--------------------------------- yeah , you are getting very apologetic for islam and posting silly stuff . muslim world has been a problem and its been since the invention of islam in about 750 - 800 AD and then their invasion and occupation of Spain for about 700 years . As I said , the blind shiek and trade towers bombing [was it 1993] ?? Lockerbie plane bombing and then the 1972 Olympics . Then there was the ship the 'achille lauru' [sp] where the muslims threw 'leon klinghoffer' overboard in his wheelchair . Americas first war was with muslims in the early 1800s . islam is a pox on the human race but I really only care that islam is a pox on the Western World . Anyway , everything I mention was years before 'gwb' FWierdo .So, 9-11 was islam when it was NOT annoyed.
Oh, do we really have to take this in a ridiculously simple manner? Can't we accept that this is all very complex and than deal with it in a complex manner?
9/11 was a result of many, many years of foreign policy. However the number of jihadists was relatively low compared to current times. Many jihadists become jihadists because of the Iraq war.
Your previous post was pretty simple.
If regular on the street muslims were turned into jihadists because they were so offended that would strike back at those who killed us by the THousands, then they were full of complex and nuanced issues that predisposed them to become unstable and dangerous.
AND as such, we don't want them in this country.
Because it seems it doesn't take much to lead to lots of dead Americans.
Oh jeezus.
I mean, if your country were invaded by another country that considered itself superior (let's have the scenario of China in 30 years time) and then took your oil, and made you a puppet of their government. Would you not want to fight back? Would you not think that going to China and killing some people would be a good idea?
If the answer is yes, then surely you don't want AMERICANS in your country.
We did not invade most muslim countries. We invaded two that gave us great cause.
We did not take their oil.
We did not make them a puppet.
If the muslims man on the street needed US to just take 9-11 without fighting back, OR they would become jihadists, then they were strongly predisposed to it in the first place and we don't want that crazy in our country.
No, the US didn't invade most Muslim countries. However it does have massive negatives with many Muslim countries over the past 70 years or so.
Iran/Iraq War and the US sold weapons to the Iraqis and Iranians.
Iran with the Shah.
Lebanon
Libya, the bombing of and other such stuff
Supporting Israel's rather unethical wars and policies
Somalia
I could go on, and on, and on. But these are some of the big ones.
When the US went into Afghanistan, a lot of people thought the US had the moral right to do so. Not all, quite a few Muslims took up arms and went to fight Jihad there. However had it stayed at Afghanistan I don't think there'd have been many problems that we're seeing now.
Iraq was the big one. Why? It showed American arrogance.
This was not fighting against those who had attacked the US. This was not about 9/11. The US lied and lied and lied to make this war happen and people could see the lies. America was being the baddy, the evil one, and this fueled a LOT of anger and resentment, and brought up all the history and problems in the region and the right and far right in Muslim countries didn't need to try hard to convince the people where the problem lay. Even Muslims in the US, UK, France, Belgium were willing to kill for what they saw.
If you don't make the effort to understand other peoples and then you go around invading and expecting them to worship you as heroes, and then it turns out they hate you, then maybe you need better intelligence, and leaders who won't ask for intelligence to be made up to suit their agenda.
As for "didn't take the oil", er.....
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Iraqi oil production much higher than ever, isn't that what the US wanted? Lower oil prices globally due to increased oil production and OPEC having less control?
Petroleum industry in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of oil companies in Iraq by gross revenue
Exxon, US
CNPC, China
BP, UK
Lukoil, Russia
Shell, Netherlands
ENI, Italy
Not a single Iraqi oil company, not there, not further down the list.
Foreign companies are making an absolute killing in Iraq.
Exxon has a 60% share in the West Qurna Field, pays low service fees. They're making loads of profits, as are companies like BP and Shell with lots of US shareholders too.
BP's number one shareholder is Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, LLC, they're an American company.
Second major share holder is State Street Corporation, an American company
Third major shareholder is Franklin Resources, Inc, an American company
Do you see where this is going?
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