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Personally I dont like your options. I just want whites to stop whining about Black self determination, self segregation, self promotion. Its not up to Blacks to make it easier for whites. They are the ones that fucked up. They need to fix their shit if they want better relations.There is nothing wrong with being pro segregation as long as its not forced segregation. Yes the NOI says anti white things because whites as a group are the enemies. Now why would you think Black people would feel such a thing was true if whites were so trustworthy?This isnt a dissicussion about religion. I was just telling you that your claim that the NOI should be excluded from consideration was weak at best.
I didn't say it should be excluded. I said IF ____ THEN it should, and will, be excluded from consideration. I don't know that much about it except that I'm sure I've read NOI leaders saying flagrantly anti-white and pro-segregationist things in the past. If that has changed, so be it.
So ... why would white people take a group seriously that hates them by default? Makes no damn sense. It's like black people wanting to be friendly with the modern-day KKK.
But after 400 years of whites doing unfriendly things to us, you expect us to take whites seriously. That's arrogance.
Do you want real change, or not (thread title)? Do you want blacks and whites to get along better, or do you just want white people to vanish in a puff of smoke? Because the latter isn't likely to happen. Especially not in your lifetime.
POWERFUL!!!Teflon Theory of History
Saturday October 9th 2010 by abagond
The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good like the light bulb or the Declaration of Independence. Therefore those who make a big deal of the bad stuff in the past, like slavery, are Living in the Past and need to Get Over It.
For example:
Jim Crow laws were overturned by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Therefore according to Teflon Theory the Jim Crow period is now Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on how White Americans alive today think and act. None whatsoever. Or not much. So racism is pretty much dead.
Instead of Jim Crow’s effect slowly weakening over time like you would expect, Teflon Theory would have you suppose that it just disappeared like magic one afternoon sometime in the late 1960s. Even though many White Americans alive now were alive back in Jim Crow times. Even though many others were brought up and shaped by those who were alive back then: parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, writers, film directors, television producers, news editors and so on.
Few sit on a mountain top to come up with their beliefs all on their own. Instead most people pretty much go along with what everyone else already believes with maybe a few twists here and there. Such beliefs come from the past.
So then why is Teflon Theory believed?
Teflon Theory of History
- Because of how American history is taught:
- American history is taught as dates and people and facts that have little to do with each other. Sometimes the Effects of the the Civil War or Industrialization are studied, for example, but not so for the evil stuff – like how slavery and genocide led to present-day White American wealth, power and racism.
- American history as taught rarely comes up to the present day. History becomes something in the past, in a book, not something we live in right now.
- Because of the needs of White American self-image:
- White Americans want to think they are Basically Good and their society is Basically Just. Without Teflon Theory that becomes laughable since it flies in the face of history, common sense and human nature.
- White Americans avoid honestly facing up to their past because deep down they know it is ugly. Teflon Theory acts as a guard against having to take it seriously.
- Because middle-class whites are protected from the ugly present:
- Those who live in Apple-pie America rarely see first-hand the injustice that their comfortable lives are built on. And what injustice they do see on occasion, like black ghettos or wars on television fought overseas in their name, they have already learned to not see as injustice. But being protected from the ugly present makes the ugly past seem like another world, like it truly is ancient history with no bearing on the present.
What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
What do you think whitey should do about it, considering most of us have no more power to change than you do?what problems are you crying about now?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
please keep all your crybaby bullshit in this century.
I did. Because those laws and policies in many cases extended into this century, and some still exist. Also the damage caused by past policies have not been fixed, therefore the existing damage is part of this century. All of this inability to understand these matters are included in me saying that whitey needs to grow up and look at the laws ad policies whitey made that created the problem.
Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
My big brother IM2 already perfectly explained it to you. But yet, you continue to paint what he stated as "there not being ANY change."And there certainly has been real positive change. Those that deny that there has not been change are simply not credible. That is not to say that there is no need for more change. There will always be room for improvement because the human condition is not perfect.
Ya, because it's the justice system's fault that blacks commit so much crime.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Listen, educate your own, protest against, and vote against.What do you think whitey should do about it, considering most of us have no more power to change than you do?what problems are you crying about now?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
please keep all your crybaby bullshit in this century.
I did. Because those laws and policies in many cases extended into this century, and some still exist. Also the damage caused by past policies have not been fixed, therefore the existing damage is part of this century. All of this inability to understand these matters are included in me saying that whitey needs to grow up and look at the laws ad policies whitey made that created the problem.
Ya, we should reform the system to keep criminals in prison longer.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
Doubtful. The country (vast majority white people) just voted for another racist that uses fear of crime to win. Its the same method that produced the so called war on drugs that decimated the Black and Mexican communities.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.
“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
Ya, we should reform the system to keep criminals in prison longer.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
And we should start by locking up Chicago.Ya, we should reform the system to keep criminals in prison longer.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
How about, no. How about you stop talking.
Doubtful. The country (vast majority white people) just voted for another racist that uses fear of crime to win. Its the same method that produced the so called war on drugs that decimated the Black and Mexican communities.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?no one makes blacks listen.
good lord, if listening fixed anything it would have worked years ago.
time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your lives and stop blaming whitey every time you don't try to succeed.
It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
Thats just one of many of your white brothers that dont have a race problem and fear of genetic annihilation.Ya, we should reform the system to keep criminals in prison longer.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
How about, no. How about you stop talking.
There are way more whites voting to keep the prisons as is and hoping it gets worse...for BlacksDoubtful. The country (vast majority white people) just voted for another racist that uses fear of crime to win. Its the same method that produced the so called war on drugs that decimated the Black and Mexican communities.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?It's time whitey grew up and looked at the laws and policies whitey made that created the problems.
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
There are groups fighting for prison reform. Even republicans. It's not a black and white issue.
Thats just one of many of your white brothers that dont have a race problem and fear of genetic annihilation.Ya, we should reform the system to keep criminals in prison longer.Really? Lets just start with the police and the justice system.What policies and laws exist now that has created problems?
Pretty sure most are in favor of prison reform, including whites. Blame that one on the inability and inaction of congress.
How about, no. How about you stop talking.
There is nothing wrong with being pro segregation as long as its not forced segregation. Yes the NOI says anti white things because whites as a group are the enemies. Now why would you think Black people would feel such a thing was true if whites were so trustworthy?This isnt a dissicussion about religion. I was just telling you that your claim that the NOI should be excluded from consideration was weak at best.
I didn't say it should be excluded. I said IF ____ THEN it should, and will, be excluded from consideration. I don't know that much about it except that I'm sure I've read NOI leaders saying flagrantly anti-white and pro-segregationist things in the past. If that has changed, so be it.
So ... why would white people take a group seriously that hates them by default? Makes no damn sense. It's like black people wanting to be friendly with the modern-day KKK.
But after 400 years of whites doing unfriendly things to us, you expect us to take whites seriously. That's arrogance.
Do you want real change, or not (thread title)? Do you want blacks and whites to get along better, or do you just want white people to vanish in a puff of smoke? Because the latter isn't likely to happen. Especially not in your lifetime.
