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How about THREE hostile countries? Syria, Iraq and Iran?
What about them? He didn't say we're going to take over those countries... He said we're going to take the oil fields ISIS controls.
No, he said he was going to bomb the hell out of those oil fields. And then he was going to make a ring around them. And then he was going to have Big Oil rebuild them.
How much would the rebuilding cost? How would you deal with the inevitable insurgency? How would these countries support themselves when cut off from their own natural resources?
You don't know. You don't give a shit. And that's why a conservative shouldn't be in charge. As they never do.
Again... bombing an oil field is not bombing a country or taking over a country. Sorry.... not what he said.
"Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone."
Boss
Republicans are already abandoning that party in droves. They'll still vote Republican, but few will admit they're still Republican. That party has become a national embarrassment.I honestly hope that Trump wins the Republican nomination. I was pulling for Sarah Palin's camp for the same reasons.
Chances are, his nomination would result in a landslide victory for the other side, and that would prompt whatever intelligent, responsible Republicans are left to re-evaluate their party.
Its your ilk. Your ilk that have proposed bombing Iran and taking their oil. Bombing Syria and taking their oil. Bombing Iraq and taking their oil.
Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone.
Nothing at all, huh?
Q: You don't think bombing Iraqi oil fields which are now in the control of ISIS is going to anger huge numbers of people?
Trump: I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send in many troops, as you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields.
Donald Trump
July 10th 2015
Military analysts fact check Donald Trump on bombing oil fields - CNNPolitics.com
You can't possibly be this ignorant of your own candidate's positions. You not only don't have any concept of the consequences of what you're proposing, you have no idea what he's proposing.
Do you?
Ladies and Gentleman, I offer you a Trump voter. This is his base. And they don't even know what the fuck they're backing.
WOW... Well, let's see.... Does "oil fields" somehow 'translate' in your stupid liberal brain as "Iraq, Syria and Iran"? I've already stated that he planned to bomb oil fields and take them from ISIS.
Where exactly do you think ISIS controls oil fields? Where do you think the supposed 'caliphate' of ISIS is located? Are you aware of where the fighting involving ISIS is going on? Iraq, Syria, at least one attack linked to ISIS in Turkey (perhaps more, I haven't checked). ISIS is not a nation for us to invade, despite their rhetoric about creating a 'caliphate'. They have taken control of areas in two countries, Iraq and Syria, that I know of. They have not taken over either country nor even consolidated their control; supposedly they have been leaving some areas open to be retaken and are still running more of a mobile conflict than creating their own nation.
Any oil fields controlled by ISIS almost certainly reside in either Iraq or Syria. So bombing oil fields under the control of ISIS means bombing in those countries.
Now you're jumping through hoops to INFER things that weren't said.
The cost to us to occupy a hostile country for a CENTURY is how much?
It's NOTHING if you pay for it with the oil you pump out.
Considering your lack of knowledge about the military shown earlier in discussion about our submarines, perhaps making declarations like this is something you should reconsider. Do you have any estimates of the actual cost of a century of war and the profits from the oil fields controlled by ISIS?
This, of course, does not take into account the cost in lives, the cost in international relations, even the cost in support at home.
EDIT : To be clear, this is about the hypothetical you and Skylar are involved in. I'm not taking a stand against any bombing of oil fields controlled by ISIS, that may well be a good tactic. Taking over those oil fields I am less on board with.
Like his planned parenthood comments, I'm in the lovely position of merely offer the actual quotes. And you instantly lose.
well no... you're quoting him but he doesn't say anything about bombing Iraq, Syria or Iran or taking over their countries. It's not there... he never said that. So it is YOU who is losing.
"[T]the biggest problem I have with Planned Parenthood is the abortion situation,” he said. “It's like an abortion factory. You can't have it and you shouldn't be funding it and that should not be funded by the government.”
But he continued by saying he wouldn't necessarily defund the organization.
“If the time came, I would look at the individual things that they do and maybe some of the things are good, and maybe -- I know a lot of the things are bad,” Trump said. “I would look at the good aspects of it and I would also look because I'm sure they do some things properly and good and good for women.”
Donald Trump Suggests Support of Some Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood - ABC News
"Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone."
Boss
Trump: I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send in many troops, as you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields.
Donald Trump
July 10th 2015
Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone.
Nothing at all, huh?
Q: You don't think bombing Iraqi oil fields which are now in the control of ISIS is going to anger huge numbers of people?
Trump: I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send in many troops, as you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields.
Donald Trump
July 10th 2015
Military analysts fact check Donald Trump on bombing oil fields - CNNPolitics.com
You can't possibly be this ignorant of your own candidate's positions. You not only don't have any concept of the consequences of what you're proposing, you have no idea what he's proposing.
Do you?
Ladies and Gentleman, I offer you a Trump voter. This is his base. And they don't even know what the fuck they're backing.
WOW... Well, let's see.... Does "oil fields" somehow 'translate' in your stupid liberal brain as "Iraq, Syria and Iran"? I've already stated that he planned to bomb oil fields and take them from ISIS.
Where exactly do you think ISIS controls oil fields? Where do you think the supposed 'caliphate' of ISIS is located? Are you aware of where the fighting involving ISIS is going on? Iraq, Syria, at least one attack linked to ISIS in Turkey (perhaps more, I haven't checked). ISIS is not a nation for us to invade, despite their rhetoric about creating a 'caliphate'. They have taken control of areas in two countries, Iraq and Syria, that I know of. They have not taken over either country nor even consolidated their control; supposedly they have been leaving some areas open to be retaken and are still running more of a mobile conflict than creating their own nation.
Any oil fields controlled by ISIS almost certainly reside in either Iraq or Syria. So bombing oil fields under the control of ISIS means bombing in those countries.
Now you're jumping through hoops to INFER things that weren't said.
You claimed Trump never said anything about bombing. Skylar then provided a quote from Trump in which he specifically advocates bombing. Then you make a comment about oil fields not translating to Iraq, Syria and Iran. The oil fields controlled by ISIS are located in Iraq and Syria (I'll give you Iran, I'm unaware of ISIS controlling territory or oil fields in that nation).
What hoops am I jumping through to infer what?
Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone.
Nothing at all, huh?
Q: You don't think bombing Iraqi oil fields which are now in the control of ISIS is going to anger huge numbers of people?
Trump: I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send in many troops, as you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields.
Donald Trump
July 10th 2015
Military analysts fact check Donald Trump on bombing oil fields - CNNPolitics.com
You can't possibly be this ignorant of your own candidate's positions. You not only don't have any concept of the consequences of what you're proposing, you have no idea what he's proposing.
Do you?
Ladies and Gentleman, I offer you a Trump voter. This is his base. And they don't even know what the fuck they're backing.
WOW... Well, let's see.... Does "oil fields" somehow 'translate' in your stupid liberal brain as "Iraq, Syria and Iran"? I've already stated that he planned to bomb oil fields and take them from ISIS.
Where exactly do you think ISIS controls oil fields? Where do you think the supposed 'caliphate' of ISIS is located? Are you aware of where the fighting involving ISIS is going on? Iraq, Syria, at least one attack linked to ISIS in Turkey (perhaps more, I haven't checked). ISIS is not a nation for us to invade, despite their rhetoric about creating a 'caliphate'. They have taken control of areas in two countries, Iraq and Syria, that I know of. They have not taken over either country nor even consolidated their control; supposedly they have been leaving some areas open to be retaken and are still running more of a mobile conflict than creating their own nation.
Any oil fields controlled by ISIS almost certainly reside in either Iraq or Syria. So bombing oil fields under the control of ISIS means bombing in those countries.
Now you're jumping through hoops to INFER things that weren't said.
You claimed Trump never said anything about bombing. Skylar then provided a quote from Trump in which he specifically advocates bombing. Then you make a comment about oil fields not translating to Iraq, Syria and Iran. The oil fields controlled by ISIS are located in Iraq and Syria (I'll give you Iran, I'm unaware of ISIS controlling territory or oil fields in that nation).
What hoops am I jumping through to infer what?
Like his planned parenthood comments, I'm in the lovely position of merely offer the actual quotes. And you instantly lose.
well no... you're quoting him but he doesn't say anything about bombing Iraq, Syria or Iran or taking over their countries. It's not there... he never said that. So it is YOU who is losing.
Why, yes. I am. You said Trump never expressed support for funding Planned Parenthood. Here's Trump contradicting you:
"[T]the biggest problem I have with Planned Parenthood is the abortion situation,” he said. “It's like an abortion factory. You can't have it and you shouldn't be funding it and that should not be funded by the government.”
But he continued by saying he wouldn't necessarily defund the organization.
“If the time came, I would look at the individual things that they do and maybe some of the things are good, and maybe -- I know a lot of the things are bad,” Trump said. “I would look at the good aspects of it and I would also look because I'm sure they do some things properly and good and good for women.”
Donald Trump Suggests Support of Some Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood - ABC News
Boom. You lose. And on Trump contradicting you about bombing anyone:
"Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone."
Boss
This was Trump said:
Trump: I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send in many troops, as you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields.
Donald Trump
July 10th 2015
You know how else I can tell? You're desperately scrubbing any of these quotes from your replies.
Laughing...as if by omitting them from your reply, none of us can actually read them.
Sigh.....you can't fix stupid.
No. He's factually very correct.Like his planned parenthood comments, I'm in the lovely position of merely offer the actual quotes. And you instantly lose.
well no... you're quoting him but he doesn't say anything about bombing Iraq, Syria or Iran or taking over their countries. It's not there... he never said that. So it is YOU who is losing.
Why, yes. I am. You said Trump never expressed support for funding Planned Parenthood. Here's Trump contradicting you:
"[T]the biggest problem I have with Planned Parenthood is the abortion situation,” he said. “It's like an abortion factory. You can't have it and you shouldn't be funding it and that should not be funded by the government.”
But he continued by saying he wouldn't necessarily defund the organization.
“If the time came, I would look at the individual things that they do and maybe some of the things are good, and maybe -- I know a lot of the things are bad,” Trump said. “I would look at the good aspects of it and I would also look because I'm sure they do some things properly and good and good for women.”
Donald Trump Suggests Support of Some Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood - ABC News
Boom. You lose. And on Trump contradicting you about bombing anyone:
"Well no... Trump said he would take the oil wells which ISIS controls, which is funding their violence. Nothing about bombing anyone."
Boss
This was Trump said:
Trump: I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send in many troops, as you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields.
Donald Trump
July 10th 2015
You know how else I can tell? You're desperately scrubbing any of these quotes from your replies.
Laughing...as if by omitting them from your reply, none of us can actually read them.
Sigh.....you can't fix stupid.
You're delusional.
Fuck you.We'd have to take care of the nation AND defend it AND fund the military actions to hold the territory in a 30 year war. How much do you think that would cost?
There isn't going to be a 30-year war.
The cost to us to occupy a hostile country for a CENTURY is how much?
It's NOTHING if you pay for it with the oil you pump out.
Considering your lack of knowledge about the military shown earlier in discussion about our submarines, perhaps making declarations like this is something you should reconsider. Do you have any estimates of the actual cost of a century of war and the profits from the oil fields controlled by ISIS?
This, of course, does not take into account the cost in lives, the cost in international relations, even the cost in support at home.
EDIT : To be clear, this is about the hypothetical you and Skylar are involved in. I'm not taking a stand against any bombing of oil fields controlled by ISIS, that may well be a good tactic. Taking over those oil fields I am less on board with.
Well first of all, it doesn't matter about cost. We have to defeat enemies at war with us when they are killing American citizens... plain and simple... doesn't matter how much that costs.
Second... it's not going to "cost" a damn thing... the OIL will pay for it. In fact, we'll come out ahead. As far as who likes us or who likes what we are doing... don't really give two shits and I don't think Trump does either.
Nothing at all, huh?
You can't possibly be this ignorant of your own candidate's positions. You not only don't have any concept of the consequences of what you're proposing, you have no idea what he's proposing.
Do you?
Ladies and Gentleman, I offer you a Trump voter. This is his base. And they don't even know what the fuck they're backing.
WOW... Well, let's see.... Does "oil fields" somehow 'translate' in your stupid liberal brain as "Iraq, Syria and Iran"? I've already stated that he planned to bomb oil fields and take them from ISIS.
Where exactly do you think ISIS controls oil fields? Where do you think the supposed 'caliphate' of ISIS is located? Are you aware of where the fighting involving ISIS is going on? Iraq, Syria, at least one attack linked to ISIS in Turkey (perhaps more, I haven't checked). ISIS is not a nation for us to invade, despite their rhetoric about creating a 'caliphate'. They have taken control of areas in two countries, Iraq and Syria, that I know of. They have not taken over either country nor even consolidated their control; supposedly they have been leaving some areas open to be retaken and are still running more of a mobile conflict than creating their own nation.
Any oil fields controlled by ISIS almost certainly reside in either Iraq or Syria. So bombing oil fields under the control of ISIS means bombing in those countries.
Now you're jumping through hoops to INFER things that weren't said.
You claimed Trump never said anything about bombing. Skylar then provided a quote from Trump in which he specifically advocates bombing. Then you make a comment about oil fields not translating to Iraq, Syria and Iran. The oil fields controlled by ISIS are located in Iraq and Syria (I'll give you Iran, I'm unaware of ISIS controlling territory or oil fields in that nation).
What hoops am I jumping through to infer what?
Well... an "oil field" isn't a country. It's IN a country. As all oil fields are.
Again .... fuck you.it's not going to "cost" a damn thing... the OIL will pay for it. In fact, we'll come out ahead.
No. He's factually very correct.
Perhaps taking over the oil fields controlled by ISIS will pay for any conflict with them. Taking over is not the same as bombing, but let's say we take control of the oil fields under ISIS control (I've seen reports that ISIS controls 11 in Iraq and Syria and makes something like $3 million a day selling the oil cheaply, although I don't know how accurate those numbers are). Our actions will not occur in a vacuum. Will the price of oil fluctuate based on our invasion? Will our economy be hurt by potential actions by other nations, such as Russia and China, who are opposed to are takeover of these oil fields? Will we have a constant conflict going on so long as we control the fields, with various terrorists and insurgents doing what they can to hurt us, perhaps even disrupting or destroying our own ability to get the oil? What economic impacts might there be from our allies, both positive and negative?
You think that oil fields are not located within sovereign nations, that they are cherries hanging from a tree, waiting to be plucked? It's neocons like you who screwed the pooch the first 3 times. No thank you, perpetual war is not the solution.No. He's factually very correct.
No.. . FACTUALLY he is not correct. The FACT is, Trump said "oil fields" and not "Iran, Syria, Iraq" which is what was claimed he said. I actually take more exception to the contradiction of bombing the oil fields yet we're also going to secure them and exploit the oil resource... that's going to be hard to do if they are bombed to hell first.
You think that oil fields are not located within sovereign nations, that they are cherries hanging from a tree, waiting to be plucked? It's neocons like you who screwed the pooch the first 3 times. No thank you, perpetual war is not the solution.
Perhaps taking over the oil fields controlled by ISIS will pay for any conflict with them. Taking over is not the same as bombing, but let's say we take control of the oil fields under ISIS control (I've seen reports that ISIS controls 11 in Iraq and Syria and makes something like $3 million a day selling the oil cheaply, although I don't know how accurate those numbers are). Our actions will not occur in a vacuum. Will the price of oil fluctuate based on our invasion? Will our economy be hurt by potential actions by other nations, such as Russia and China, who are opposed to are takeover of these oil fields? Will we have a constant conflict going on so long as we control the fields, with various terrorists and insurgents doing what they can to hurt us, perhaps even disrupting or destroying our own ability to get the oil? What economic impacts might there be from our allies, both positive and negative?
You raise some valid questions but none of them can be answered for certain until the action happens. The question is, are we dealing with something where we have options which end with a resolution to the problem of radical Islam's war with us? Honestly, I don't know how to defeat an enemy at war with us and not hurt anyone's feelings. I also don't know of any answer that resolves all potential outcomes or problems that may arise as result of the action. So we can accept there may be some undesirable consequences but I don't know that we have any other option.. ignoring radical Islam, refusing to even utter the words "radical Islamic terror" doesn't seem to be diminishing the enemy.
Perhaps taking over the oil fields controlled by ISIS will pay for any conflict with them. Taking over is not the same as bombing, but let's say we take control of the oil fields under ISIS control (I've seen reports that ISIS controls 11 in Iraq and Syria and makes something like $3 million a day selling the oil cheaply, although I don't know how accurate those numbers are). Our actions will not occur in a vacuum. Will the price of oil fluctuate based on our invasion? Will our economy be hurt by potential actions by other nations, such as Russia and China, who are opposed to are takeover of these oil fields? Will we have a constant conflict going on so long as we control the fields, with various terrorists and insurgents doing what they can to hurt us, perhaps even disrupting or destroying our own ability to get the oil? What economic impacts might there be from our allies, both positive and negative?
You raise some valid questions but none of them can be answered for certain until the action happens. The question is, are we dealing with something where we have options which end with a resolution to the problem of radical Islam's war with us? Honestly, I don't know how to defeat an enemy at war with us and not hurt anyone's feelings. I also don't know of any answer that resolves all potential outcomes or problems that may arise as result of the action. So we can accept there may be some undesirable consequences but I don't know that we have any other option.. ignoring radical Islam, refusing to even utter the words "radical Islamic terror" doesn't seem to be diminishing the enemy.
Taking over a few oil fields will certainly not be a resolution to the problems of radical Islam. At absolute best it might be a resolution to the problem of ISIS, and even then, I tend to doubt it. Oh, it might well be a good short term solution, but defeating an ideology rather than a nation is a very difficult proposition.
I don't know that the short term gains of such an action would outweigh the long term losses. As I've said, I claim no expertise and admit I might be wildly mistaken. However, I do not see Trump as any sort of military or diplomatic expert, either, so find it hard to put trust in his plan at this point.
