Hillary expresses sympathy, Trump boasts about Orlando

So, 9-11 was islam when it was NOT annoyed.

Oh, do we really have to take this in a ridiculously simple manner? Can't we accept that this is all very complex and than deal with it in a complex manner?

9/11 was a result of many, many years of foreign policy. However the number of jihadists was relatively low compared to current times. Many jihadists become jihadists because of the Iraq war.



Your previous post was pretty simple.

If regular on the street muslims were turned into jihadists because they were so offended that would strike back at those who killed us by the THousands, then they were full of complex and nuanced issues that predisposed them to become unstable and dangerous.

AND as such, we don't want them in this country.

Because it seems it doesn't take much to lead to lots of dead Americans.

Oh jeezus.

I mean, if your country were invaded by another country that considered itself superior (let's have the scenario of China in 30 years time) and then took your oil, and made you a puppet of their government. Would you not want to fight back? Would you not think that going to China and killing some people would be a good idea?

If the answer is yes, then surely you don't want AMERICANS in your country.


We did not invade most muslim countries. We invaded two that gave us great cause.

We did not take their oil.

We did not make them a puppet.


If the muslims man on the street needed US to just take 9-11 without fighting back, OR they would become jihadists, then they were strongly predisposed to it in the first place and we don't want that crazy in our country.

No, the US didn't invade most Muslim countries. However it does have massive negatives with many Muslim countries over the past 70 years or so.

Iran/Iraq War and the US sold weapons to the Iraqis and Iranians.
Iran with the Shah.
Lebanon
Libya, the bombing of and other such stuff
Supporting Israel's rather unethical wars and policies
Somalia

I could go on, and on, and on. But these are some of the big ones.

When the US went into Afghanistan, a lot of people thought the US had the moral right to do so. Not all, quite a few Muslims took up arms and went to fight Jihad there. However had it stayed at Afghanistan I don't think there'd have been many problems that we're seeing now.

Iraq was the big one. Why? It showed American arrogance.

This was not fighting against those who had attacked the US. This was not about 9/11. The US lied and lied and lied to make this war happen and people could see the lies. America was being the baddy, the evil one, and this fueled a LOT of anger and resentment, and brought up all the history and problems in the region and the right and far right in Muslim countries didn't need to try hard to convince the people where the problem lay. Even Muslims in the US, UK, France, Belgium were willing to kill for what they saw.

If you don't make the effort to understand other peoples and then you go around invading and expecting them to worship you as heroes, and then it turns out they hate you, then maybe you need better intelligence, and leaders who won't ask for intelligence to be made up to suit their agenda.

As for "didn't take the oil", er.....

OilProduction.Iraq1990-2015.png


Iraqi oil production much higher than ever, isn't that what the US wanted? Lower oil prices globally due to increased oil production and OPEC having less control?

Petroleum industry in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of oil companies in Iraq by gross revenue

Exxon, US
CNPC, China
BP, UK
Lukoil, Russia
Shell, Netherlands
ENI, Italy

Not a single Iraqi oil company, not there, not further down the list.

Foreign companies are making an absolute killing in Iraq.

Exxon has a 60% share in the West Qurna Field, pays low service fees. They're making loads of profits, as are companies like BP and Shell with lots of US shareholders too.

BP's number one shareholder is Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, LLC, they're an American company.
Second major share holder is State Street Corporation, an American company
Third major shareholder is Franklin Resources, Inc, an American company


Do you see where this is going?
--------------------------------- yeah , you are getting very apologetic for islam and posting silly stuff . muslim world has been a problem and its been since the invention of islam in about 750 - 800 AD and then their invasion and occupation of Spain for about 700 years . As I said , the blind shiek and trade towers bombing [was it 1993] ?? Lockerbie plane bombing and then the 1972 Olympics . Then there was the ship the 'achille lauru' [sp] where the muslims threw 'leon klinghoffer' overboard in his wheelchair . Americas first war was with muslims in the early 1800s . islam is a pox on the human race but I really only care that islam is a pox on the Western World . Anyway , everything I mention was years before 'gwb' FWierdo .
 
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Your previous post was pretty simple.

If regular on the street muslims were turned into jihadists because they were so offended that would strike back at those who killed us by the THousands, then they were full of complex and nuanced issues that predisposed them to become unstable and dangerous.

AND as such, we don't want them in this country.

Because it seems it doesn't take much to lead to lots of dead Americans.

Oh jeezus.

I mean, if your country were invaded by another country that considered itself superior (let's have the scenario of China in 30 years time) and then took your oil, and made you a puppet of their government. Would you not want to fight back? Would you not think that going to China and killing some people would be a good idea?

If the answer is yes, then surely you don't want AMERICANS in your country.


We did not invade most muslim countries. We invaded two that gave us great cause.

We did not take their oil.

We did not make them a puppet.


If the muslims man on the street needed US to just take 9-11 without fighting back, OR they would become jihadists, then they were strongly predisposed to it in the first place and we don't want that crazy in our country.

No, the US didn't invade most Muslim countries. However it does have massive negatives with many Muslim countries over the past 70 years or so.

Iran/Iraq War and the US sold weapons to the Iraqis and Iranians.
Iran with the Shah.
Lebanon
Libya, the bombing of and other such stuff
Supporting Israel's rather unethical wars and policies
Somalia

I could go on, and on, and on. But these are some of the big ones.

When the US went into Afghanistan, a lot of people thought the US had the moral right to do so. Not all, quite a few Muslims took up arms and went to fight Jihad there. However had it stayed at Afghanistan I don't think there'd have been many problems that we're seeing now.

Iraq was the big one. Why? It showed American arrogance.

This was not fighting against those who had attacked the US. This was not about 9/11. The US lied and lied and lied to make this war happen and people could see the lies. America was being the baddy, the evil one, and this fueled a LOT of anger and resentment, and brought up all the history and problems in the region and the right and far right in Muslim countries didn't need to try hard to convince the people where the problem lay. Even Muslims in the US, UK, France, Belgium were willing to kill for what they saw.

If you don't make the effort to understand other peoples and then you go around invading and expecting them to worship you as heroes, and then it turns out they hate you, then maybe you need better intelligence, and leaders who won't ask for intelligence to be made up to suit their agenda.

As for "didn't take the oil", er.....

OilProduction.Iraq1990-2015.png


Iraqi oil production much higher than ever, isn't that what the US wanted? Lower oil prices globally due to increased oil production and OPEC having less control?

Petroleum industry in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of oil companies in Iraq by gross revenue

Exxon, US
CNPC, China
BP, UK
Lukoil, Russia
Shell, Netherlands
ENI, Italy

Not a single Iraqi oil company, not there, not further down the list.

Foreign companies are making an absolute killing in Iraq.

Exxon has a 60% share in the West Qurna Field, pays low service fees. They're making loads of profits, as are companies like BP and Shell with lots of US shareholders too.

BP's number one shareholder is Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, LLC, they're an American company.
Second major share holder is State Street Corporation, an American company
Third major shareholder is Franklin Resources, Inc, an American company


Do you see where this is going?

I see perfectly where this is.

You accept the most negative interpretation of events re: America, and the most positive for our enemies.

Not at all. You're just pretending you know what I think about American's enemies. You don't. So stop pretending you do.


I saw what you just posted.

Thus my judgement.

The Iran/Iraq War:

We sold very little to either side.

Iran was our enemy, but Saddam was an ally of the Soviets.

Iraq got the VAST MAJORITY of their stuff from the Soviet Union.

They got the vast majority of the little bit they didn't get from them, from France and Germany.

At some point, when the Iranians were looking like they might actually win, we sold them a little bit of crap to try to avoid that.


The small amount of crap we "sold" to the Iranians was a ransom attempt for innocent hostages.


Your posting that as evidence of our sins shows that you are taking the negative spin for US, and the positive spin for our enemies.
 
Orlando shooting exposes Donald Trump’s biggest weakness: A total lack of empathy

For Frump, it is all about him. Forget the victims. Frump says he called it. Probably high fiving his servants.

Why do you lefties have to lie and take everything out of context?

Part two of the tweet.

'I don't want congrats,' he pushed back. 'I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!'

Trump and Clinton react to the 'devastating' news out of Orlando

There is the difference, the old hag wants to grab guns...Trump wants to be tough and attack the problem....Islamic terrorism

But but but not ALL Muslims that follow Islam are terrorists or potential terrorists, Islam is a religion of peace :rolleyes-41:
Name me one peaceful Islamic country. One that don't treet their women like Cattle. One that doesn't throw gays from roofs of buildings. One that doesn't burn christians for being christians. One that doesn't stone christian women for drinking out of Muslim cups. Name fucking one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then again I can name plenty of fucked up Christian countries. All of the top crime cities in the world are in Christian countries.
-------------------- sure maybe , that's because killing , murder , stonings , beheadings , throwing gays from high places , cutting off hands , legs , feet are all legal in many sharia run muslim lands FWierdo .
 
Oh, do we really have to take this in a ridiculously simple manner? Can't we accept that this is all very complex and than deal with it in a complex manner?

9/11 was a result of many, many years of foreign policy. However the number of jihadists was relatively low compared to current times. Many jihadists become jihadists because of the Iraq war.



Your previous post was pretty simple.

If regular on the street muslims were turned into jihadists because they were so offended that would strike back at those who killed us by the THousands, then they were full of complex and nuanced issues that predisposed them to become unstable and dangerous.

AND as such, we don't want them in this country.

Because it seems it doesn't take much to lead to lots of dead Americans.

Oh jeezus.

I mean, if your country were invaded by another country that considered itself superior (let's have the scenario of China in 30 years time) and then took your oil, and made you a puppet of their government. Would you not want to fight back? Would you not think that going to China and killing some people would be a good idea?

If the answer is yes, then surely you don't want AMERICANS in your country.


We did not invade most muslim countries. We invaded two that gave us great cause.

We did not take their oil.

We did not make them a puppet.


If the muslims man on the street needed US to just take 9-11 without fighting back, OR they would become jihadists, then they were strongly predisposed to it in the first place and we don't want that crazy in our country.

No, the US didn't invade most Muslim countries. However it does have massive negatives with many Muslim countries over the past 70 years or so.

Iran/Iraq War and the US sold weapons to the Iraqis and Iranians.
Iran with the Shah.
Lebanon
Libya, the bombing of and other such stuff
Supporting Israel's rather unethical wars and policies
Somalia

I could go on, and on, and on. But these are some of the big ones.

When the US went into Afghanistan, a lot of people thought the US had the moral right to do so. Not all, quite a few Muslims took up arms and went to fight Jihad there. However had it stayed at Afghanistan I don't think there'd have been many problems that we're seeing now.

Iraq was the big one. Why? It showed American arrogance.

This was not fighting against those who had attacked the US. This was not about 9/11. The US lied and lied and lied to make this war happen and people could see the lies. America was being the baddy, the evil one, and this fueled a LOT of anger and resentment, and brought up all the history and problems in the region and the right and far right in Muslim countries didn't need to try hard to convince the people where the problem lay. Even Muslims in the US, UK, France, Belgium were willing to kill for what they saw.

If you don't make the effort to understand other peoples and then you go around invading and expecting them to worship you as heroes, and then it turns out they hate you, then maybe you need better intelligence, and leaders who won't ask for intelligence to be made up to suit their agenda.

As for "didn't take the oil", er.....

OilProduction.Iraq1990-2015.png


Iraqi oil production much higher than ever, isn't that what the US wanted? Lower oil prices globally due to increased oil production and OPEC having less control?

Petroleum industry in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of oil companies in Iraq by gross revenue

Exxon, US
CNPC, China
BP, UK
Lukoil, Russia
Shell, Netherlands
ENI, Italy

Not a single Iraqi oil company, not there, not further down the list.

Foreign companies are making an absolute killing in Iraq.

Exxon has a 60% share in the West Qurna Field, pays low service fees. They're making loads of profits, as are companies like BP and Shell with lots of US shareholders too.

BP's number one shareholder is Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, LLC, they're an American company.
Second major share holder is State Street Corporation, an American company
Third major shareholder is Franklin Resources, Inc, an American company


Do you see where this is going?
--------------------------------- yeah , you are getting very apologetic for islam and posting silly stuff . muslim world has been a problem and its been since the invention of islam in about 750 - 800 AD and then their invasion and occupation of Spain for about 700 years . As I said , the blind shiek and trade towers bombing [was it 1993] ?? Lockerbie plane bombing and then the 1972 Olympics . Then there was the ship the 'achille lauru' [sp] where the muslims threw 'leon klinghoffer' overboard in his wheelchair . Americas first war was with muslims in the early 1800s . islam is a pox on the human race but I really only care that islam is a pox on the Western World . Anyway , everything I mention was years before 'gwb' FWierdo .

It's become the new "cool" (or black, or whatever) to say the left are "apologizing" for Islam. I'm not apologizing for anything. I'm stating the truth. But since the truth isn't very convenient for you, you will then attack me for this.

Islam invaded Spain, and what? There were English soldiers (crusaders) in what is now Israel, Syria etc before this time. Heard of the Knights Templar? Yeah, their whole task was to protect people going to foreign lands.

Islam, like Christianity, was very, VERY aggressive.

Why do you think most of the Americans are Christian?

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The conquistadores, for example.

I mean, they invaded the whole of Latin America, and now the US invades Iraq and Afghanistan. Should I be making pointless parallels to this and past events about Christians massacring millions of people? Southern and Central Africa are Christian too.
 
Why do you lefties have to lie and take everything out of context?

Part two of the tweet.

'I don't want congrats,' he pushed back. 'I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!'

Trump and Clinton react to the 'devastating' news out of Orlando

There is the difference, the old hag wants to grab guns...Trump wants to be tough and attack the problem....Islamic terrorism

But but but not ALL Muslims that follow Islam are terrorists or potential terrorists, Islam is a religion of peace :rolleyes-41:
Name me one peaceful Islamic country. One that don't treet their women like Cattle. One that doesn't throw gays from roofs of buildings. One that doesn't burn christians for being christians. One that doesn't stone christian women for drinking out of Muslim cups. Name fucking one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then again I can name plenty of fucked up Christian countries. All of the top crime cities in the world are in Christian countries.
-------------------- sure maybe , that's because killing , murder , stonings , beheadings , throwing gays from high places , cutting off hands , legs , feet are all legal in many sharia run muslim lands FWierdo .

I didn't say anything about ISIS doing bad things. China executes more people than any other country, but has low crime. Are you saying when the US executes people, that it's a crime?
 
Oh jeezus.

I mean, if your country were invaded by another country that considered itself superior (let's have the scenario of China in 30 years time) and then took your oil, and made you a puppet of their government. Would you not want to fight back? Would you not think that going to China and killing some people would be a good idea?

If the answer is yes, then surely you don't want AMERICANS in your country.


We did not invade most muslim countries. We invaded two that gave us great cause.

We did not take their oil.

We did not make them a puppet.


If the muslims man on the street needed US to just take 9-11 without fighting back, OR they would become jihadists, then they were strongly predisposed to it in the first place and we don't want that crazy in our country.

No, the US didn't invade most Muslim countries. However it does have massive negatives with many Muslim countries over the past 70 years or so.

Iran/Iraq War and the US sold weapons to the Iraqis and Iranians.
Iran with the Shah.
Lebanon
Libya, the bombing of and other such stuff
Supporting Israel's rather unethical wars and policies
Somalia

I could go on, and on, and on. But these are some of the big ones.

When the US went into Afghanistan, a lot of people thought the US had the moral right to do so. Not all, quite a few Muslims took up arms and went to fight Jihad there. However had it stayed at Afghanistan I don't think there'd have been many problems that we're seeing now.

Iraq was the big one. Why? It showed American arrogance.

This was not fighting against those who had attacked the US. This was not about 9/11. The US lied and lied and lied to make this war happen and people could see the lies. America was being the baddy, the evil one, and this fueled a LOT of anger and resentment, and brought up all the history and problems in the region and the right and far right in Muslim countries didn't need to try hard to convince the people where the problem lay. Even Muslims in the US, UK, France, Belgium were willing to kill for what they saw.

If you don't make the effort to understand other peoples and then you go around invading and expecting them to worship you as heroes, and then it turns out they hate you, then maybe you need better intelligence, and leaders who won't ask for intelligence to be made up to suit their agenda.

As for "didn't take the oil", er.....

OilProduction.Iraq1990-2015.png


Iraqi oil production much higher than ever, isn't that what the US wanted? Lower oil prices globally due to increased oil production and OPEC having less control?

Petroleum industry in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of oil companies in Iraq by gross revenue

Exxon, US
CNPC, China
BP, UK
Lukoil, Russia
Shell, Netherlands
ENI, Italy

Not a single Iraqi oil company, not there, not further down the list.

Foreign companies are making an absolute killing in Iraq.

Exxon has a 60% share in the West Qurna Field, pays low service fees. They're making loads of profits, as are companies like BP and Shell with lots of US shareholders too.

BP's number one shareholder is Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, LLC, they're an American company.
Second major share holder is State Street Corporation, an American company
Third major shareholder is Franklin Resources, Inc, an American company


Do you see where this is going?

I see perfectly where this is.

You accept the most negative interpretation of events re: America, and the most positive for our enemies.

Not at all. You're just pretending you know what I think about American's enemies. You don't. So stop pretending you do.


I saw what you just posted.

Thus my judgement.

The Iran/Iraq War:

We sold very little to either side.

Iran was our enemy, but Saddam was an ally of the Soviets.

Iraq got the VAST MAJORITY of their stuff from the Soviet Union.

They got the vast majority of the little bit they didn't get from them, from France and Germany.

At some point, when the Iranians were looking like they might actually win, we sold them a little bit of crap to try to avoid that.


The small amount of crap we "sold" to the Iranians was a ransom attempt for innocent hostages.


Your posting that as evidence of our sins shows that you are taking the negative spin for US, and the positive spin for our enemies.

How much the US sold is neither here nor there. The US supported both sides. You have to understand the impact on the people in the region on such things.
 
But the old hag didn't miss a chance to push the anti gun agenda did she?

Never let a good tragedy, or dead children, or dead black people, or dead gay people go to waste.

The Democrat elite love it when mass shootings happen. It stirs up the fear they need to get what they want.
 
So is Donnie still making his victory lap after the shooting? But please no "Congrats" for him...
 
We did not invade most muslim countries. We invaded two that gave us great cause.

We did not take their oil.

We did not make them a puppet.


If the muslims man on the street needed US to just take 9-11 without fighting back, OR they would become jihadists, then they were strongly predisposed to it in the first place and we don't want that crazy in our country.

No, the US didn't invade most Muslim countries. However it does have massive negatives with many Muslim countries over the past 70 years or so.

Iran/Iraq War and the US sold weapons to the Iraqis and Iranians.
Iran with the Shah.
Lebanon
Libya, the bombing of and other such stuff
Supporting Israel's rather unethical wars and policies
Somalia

I could go on, and on, and on. But these are some of the big ones.

When the US went into Afghanistan, a lot of people thought the US had the moral right to do so. Not all, quite a few Muslims took up arms and went to fight Jihad there. However had it stayed at Afghanistan I don't think there'd have been many problems that we're seeing now.

Iraq was the big one. Why? It showed American arrogance.

This was not fighting against those who had attacked the US. This was not about 9/11. The US lied and lied and lied to make this war happen and people could see the lies. America was being the baddy, the evil one, and this fueled a LOT of anger and resentment, and brought up all the history and problems in the region and the right and far right in Muslim countries didn't need to try hard to convince the people where the problem lay. Even Muslims in the US, UK, France, Belgium were willing to kill for what they saw.

If you don't make the effort to understand other peoples and then you go around invading and expecting them to worship you as heroes, and then it turns out they hate you, then maybe you need better intelligence, and leaders who won't ask for intelligence to be made up to suit their agenda.

As for "didn't take the oil", er.....

OilProduction.Iraq1990-2015.png


Iraqi oil production much higher than ever, isn't that what the US wanted? Lower oil prices globally due to increased oil production and OPEC having less control?

Petroleum industry in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of oil companies in Iraq by gross revenue

Exxon, US
CNPC, China
BP, UK
Lukoil, Russia
Shell, Netherlands
ENI, Italy

Not a single Iraqi oil company, not there, not further down the list.

Foreign companies are making an absolute killing in Iraq.

Exxon has a 60% share in the West Qurna Field, pays low service fees. They're making loads of profits, as are companies like BP and Shell with lots of US shareholders too.

BP's number one shareholder is Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, LLC, they're an American company.
Second major share holder is State Street Corporation, an American company
Third major shareholder is Franklin Resources, Inc, an American company


Do you see where this is going?

I see perfectly where this is.

You accept the most negative interpretation of events re: America, and the most positive for our enemies.

Not at all. You're just pretending you know what I think about American's enemies. You don't. So stop pretending you do.


I saw what you just posted.

Thus my judgement.

The Iran/Iraq War:

We sold very little to either side.

Iran was our enemy, but Saddam was an ally of the Soviets.

Iraq got the VAST MAJORITY of their stuff from the Soviet Union.

They got the vast majority of the little bit they didn't get from them, from France and Germany.

At some point, when the Iranians were looking like they might actually win, we sold them a little bit of crap to try to avoid that.


The small amount of crap we "sold" to the Iranians was a ransom attempt for innocent hostages.


Your posting that as evidence of our sins shows that you are taking the negative spin for US, and the positive spin for our enemies.

How much the US sold is neither here nor there. The US supported both sides. You have to understand the impact on the people in the region on such things.


How much and why the US sold is completely relevant to any reasonable analysis of the issue.

Which is WHY you don't want to consider it.

You, as I already pointed out, are accepting the most negative interpretation of events re: America, and the most positive for our enemies.


You are doing this, not to reach a Truth, but to rationalize your pre arrived at conclusion that America is the Bad Guy.
 
So is Donnie still making his victory lap after the shooting? But please no "Congrats" for him...


He predicted more terrorism, d'uh.

When it happened and some of his followers congratulated him on his successful foresight, he rejected the congratulations.

That the left is lying about that, fits what I have been saying months.

The left is lying about Trump.

SO loud and long that they are drowning out the Truth.
 
Amazingly, Frump NEVER expresses any degree of sorrow or empathy. His statement that "I don't want congrats" is the very definition of Narcissism, and Extreme Egomania. he is literally patting himself on the back.

Trump put out a statement wishing condolences for the families of the victims. And?
Trump puts out a statement congratulating himself.
 
So is Donnie still making his victory lap after the shooting? But please no "Congrats" for him...


He predicted more terrorism, d'uh.

When it happened and some of his followers congratulated him on his successful foresight, he rejected the congratulations.

That the left is lying about that, fits what I have been saying months.

The left is lying about Trump.

SO loud and long that they are drowning out the Truth.
Why mention the congratulations at all. Oh, we know.
 
Orlando shooting exposes Donald Trump’s biggest weakness: A total lack of empathy

For Frump, it is all about him. Forget the victims. Frump says he called it. Probably high fiving his servants.

What about Hillary's lack of empathy with victims?

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What about the 300+ Marines killed in Beirut? Seems like that's something the Right didn't give a damn about.
Liberal thinking on display here folks. a registered dem shoots up the place and it's everybodys fault but the dems.
You own this one girly.
 

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