Holy crap, this is really happening.

[Mac1958]

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In 2010 we saw the emergence of the Tea Party and its strong influence in specific geographic areas which led to a ton of congressional victories. It was interesting to see, and a few people wondered out loud whether it was possible for the Tea Party and the GOP to co-exist. At that point, the two were essentially separate.

By 2012 the Tea Party had essentially been folded into the GOP, and an uneasy relationship had developed between the Tea Party, the "establishment" Republicans, and the existing Republican office-holders who moved toward the Tea Party. The electoral results were mixed, at best. At that time we wondered which group was going to win control of the party.

The "final battle" always seemed down the road, in the future, something for guessing and predictions. Some wondered out loud if the party would literally split apart, and that theory, as I recall, was usually rejected by conservatives out of hand. Their thought appeared to be that one side would "win", and that the other side would somehow capitulate.

Well gang, here we are. This party is dividing before our eyes, with open revolt against Boehner; Republicans are attacking each other with the same energy they use on Democrats; no one is capitulating; and the Dems are smiling to themselves. Every headline is "Boehner doesn't have the votes", and I'm hearing more and more that he'll have to bow down before Nancy Pelosi before this thing is over.

This party really may be splitting up. Right now, before our eyes. No more theory.

Any guesses as to what the next five years holds for this party?

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[Pennywise]

The GOP has not represented conservatives in half a century. Presently, the Tea Party devote`s are the only faction in DC that take seriously the idea of a limited federal government as was intended at the time our nation was founded.

The next five years will either see a reformation of the GOP that actually stands for something other than democrat lite, or a third party will emerge and the GOP will go the way of the Whigs.

So many people have been saying forever that there is little difference in the two parties; well perhaps one day soon they will be able to tell once again and vote without having to hold their nose.

This much no one can argue with- Washington DC is a corrupt shit hole filled mostly with people who don't really give a shit what you or I want, and they don't live by the rules they foist upon the rabble. And they do see us as rabble, make no mistake about that.

 

[Claudette]

Nope.

The Tea Partiers were elected to try to bring down the size of Govt and to control spending. Thats was the craze at the time. Apparantly folks have forgotten that just as they forgot how much they hate the ACA. Hence Barry's re-election.

The rest of the GOP is just like the Dems. Spend, Spend, Spend and don't give a shit about the debt or deficit.

I don't know what will become of the party and quite frankly I think both parties suck. They do a good job of taking care of themselves but the rest of us, not so much.

These guys earn a pretty good living, retirement and beneifits at our expense and have voted in all kinds of perks for themselves. Neither party is worth the powder to blow them all to hell in my book.

Neither party gives shit one for the people they are supposedly representing.

 

[zeke]

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In 2010 we saw the emergence of the Tea Party and its strong influence in specific geographic areas which led to a ton of congressional victories. It was interesting to see, and a few people wondered out loud whether it was possible for the Tea Party and the GOP to co-exist. At that point, the two were essentially separate.

By 2012 the Tea Party had essentially been folded into the GOP, and an uneasy relationship had developed between the Tea Party, the "establishment" Republicans, and the existing Republican office-holders who moved toward the Tea Party. The electoral results were mixed, at best. At that time we wondered which group was going to win control of the party.

The "final battle" always seemed down the road, in the future, something for guessing and predictions. Some wondered out loud if the party would literally split apart, and that theory, as I recall, was usually rejected by conservatives out of hand. Their thought appeared to be that one side would "win", and that the other side would somehow capitulate.

Well gang, here we are. This party is dividing before our eyes, with open revolt against Boehner; Republicans are attacking each other with the same energy they use on Democrats; no one is capitulating; and the Dems are smiling to themselves. Every headline is "Boehner doesn't have the votes", and I'm hearing more and more that he'll have to bow down before Nancy Pelosi before this thing is over.

This party really may be splitting up. Right now, before our eyes. No more theory.

Any guesses as to what the next five years holds for this party?

.

Defeat after defeat after defeat. Most Americans (and more every day) now see that the Tbaggers bring absolutely nothing to the table needed to run a country like ours. Nothing. They gotta go. Or at least be so marginalized that they can't continue to do so much harm.

 

[rightwinger]

When is Boehner going to show some balls and tell the TeaTards to stick it?

When are REAL Republicans going to take back their party

 

[Montecresto]

Actually, the ideals of the TP are far more suitable to rebuilding a broken America than anything possibly coming out of main stream GOP or the donkey party.

 

[JoeB131]

I think the Tea Party is nothing new. They are the rash of government hatred that the GOP Breaks out into when they don't control it.

Back in the Clinton years it was the Militias and the Contract with America. But the minute the GOP got back into power, they loved them some government.

In this case, the TEA Party overplayed its hand, they are going to walk away from this trying their best to save face when the government is reopened, the debt limit extended and ObamaCare is here to stay.

And the sugar daddies like the Koch Brothers are going to dry up pretty quickly...

 

[zeke]

Actually, the ideals of the TP are far more suitable to rebuilding a broken America than anything possibly coming out of main stream GOP or the donkey party.

Shutting down the government and defaulting on our debt are things you feel are suitable for rebuilding our country? How's that work?

 

[martybegan]

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In 2010 we saw the emergence of the Tea Party and its strong influence in specific geographic areas which led to a ton of congressional victories. It was interesting to see, and a few people wondered out loud whether it was possible for the Tea Party and the GOP to co-exist. At that point, the two were essentially separate.

By 2012 the Tea Party had essentially been folded into the GOP, and an uneasy relationship had developed between the Tea Party, the "establishment" Republicans, and the existing Republican office-holders who moved toward the Tea Party. The electoral results were mixed, at best. At that time we wondered which group was going to win control of the party.

The "final battle" always seemed down the road, in the future, something for guessing and predictions. Some wondered out loud if the party would literally split apart, and that theory, as I recall, was usually rejected by conservatives out of hand. Their thought appeared to be that one side would "win", and that the other side would somehow capitulate.

Well gang, here we are. This party is dividing before our eyes, with open revolt against Boehner; Republicans are attacking each other with the same energy they use on Democrats; no one is capitulating; and the Dems are smiling to themselves. Every headline is "Boehner doesn't have the votes", and I'm hearing more and more that he'll have to bow down before Nancy Pelosi before this thing is over.

This party really may be splitting up. Right now, before our eyes. No more theory.

Any guesses as to what the next five years holds for this party?

.

Defeat after defeat after defeat. Most Americans (and more every day) now see that the Tbaggers bring absolutely nothing to the table needed to run a country like ours. Nothing. They gotta go. Or at least be so marginalized that they can't continue to do so much harm.

Says the progressive with the plan to drive the country over the cliff. But hey! At least you "Care" about people, so if our children's children are left with massive amounts of debt and a broken country after you are dead, WHO CARES? You got yours.

 

[JoeB131]

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Says the progressive with the plan to drive the country over the cliff. But hey! At least you "Care" about people, so if our children's children are left with massive amounts of debt and a broken country after you are dead, WHO CARES? You got yours.

Again, if we started making the rich pay their fair share and stopped shipping out half a trillion dollars every year in "Free Trade", we'd have plenty of money to pay our bills.

 

[Montecresto]

Actually, the ideals of the TP are far more suitable to rebuilding a broken America than anything possibly coming out of main stream GOP or the donkey party.

Shutting down the government and defaulting on our debt are things you feel are suitable for rebuilding our country? How's that work?

Drastic measures for drastic times. I'm one that believes NO more borrowing, suck it up and live within our means. And stop saying shutting down the government. It's 17%, and obviously a 17% we could do without. Which proves the point that we CAN cut spending. We just need some with balls that can take the heat. Enter one, Ted Cruz! Oh, and the first time government "shutdown", Cruz was prolly in first grade.

 

[martybegan]

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Says the progressive with the plan to drive the country over the cliff. But hey! At least you "Care" about people, so if our children's children are left with massive amounts of debt and a broken country after you are dead, WHO CARES? You got yours.

Again, if we started making the rich pay their fair share and stopped shipping out half a trillion dollars every year in "Free Trade", we'd have plenty of money to pay our bills.

Bullshit. See the attached video for an example.

bill whittle burn the rich - Bing Videos

Even if you soaked the rich you wouldnt be able to cover the current or future federal spending. Also soaking them at the federal level would drain money at the state and local level, and you can only soak them once.

But keep up your envy of people with more money than you, it makes you look like the tool you are.

 

[rightwinger]

I think the Tea Party is nothing new. They are the rash of government hatred that the GOP Breaks out into when they don't control it.

Back in the Clinton years it was the Militias and the Contract with America. But the minute the GOP got back into power, they loved them some government.

In this case, the TEA Party overplayed its hand, they are going to walk away from this trying their best to save face when the government is reopened, the debt limit extended and ObamaCare is here to stay.

And the sugar daddies like the Koch Brothers are going to dry up pretty quickly...

The Tea Party is a recreation of the John Birch Society.....only people actually take them seriously

 

[editec]

This would not be the first major American political party to break up, folks.

The GOP owes its existence to just such a different POV within the Whig Party

Whigging Out​

Death throes, 1852–1856[edit]

When new issues of nativism, prohibition and anti-slavery burst on the scene in the mid-1850s, no one looked to the quickly disintegrating Whig party for answers. In the north most ex-Whigs joined the new Republican party, and in the South, they flocked to a new short-lived "American" party.

The election of 1852 marked the beginning of the end for the Whigs. The deaths of Henry Clay and Daniel Webster that year severely weakened the party. The Compromise of 1850 fractured the Whigs along pro- and anti-slavery lines, with the anti-slavery faction having enough power to deny Fillmore the party's nomination in 1852. The Whig Party's 1852 convention in New York City saw the historic meeting between Alvan E. Bovay and The New York Tribune's Horace Greeley, a meeting which led to correspondence between the men as the early Republican Party meetings in 1854 began to take place. Attempting to repeat their earlier successes, the Whigs nominated popular General Winfield Scott, who lost decisively to the Democrats' Franklin Pierce. The Democrats won the election by a large margin: Pierce won 27 of the 31 states including Scott's home state of New Jersey. Whig Representative Lewis D. Campbell of Ohio was particularly distraught by the defeat, exclaiming, "We are slain. The party is dead—dead—dead!" Increasingly politicians realized that the party was a loser. Abraham Lincoln, one of its leaders in Illinois, for example, ceased his Whig activities and attended to his law business.

In 1854, the Kansas–Nebraska Act, which opened the new territories to slavery, was passed. Southern Whigs generally supported the Act while Northern Whigs remained strongly opposed. Most remaining Northern Whigs, like Lincoln, joined the new Republican Party and strongly attacked the Act, appealing to widespread northern outrage over the repeal of the Missouri Compromise. Other Whigs joined the Know-Nothing Party, attracted by its nativist crusades against so-called "corrupt" Irish and German immigrants. In the South, the Whig party vanished, but as Thomas Alexander has shown, Whiggism as a modernizing policy orientation persisted for decades.[3] Historians estimate that, in the South in 1856, former Whig Fillmore retained 86 percent of the 1852 Whig voters when he ran as the American Party candidate. He won only 13% of the northern vote, though that was just enough to tip Pennsylvania out of the Republican column. The future in the North, most observers thought at the time, was Republican. No one saw any prospects for the shrunken old party, and after 1856 there was virtually no Whig organization left anywhere.[11] Some Whigs and others adopted the mantle of the "Opposition Party" for several years and had some success.

 

[JoeB131]

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Says the progressive with the plan to drive the country over the cliff. But hey! At least you "Care" about people, so if our children's children are left with massive amounts of debt and a broken country after you are dead, WHO CARES? You got yours.

Again, if we started making the rich pay their fair share and stopped shipping out half a trillion dollars every year in "Free Trade", we'd have plenty of money to pay our bills.

Bullshit. See the attached video for an example.

bill whittle burn the rich - Bing Videos

Even if you soaked the rich you wouldnt be able to cover the current or future federal spending. Also soaking them at the federal level would drain money at the state and local level, and you can only soak them once.

But keep up your envy of people with more money than you, it makes you look like the tool you are.

Yeah, guy, the problem with videos like that is that they lowball how much wealth the rich actually have.

Here's a hint. There is 54 TRILLION dollars in wealth in the US. Of that, 87% of it is controlled by the top 20%, and 43% of that is controlled by the top 1%.

Also, if you had decent wealth distribution and stopped shipping out so much money to other countries, you'd have real growth.

Now here's the thing. I really do think we need to make some cuts in government spending. We also need to promote real growth, not pretend growth that Wall Street Generates, and we need to increase revenues in taxes.

But we also need to have the honest discussion, and frankly, we aren't having that right now.

How much government do we want, and who should pay for it.

 

[zeke]

Actually, the ideals of the TP are far more suitable to rebuilding a broken America than anything possibly coming out of main stream GOP or the donkey party.

Shutting down the government and defaulting on our debt are things you feel are suitable for rebuilding our country? How's that work?

Drastic measures for drastic times. I'm one that believes NO more borrowing, suck it up and live within our means. And stop saying shutting down the government. It's 17%, and obviously a 17% we could do without. Which proves the point that we CAN cut spending. We just need some with balls that can take the heat. Enter one, Ted Cruz! Oh, and the first time government "shutdown", Cruz was prolly in first grade.

Ok I will play along and pretend to agree. Now, just go ahead and explain WHAT to cut, how many jobs will be lost, how much the unemployment rate will rise and what kind of interest rates we will see after the default.

How much will consumer spending decline when all these government jobs are eliminated and just what this will do positive for people like me.

What will the crash in the markets cost me and how much will my property values decline.

If you can answer all of those questions and the answers make sense, and the decline in jobs and wages are made up else where, maybe you are on to something.

But no one else has been able to answer these questions. They just ignore them. Will you do the same?

 

[rightwinger]

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In 2010 we saw the emergence of the Tea Party and its strong influence in specific geographic areas which led to a ton of congressional victories. It was interesting to see, and a few people wondered out loud whether it was possible for the Tea Party and the GOP to co-exist. At that point, the two were essentially separate.

By 2012 the Tea Party had essentially been folded into the GOP, and an uneasy relationship had developed between the Tea Party, the "establishment" Republicans, and the existing Republican office-holders who moved toward the Tea Party. The electoral results were mixed, at best. At that time we wondered which group was going to win control of the party.

The "final battle" always seemed down the road, in the future, something for guessing and predictions. Some wondered out loud if the party would literally split apart, and that theory, as I recall, was usually rejected by conservatives out of hand. Their thought appeared to be that one side would "win", and that the other side would somehow capitulate.

Well gang, here we are. This party is dividing before our eyes, with open revolt against Boehner; Republicans are attacking each other with the same energy they use on Democrats; no one is capitulating; and the Dems are smiling to themselves. Every headline is "Boehner doesn't have the votes", and I'm hearing more and more that he'll have to bow down before Nancy Pelosi before this thing is over.

This party really may be splitting up. Right now, before our eyes. No more theory.

Any guesses as to what the next five years holds for this party?

.

The TeaTards smell blood and they will not be satisfied with forming their own party

Citizens United makes the TeaTard movement possible. Unlimited funding to isolate non-compliant Republicans and primary them out of existence

In 2009, the TeaTard movement was a joke. A bunch of older Americans whining about taxes. Now they have shown that they are willing to bring the country to its knees and have the money to do so

 

[LoneLaugher]

Actually, the ideals of the TP are far more suitable to rebuilding a broken America than anything possibly coming out of main stream GOP or the donkey party.

Shutting down the government and defaulting on our debt are things you feel are suitable for rebuilding our country? How's that work?

Drastic measures for drastic times. I'm one that believes NO more borrowing, suck it up and live within our means. And stop saying shutting down the government. It's 17%, and obviously a 17% we could do without. Which proves the point that we CAN cut spending. We just need some with balls that can take the heat. Enter one, Ted Cruz! Oh, and the first time government "shutdown", Cruz was prolly in first grade.

I invite you to look at the irreparable harm that has already been done to the NIS regarding ongoing experiments and research. We can do without that 17%.....and it will result in our losing our standing as the worlds leader in medical/biological research. This costs us so much more than we are "saving" by being stupid.

You shortsighted idiot.

 

[cutter]

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In 2010 we saw the emergence of the Tea Party and its strong influence in specific geographic areas which led to a ton of congressional victories. It was interesting to see, and a few people wondered out loud whether it was possible for the Tea Party and the GOP to co-exist. At that point, the two were essentially separate.

By 2012 the Tea Party had essentially been folded into the GOP, and an uneasy relationship had developed between the Tea Party, the "establishment" Republicans, and the existing Republican office-holders who moved toward the Tea Party. The electoral results were mixed, at best. At that time we wondered which group was going to win control of the party.

The "final battle" always seemed down the road, in the future, something for guessing and predictions. Some wondered out loud if the party would literally split apart, and that theory, as I recall, was usually rejected by conservatives out of hand. Their thought appeared to be that one side would "win", and that the other side would somehow capitulate.

Well gang, here we are. This party is dividing before our eyes, with open revolt against Boehner; Republicans are attacking each other with the same energy they use on Democrats; no one is capitulating; and the Dems are smiling to themselves. Every headline is "Boehner doesn't have the votes", and I'm hearing more and more that he'll have to bow down before Nancy Pelosi before this thing is over.

This party really may be splitting up. Right now, before our eyes. No more theory.

Any guesses as to what the next five years holds for this party?

.

Defeat after defeat after defeat. Most Americans (and more every day) now see that the Tbaggers bring absolutely nothing to the table needed to run a country like ours. Nothing. They gotta go. Or at least be so marginalized that they can't continue to do so much harm.

Can't do much? Apparently nothing happens in Washington unless we agree. You fools will never understand that the TEA PARTY represents the silent majority in our country.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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In 2010 we saw the emergence of the Tea Party and its strong influence in specific geographic areas which led to a ton of congressional victories. It was interesting to see, and a few people wondered out loud whether it was possible for the Tea Party and the GOP to co-exist. At that point, the two were essentially separate.

By 2012 the Tea Party had essentially been folded into the GOP, and an uneasy relationship had developed between the Tea Party, the "establishment" Republicans, and the existing Republican office-holders who moved toward the Tea Party. The electoral results were mixed, at best. At that time we wondered which group was going to win control of the party.

The "final battle" always seemed down the road, in the future, something for guessing and predictions. Some wondered out loud if the party would literally split apart, and that theory, as I recall, was usually rejected by conservatives out of hand. Their thought appeared to be that one side would "win", and that the other side would somehow capitulate.

Well gang, here we are. This party is dividing before our eyes, with open revolt against Boehner; Republicans are attacking each other with the same energy they use on Democrats; no one is capitulating; and the Dems are smiling to themselves. Every headline is "Boehner doesn't have the votes", and I'm hearing more and more that he'll have to bow down before Nancy Pelosi before this thing is over.

This party really may be splitting up. Right now, before our eyes. No more theory.

Any guesses as to what the next five years holds for this party?

.

Defeat after defeat after defeat. Most Americans (and more every day) now see that the Tbaggers bring absolutely nothing to the table needed to run a country like ours. Nothing. They gotta go. Or at least be so marginalized that they can't continue to do so much harm.

Can't do much? Apparently nothing happens in Washington unless we agree. You fools will never understand that the TEA PARTY represents the silent majority in our country.

That is a ridiculous statement. It is in no way accurate. You have absolutely no facts that back it up. It is 100% wishful thinking on your part. The tea party represents a very loud....very well funded...minority in our country. You could not have been more wrong.