Housing is not a right

[Dschrute3]

Maybe not a right, but we do need to address our worsening housing crisis. Wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. Rents and Mortgages are skyrocketing. The 'American Dream' is dying. If folks can't afford housing, this country is in deep trouble.

 

[impuretrash]

the greatest nation on earth shouldnt allow women and children to freeze to death in the winter.

What an ignorant statement. For starters, that emotional “argument” is immature. Second, that doesn’t happen. Third, if you feel that way, you fund it. That’s how life works, junior. When you want something, you pay for it. You don’t get to make me pay for it.

Sorry I want to protect women and children from freezing to death, I know it's awful of me.

 

[Dschrute3]

the greatest nation on earth shouldnt allow women and children to freeze to death in the winter.

What an ignorant statement. For starters, that emotional “argument” is immature. Second, that doesn’t happen. Third, if you feel that way, you fund it. That’s how life works, junior. When you want something, you pay for it. You don’t get to make me pay for it.

Sorry I want to protect women and children from freezing to death, I know it's awful of me.

I hear ya. The biggest problem now facing Americans, is that wages aren't keeping pace with skyrocketing rents and overall cost of living. The 'American Dream' is dying. We do need to address it.

 

[P@triot]

Sorry I want to protect women and children from freezing to death, I know it's awful of me.

If that were true, you would. Nobody is stopping you. This is America, you are free to “protect women and children from freezing to death” any time you want.

So the question becomes...why do you refuse to help them?

 

[P@triot]

The biggest problem now facing Americans, is that wages aren't keeping pace with skyrocketing rents and overall cost of living.

Only in areas controlled by Dumbocrats who have implemented failed left-wing policy. Go to any city, state, or county controlled by Republicans and housing is more than affordable. It only doesn’t “keep pace” in progressive shit-holes like New York and San Francisco.

 

[Mr Natural]

Only in areas controlled by Dumbocrats who have implemented failed left-wing policy. Go to any city, state, or county controlled by Republicans and housing is more than affordable. It only doesn’t “keep pace” in progressive shit-holes like New York and San Francisco.

It's more affordable because nobody wants to live there.

 

[impuretrash]

Sorry I want to protect women and children from freezing to death, I know it's awful of me.

If that were true, you would. Nobody is stopping you. This is America, you are free to “protect women and children from freezing to death” any time you want.

So the question becomes...why do you refuse to help them?

Which would you prefer the feds spend your tax dollars on? Blowing up muslim goatherders or protecting vulnerable US citizens?

 

[Dschrute3]

The biggest problem now facing Americans, is that wages aren't keeping pace with skyrocketing rents and overall cost of living.

Only in areas controlled by Dumbocrats who have implemented failed left-wing policy. Go to any city, state, or county controlled by Republicans and housing is more than affordable. It only doesn’t “keep pace” in progressive shit-holes like New York and San Francisco.

You make a valid point. Thanks. If wages stay in line with the cost of living, we have a future. If not, were doomed.

 

[P@triot]

Only in areas controlled by Dumbocrats who have implemented failed left-wing policy. Go to any city, state, or county controlled by Republicans and housing is more than affordable. It only doesn’t “keep pace” in progressive shit-holes like New York and San Francisco.

It's more affordable because nobody wants to live there.

So what you’re saying then is that it all comes down to choice. Thank you.

Wages are just fine. People choose to live in progressive shit-holes like San Francisco. You have to live with your choices. That’s the way life works.

 

[P@triot]

Sorry I want to protect women and children from freezing to death, I know it's awful of me.

If that were true, you would. Nobody is stopping you. This is America, you are free to “protect women and children from freezing to death” any time you want.

So the question becomes...why do you refuse to help them?

Which would you prefer the feds spend your tax dollars on? Blowing up muslim goatherders or protecting vulnerable US citizens?

I would prefer the federal government spend my tax dollars on constitutional responsibilities only (and “protecting women and children from freezing is not constitutional in the least).

But that’s not the question here. As I previously stated, you are free to “protect women and children from freezing to death” any time you want.

So the question becomes...why do you refuse to help them?

 

[dblack]

Wages are just fine. People choose to live in progressive shit-holes like San Francisco. You have to live with your choices. That’s the way life works.

It's getting to the point where poor people can't afford to live in Bel Air. Something must be done!

 

[OldLady]

I know someone who has been on and off government assistance since she was 18 years old, and she says that the system of assistance sets the person up to fail, and causes the person to remain dependent.

I said to her that I think that there should be case workers assigned to 20 cases each or more if the work load is organized properly.. Reports are to be made, records kept, and help given in financial and schooling with results obtained. Drug testing should also be a big part of it. Living inspections made on properties being rented by the assistance programs etc.

And most of all we need government workers hired that don't have a biased or conflict of interest involved in doing their jobs. Otherwise drain the dam swamp already.

Everyone knows what has gone on to create these things, but people feel helpless to straighten the bullcrap out. Time to vote in the answers to these issues, and quit being fooled to place people in jobs that never intend to do the right thing, but instead see's their position as a given once obtained.

Trump is setting the tone on work ethic, and if others aren't willing to work hard, then get the hell out.

In Maine, unless you have a documented disability, you can't get any welfare unless you have children. A lot of them would happily be working and out of the "system" but the cost of daycare would make it impossible. That and the loss of healthcare. We have to care for the kids, give them the best start we can, or this cycle of generational poverty will never end. So I believe that safe, affordable daycare for all parents should be a priority. It is definitely a huge problem here.

I thought we already have government daycare. I live in an majority black suburb and there are as many daycares here as there are dollar stores and nail salons. If they are not here because of government, why do we have so many with no government funds?

It isn't because day cares don't exist, it is because to pay for two or three kids to have daycare costs more than a lot of people earn.
I don't live in a suburb and the jobs for people without a college degree, unless you can somehow go out on a fishing boat, are not high. Most employers are also careful to hire part-time (30 hour cut off) so they don't have to provide medical insurance.

There is no longer any law that says if you work past 30 hours, you must provide medical insurance. That went out with President Trump.

So if there are no government vouchers for daycare, why are they popping up nearly every ten blocks? Do people around here have a lot more money than I suspected? Because I go into better suburbs and see very few.

State Child Care Assistance/Child Care Vouchers

Every state receives funds from the federal government to support child care assistance programs. These programs may go by other names, such as vouchers, fee assistance, subsidy, or use a specific program name. These programs help families who qualify pay for child care so they can work or go to school. Check your state’s eligibility requirements by visiting your state’s child care assistance website (find it on our State by State Resource Map under your state’s Financial Assistance tab.)

State Funded Pre-K

Some states fund half-day or full-day Pre-K programs for 3 to 5 year old children, with the goal of improving school readiness. These programs may be offered at low or no cost to eligible families. Some states have made it available for all families. Contact your local Child Care Resource and Referral agency to find out more and to help you find a Pre-K program where you live.

Help Paying for Child Care - Child Care Aware

The amount a family can earn and still be eligible for assistance is now pretty reasonable. I think you may be right about that.

 

[impuretrash]

Sorry I want to protect women and children from freezing to death, I know it's awful of me.

If that were true, you would. Nobody is stopping you. This is America, you are free to “protect women and children from freezing to death” any time you want.

So the question becomes...why do you refuse to help them?

Which would you prefer the feds spend your tax dollars on? Blowing up muslim goatherders or protecting vulnerable US citizens?

I would prefer the federal government spend my tax dollars on constitutional responsibilities only (and “protecting women and children from freezing is not constitutional in the least).

But that’s not the question here. As I previously stated, you are free to “protect women and children from freezing to death” any time you want.

So the question becomes...why do you refuse to help them?

You act like freezing to death in the winter due to lack of shelter is a ridiculous improbability and not an absolute certainty. I personally do not have the means to support every desperate individual in the country neither on a financial or logistical level but don't mind paying taxes to help finance state and local institutions that can.

I'm really not a fan of the brand of politics you're advocating here. It's just plain shortsighted and cruel.

 

[dblack]

You act like freezing to death in the winter due to lack of shelter is a ridiculous improbability and not an absolute certainty.

In the US, it is a ridiculous improbability.

 

[OldLady]

You'll have to be more explicit. This is what I've found in the past. When pressed, there is no clear reason why "reformers" want government to intervene. Other than to establish government authority of whatever it is they're after (health care, housing, etc...).

We have jobs that only illegals will do and people who will only live off the dole. That is a disconnect.

Government assistance has to require some skin in the game.

The part you don't understand is that a good number of those "unemployed" people here are unemployable.

 

[impuretrash]

You act like freezing to death in the winter due to lack of shelter is a ridiculous improbability and not an absolute certainty.

In the US, it is a ridiculous improbability.

Not if P@triot had his way.

 

[OldLady]

They BBQ?
OMG! Where does the depravity end?

Well it's like my friends that me and the wife knows, and yep they confirmed the same story Ray has... LOL.... They said they ain't got a problem with people BBQing but when it goes on for 4 days straight like they experienced recently it was like Come onnnnnn really.

I still don't get it, but whatever you can find to diss your poorer neighbors, I guess it flies for you.

Truth is something you loath eh ??

What's wrong with BBQ'ing?

4 days straight, and with 30 people or more ??? Good grief.

Ray got his binoculars out, counting the people, checking what they're eating, and making sure it is the same 30 people every night?
Ray's got the problem, if you ask me.
It's hot. There's nothing wrong with bbq-ing and they may have all been at work all day; he doesn't know shit about it.

 

[dblack]

You act like freezing to death in the winter due to lack of shelter is a ridiculous improbability and not an absolute certainty.

In the US, it is a ridiculous improbability.

Not if P@triot had his way.

I'll let Patriot speak up for 'his way'. But your statement remains bunk.

 

[impuretrash]

You act like freezing to death in the winter due to lack of shelter is a ridiculous improbability and not an absolute certainty.

In the US, it is a ridiculous improbability.

Not if P@triot had his way.

I'll let Patriot speak up for 'his way'. But your statement remains bunk.

Well he's made it pretty clear that he resents the idea of any sort of social safety net.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well it's like my friends that me and the wife knows, and yep they confirmed the same story Ray has... LOL.... They said they ain't got a problem with people BBQing but when it goes on for 4 days straight like they experienced recently it was like Come onnnnnn really.

I still don't get it, but whatever you can find to diss your poorer neighbors, I guess it flies for you.

Truth is something you loath eh ??

What's wrong with BBQ'ing?

4 days straight, and with 30 people or more ??? Good grief.

Ray got his binoculars out, counting the people, checking what they're eating, and making sure it is the same 30 people every night?
Ray's got the problem, if you ask me.
It's hot. There's nothing wrong with bbq-ing and they may have all been at work all day; he doesn't know shit about it.

They have? If they work, why are they on HUD? And how do they get to work since their cars are usually there all day long? And how do they wake up for work when they are coming home all hours of the work week drunk as a skunk?