marla Hanson, Marion Barry, Edward Summers, Robert Chambers, Michael Lasane, the Howard Beach case, Ann Viner/Evelyn Wagler, Channon Christian/Chistopher Newsom, White gangs at Columbia University (1987), Sabrina Collins (Emory University), Gilbert Moore, Jr (Williams College), Alicia Hardin (Trinity Intl Univ.-2005), Tawana Brawley, Laurie Hecht, etc.
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[IM2]

Adam's apple Ann Coulter is a good conservative writer? That's funny.

She is one of the very best in the world. Hands down. She has authored many books, all carefully sourced/footnoted, and her books are a warehouse of knowledge, 95% of which you probably don't have.

I could post a long list of names of people from her books, all of major political significance, and my guess is you'll know of none of them. You talk ignorance, as do most typical information-deprived liberals.

Best in the world at what?

 

[protectionist]

Best in the world at what?

Filling in your empty head about all the people in Post # 145, and the crime cases they were involved with, that you never heard of.

>> Eleanor Bumpurs, Micheal Stewart, Larry Davis, Lemrick Nelson, Kiko Garcia, Marla Hanson, Marion Barry, Edward Summers, Robert Chambers, Michael Lasane, the Howard Beach case, Ann Viner/Evelyn Wagler, Channon Christian/Chistopher Newsom, White gangs at Columbia University (1987), Sabrina Collins (Emory University), Gilbert Moore, Jr (Williams College), Alicia Hardin (Trinity Intl Univ.-2005), Tawana Brawley, Laurie Hecht, etc.

 

[protectionist]

I live in Kansas, a state thoroughly screwed by republicans..What exactly has Ann Coulter ever done make people think we should actually listen to her opinion?

Informed us about the way Democrats have wrecked our society. Read the books and learn about it. Try Mugged (pg 22-92) You'll be amazed how much the liberal media has been withholding from you.

 

[protectionist]

No... .

So then cure your ignorance - READ the books, and LEARN, instead of jumping in here all airhead, and posting nothing.

 

[protectionist]

And while you dupes are distracted with silly stories, your GOP brain washers Rob the country blind and screw you and your family and friends. Idiots...

And while you dupes are kept ignorant of important reports, your Democrat brain washers Rob the country blind, with illegal aliens stealing your jobs by the millions, and screw you and your family and friends, by pillaging your economy for $138 Billion in remittances$$ every year + tens of Billions$ more, via the anchor baby racket. Idiots.

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016

 

[HappyJoy]

Sure bud, when has Trump ever moved his arms like that when mocking someone else? Ann Coulter was attempting to point out that he has made fun of others the same way, she lied.

Really? Your ability to not refute something is quite amazing.

How about when Ann Coulter said 100% of heroin/fentanyl epidemic would be solved by building the wall? If that's not talking out of your ass then I don't know what is.

As the Rock of WWE fame would say >> "IT DOESN'T MATTER" about the arms. All tat matters id that Trump was referring to Kovalski's lying words bout his Washington Post article. I refuted you, and you were clueless on this years after it occured, so don't try to take the high ground on me, Ms Know Nothing..
↑

You didn't refute anything for starters. Secondly you couldn't even bother to defend Coulter's argument on this, because she lied.

 

[mudwhistle]

Adam's apple Ann Coulter is a good conservative writer? That's funny.

That's real funny.
Obviously you think raping and murdering children is funny too.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

The Democratic Party needs more poor uneducated voters who hate Americans.
That is why they want open borders.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

protectionist(op)'s point is that the Democrats spread crime.
He is correct.
The Democrats identify with criminals.
They regard themselves and criminals as the victims of society.
The Democratic Party registers convicted felons to vote.
The Blue Democrat parts of our state are where the concentrations of crime and poverty are.
The Democrats are a step backwards both economically and culturally.

 

[francoHFW]

And while you dupes are distracted with silly stories, your GOP brain washers Rob the country blind and screw you and your family and friends. Idiots...

And while you dupes are kept ignorant of important reports, your Democrat brain washers Rob the country blind, with illegal aliens stealing your jobs by the millions, and screw you and your family and friends, by pillaging your economy for $138 Billion in remittances$$ every year + tens of Billions$ more, via the anchor baby racket. Idiots.

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016

The Democratic immigration bill of 2010 had a SS ID card that would have stopped illegal immigration, silly Dupe. The The GOP will keep this crap going forever. Wall is useless.

 

[francoHFW]

protectionist(op)'s point is that the Democrats spread crime.
He is correct.
The Democrats identify with criminals.
They regard themselves and criminals as the victims of society.
The Democratic Party registers convicted felons to vote.
The Blue Democrat parts of our state are where the concentrations of crime and poverty are.
The Democrats are a step backwards both economically and culturally.

GOP Law & order Madness keeps felons criminals. Let them work stupid.

 

[francoHFW]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

The Democratic Party needs more poor uneducated voters who hate Americans.
That is why they want open borders.

No one wants open borders, dupe. Hillary was talking about trade ya goddamn brainwashed functional moron.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

The Democratic Party needs more poor uneducated voters who hate Americans.
That is why they want open borders.

No one wants open borders, dupe. Hillary was talking about trade ya goddamn brainwashed functional moron.

Opposing the border wall is advocating open borders.
All countries control their border crossings.
The Democrats are backwards people.

 

[RealDave]

Jesus fuck you are stupid. You know damn well what is being discussed but you in your dishonesty & inability to make an argument, fall back on dumb shit like this.

I'd rather live in as community of illegal immigrants than a community of your ilk. I can live better without the bigotry & hate you spew.

"Dumb shit" like the LAW, and the millions of illegal invaders who have broken it ? Liberalism is a mental disorder.

As for "hate" it can be good or bad. One thing I hate is imperialist countries (Mexico, China, India, Phillipines, etc) invading my country with millions of illegal aliens, who steal jobs, and pillage the economy for $138 Billion/year (remittances$$$) + tens of Billions$ more in the anchor baby racket, as well as impose all the harms of immigration* upon the American people.

I also hate traitor "Americans" who support all this 21st century style imperialism. Like you.

* Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($138 Billion/year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

17. Influx of terrorists.

And the tax money they pay into the system.

Immigration should be all legal.

Your claims as to the crime rate are wrong.

You have no clue what a sanctuary city is.

 

[RealDave]

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

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Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

The Democratic Party needs more poor uneducated voters who hate Americans.
That is why they want open borders.

No one wants open borders, dupe. Hillary was talking about trade ya goddamn brainwashed functional moron.

Opposing the border wall is advocating open borders.
All countries control their border crossings.
The Democrats are backwards people.

Wow, another stupid fucking Trumpettre.

I crossed trhe border into Mexico in Bisbee, AZ this past summer. Guess what? There was this double fence & we had to go through a border crossing & show ID & shit.

'Really?