How did Birth Control become a right?

[Taz]

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Then it should be included in a health plan.

Stuff to do with the baby when it is due? Sure. Contraception? No.

Why, what you got against it?

 

[Taz]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

The law is not limited to prescriptions. It covers any and all forms of birth control. But even still, why should the federal government force an employer to carry prescription coverage?

that isn't a question relevant only to birth control.

and the fact is they DO provide prescription coverage... and it is relevant because most of us have employer based insurance.

Prescription coverage is a rider, not part of all plans. It's no different than cosmetic surgery or dental.

IF you do have prescription coverage, it will cover birth control pills as it does Viagra. However this idiotic law goes beyond birth control pills. That's kind of the point.

The main point here is that the federal government should not be dictating what kind of coverage an employer carries for it's employees. That's as un-American as it gets; especially since this was nothing more than vote buying in the first place.

It's Un-American for Americans to have health coverage overseen by the Feds?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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Until you are an old geezer, a hole...
old geezer, a hole

until you are an old geezer a******. You know how much a Viagra pill cost at Walmart?$37. God GOP voters are a pain in the ass...

 

[Taz]

Public medication plans are starting to happen more and more in the Western world. But here we're talking about employers who already have health plans who don't want to include birth control because they think their invisible friend will disapprove, as though that's the only strike they'd have against them for getting into a non-existant invisible paradise.

Why should the government have the power to force employers to provide anything at all for their employees? It would be more honest for the government to create a new welfare program and supply it directly. This way just interferes with private contracts.


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Because so much of our healthcare system is based on employer supplied Health Care duh!

So change it. Create a new welfare program.


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What do you have against birth control?

Nothing. Why? What do you have against freedom?


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The government makes you pay for all kinds of stuff that you'll never use, so why pick on birth control?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Anything to save the greedy idiot brainwashing GOP billionaires from paying their fair share... Welcome to the 21st century...

FDR is who established the salary cap ... Not the GOP.
The business owners are the ones who thought of more ways to compensate employees.

So ... Your comment would be the exact opposite of what happened ...

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How We Got to Now: A Brief History of Employer-Sponsored Healthcare

More and more we need universal coverage. A person should not have to work at a company just to get health ins.

/—-/ More and more we need a free market healthcare system and have you leeches pay your own way through life.

 

[Taz]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

Good thing for you that viagra is covered!!! Health plan includes things related to your health, like getting pregnant or not.

The only thing you've bought in the past while is boxes of Depends. The XXL size.

 

[Taz]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

So why is the United States the only modern country without good health care system? Hint the GOP.

The US healthcare system is second to none. I think your question is where's my free government healthcare hand out.

Second to none in cost. Second to none in people who can't afford health care. And second to none in the disparity of health care for the rich as oppose to what the poor get.

 

[Taz]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

Birth control pills are paid for by insurance. Unless you work for a company that has a moral objection to them. Which, you'd have known when you went to work for the company.

Which is why the government needs to step in and slap these religious nutters.

 

[JoeB131]

The law is not limited to prescriptions. It covers any and all forms of birth control. But even still, why should the federal government force an employer to carry prescription coverage?

Yeah, we should all be like your employer and cut insurance. Thta will work.

 

[Taz]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

So why is the United States the only modern country without good health care system? Hint the GOP.

Right, we have such a terrible healthcare system that people from all over the world fly here to be part of it.

I'm a patient at the Cleveland Clinic, and let me tell you, when you walk into the Cleveland Clinic main campus downtown, you are the one who feels like a foreigner.

Rich people fly in, the poor, not so much. US health care IS quite good, it's the lack of access for your own population that's the problem.

 

[hadit]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Oh, I thought we were discussing me paying for your birth control? That is the title of the thread. Of course all things related to the having the baby and the baby itself are health related. I have no issue with that.

birth control pills are prescription medication. why shouldn't my insurance company cover that?

reminder: insurance policies cover viagra.

An employer should be able to choose the coverage he wants to offer. And no,I shouldn't have to pay for an old geezer's boner pills.


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Until you are an old geezer, a hole...
old geezer, a hole

until you are an old geezer a******. You know how much a Viagra pill cost at Walmart?$37. God GOP voters are a pain in the ass...

So why not be honest and create a new welfare program dedicated to subsidizing peoples' sex lives?


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[hadit]

Why should the government have the power to force employers to provide anything at all for their employees? It would be more honest for the government to create a new welfare program and supply it directly. This way just interferes with private contracts.


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Because so much of our healthcare system is based on employer supplied Health Care duh!

So change it. Create a new welfare program.


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What do you have against birth control?

Nothing. Why? What do you have against freedom?


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The government makes you pay for all kinds of stuff that you'll never use, so why pick on birth control?

I don't have a problem with it. I do, however, believe in freedom. If the government wants people to have free contraceptives and boner pills, then it should provide them, not force private sector employers to pay for them.


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[JoeB131]

So why not be honest and create a new welfare program dedicated to subsidizing peoples' sex lives?

Probably because you'll get the religious nutters trying to decide they are doctors... kind of like they do with Planned Parenthood funding now.

 

[hadit]

So why not be honest and create a new welfare program dedicated to subsidizing peoples' sex lives?

Probably because you'll get the religious nutters trying to decide they are doctors... kind of like they do with Planned Parenthood funding now.

Does it stop PP funding? Basically, you're afraid that people will object and you don't want that. By forcing employers to do it, the government is ducking direct responsibility.

 

[Penelope]

How did Birth Control become a right?

It never HAS been a right. Just another of a million liberal lies that a woman has the right to kill her fetus because it's "her" body.

Nope. That is another body growing inside you, not YOUR body, it depends on you and unless the life of the mother is in danger from the pregnancy, it is nothing short of MURDER to have an abortion.

But liberals don't want to face the truth because to them, life is cheap and disposable.

Birth control is not abortion, abortion Nut Job...

No, anyone can buy a condom, they are cheap and I shouldn't have to buy them for anyone else. If you need me to pay for your diaphragm or pill, then maybe you should be more worried about getting a job instead of having a baby? But few birth control methods are INFALLIBLE, then it comes down to an unwanted pregnancy, so RIGHT TO BIRTH CONTROL goes HAND IN HAND with the RIGHT TO ABORTION.

It all stems from the desire for guilt free sex. No ties to God, no ties to marriage, no ties to the child. Just screw away, get rid of the kid and not even have to worry about the bill! A liberal's dream! Maybe if someone is on public assistance for more than 5 years with no hope in sight of supporting themselves, they should have a mandatory sterilization! That goes for illegals as well.

And because of brainwashed ideological idiots in the GOP, we have millions of single mothers on welfare. Brilliant!

How did that happen? Did the GOP knock those women up while they weren't paying attention?

One Rep Senator, Murphy I believe who made the 20 week abortion law, knocked up his mistress and wanted her to have an abortion. You pubs will reap what you sow. Expect to see a lot more VD's and welfare moms due to weak men.

 

[JoeB131]

Does it stop PP funding? Basically, you're afraid that people will object and you don't want that. By forcing employers to do it, the government is ducking direct responsibility.

Personally, I would want to see employers get out of the Insurance Business altogether and go to single payer. But as long as we have to get our health insurance through our employers, then we better damned well make sure they aren't using their half-ass bronze age morality to overrule good medical judgement.

The only two people who should decide what treatment is appropriate is the patient and her doctor.

 

[keepitreal]

The Trump administration is rolling back the Obama-era requirement that employer-provided health insurance policies cover birth control methods at no cost to women.

According to senior officials with the Department of Health and Human Services, the goal of the new rule is to allow any company or nonprofit group to exclude the coverage for contraception if it has a religious or moral objection.

The change fulfills a promise President Trump made in May to the Catholic religious order The Little Sisters of the Poor in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden. The nuns had sued the Obama administration over the birth control requirement.

It also sets up a fight between advocates of religious freedom and those of equal rights for women. The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Trump Administration within hours of the rule being published, claiming it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which ensures that all people receive equal protection under the law.

Longer-acting contraception, like an intrauterine device, can cost more than $1,000, says Sarah Lipton-Lubet, a vice president at the National Partnership for Women and Families. She says the new rule is a tool for discrimination against women.

"Women shouldn't be denied access to basic health care based on their employers' religious beliefs," she says. "We all have the right to our religious beliefs. But the way that this rule treats religion is really an excuse to discriminate."

In addition to the ACLU, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, and California Attorney General Javier Becerra announced they too plan to file suit opposing the new rule.

Trump Guts Requirement That Employer Health Plans Pay For Birth Control

Maybe some of you leftists can help me out here. How in the world can you say not forcing employers to provide birth control is a violation of equal protection? What's not equal about it? And how is not paying for it "denying access" to birth control? Is there some law that states you can't buy birth control for yourself, and that only your employer can buy it for you?

Who here believes that when the founders wrote the Constitution, that they had forcing employers to provide things for their employees in mind?

You men probably insisted upon it, you got tired of paying for abortions.

You men probably insisted upon it, you got tired of paying for abortions

ROFLMMFAO

The 'I am woman, hear me roar', feminist following,
strong, independent and smart women,
who need free BC because they can't afford it
or a man to pay for their abortion,
because they were stupid enough to get pregnant

 

[Dragonlady]

Having a baby is a health issue, if the mother doesn't stay in good health, the baby suffers. And bc cost peanuts, whereas maternity leave and sick days to take care of your kid will cost at least as much as your boat, and probably more, because you sound like a cheap bastard who has his eye on a dingy.

Aren't all those things the responsibility of the mother and the father?

Oh, I don't have a dingy. I'm 73 and just bought another Harley that cost more than your past two cars, maybe three.

So why is the United States the only modern country without good health care system? Hint the GOP.

Right, we have such a terrible healthcare system that people from all over the world fly here to be part of it.

I'm a patient at the Cleveland Clinic, and let me tell you, when you walk into the Cleveland Clinic main campus downtown, you are the one who feels like a foreigner.

No they don't. Another lie from Big Medicine. People who go to the US for medical care, are very wealthy, and generally seeking experimental treatments they can't get at home.

Your health care system is crap unless you have millions to pay for it.

 

[Dragonlady]

The Trump administration is rolling back the Obama-era requirement that employer-provided health insurance policies cover birth control methods at no cost to women.

According to senior officials with the Department of Health and Human Services, the goal of the new rule is to allow any company or nonprofit group to exclude the coverage for contraception if it has a religious or moral objection.

The change fulfills a promise President Trump made in May to the Catholic religious order The Little Sisters of the Poor in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden. The nuns had sued the Obama administration over the birth control requirement.

It also sets up a fight between advocates of religious freedom and those of equal rights for women. The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Trump Administration within hours of the rule being published, claiming it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which ensures that all people receive equal protection under the law.

Longer-acting contraception, like an intrauterine device, can cost more than $1,000, says Sarah Lipton-Lubet, a vice president at the National Partnership for Women and Families. She says the new rule is a tool for discrimination against women.

"Women shouldn't be denied access to basic health care based on their employers' religious beliefs," she says. "We all have the right to our religious beliefs. But the way that this rule treats religion is really an excuse to discriminate."

In addition to the ACLU, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, and California Attorney General Javier Becerra announced they too plan to file suit opposing the new rule.

Trump Guts Requirement That Employer Health Plans Pay For Birth Control

Maybe some of you leftists can help me out here. How in the world can you say not forcing employers to provide birth control is a violation of equal protection? What's not equal about it? And how is not paying for it "denying access" to birth control? Is there some law that states you can't buy birth control for yourself, and that only your employer can buy it for you?

Who here believes that when the founders wrote the Constitution, that they had forcing employers to provide things for their employees in mind?

You men probably insisted upon it, you got tired of paying for abortions.

You men probably insisted upon it, you got tired of paying for abortions

ROFLMMFAO

The 'I am woman, hear me roar', feminist following,
strong, independent and smart women,
who need free BC because they can't afford it
or a man to pay for their abortion,
because they were stupid enough to get pregnant

No asshole. They need their health insurance to pay for it. It's a medical thing. Like your Viagara.

$12,000 a year for health insurance. It had better fucking pay for my birth control. Because otherwise it's going to pay a whole lot more for pregnancy and delivery.

 

[keepitreal]

It never HAS been a right. Just another of a million liberal lies that a woman has the right to kill her fetus because it's "her" body.

Nope. That is another body growing inside you, not YOUR body, it depends on you and unless the life of the mother is in danger from the pregnancy, it is nothing short of MURDER to have an abortion.

But liberals don't want to face the truth because to them, life is cheap and disposable.

Birth control is not abortion, abortion Nut Job...

No, anyone can buy a condom, they are cheap and I shouldn't have to buy them for anyone else. If you need me to pay for your diaphragm or pill, then maybe you should be more worried about getting a job instead of having a baby? But few birth control methods are INFALLIBLE, then it comes down to an unwanted pregnancy, so RIGHT TO BIRTH CONTROL goes HAND IN HAND with the RIGHT TO ABORTION.

It all stems from the desire for guilt free sex. No ties to God, no ties to marriage, no ties to the child. Just screw away, get rid of the kid and not even have to worry about the bill! A liberal's dream! Maybe if someone is on public assistance for more than 5 years with no hope in sight of supporting themselves, they should have a mandatory sterilization! That goes for illegals as well.

And because of brainwashed ideological idiots in the GOP, we have millions of single mothers on welfare. Brilliant!

How did that happen? Did the GOP knock those women up while they weren't paying attention?

One Rep Senator, Murphy I believe who made the 20 week abortion law, knocked up his mistress and wanted her to have an abortion. You pubs will reap what you sow. Expect to see a lot more VD's and welfare moms due to weak men.

Expect to see a lot more VD's and welfare moms due to weak men

Again...ROFLMMFAO

Only weak women, with low standards and no self respect,
spread their legs for anybody and anyone
and fuck around with weak, low life losers!