I am Totally Disgusted With The GOP; I am Voting for Sanders

[JimBowie1958]

Let's say there are 10 things you want to do. I decide I'll let you do five your way, and tell you which five you can do, then you're going to do five my way.

I actually decided all ten, you weren't free for any of them because I chose not only the five that you had to do my way, but I chose the ones I allowed you to do yours.

They are socialist countries because government decides what the people are free to do, and that which they can give, they can take away

However you chose to describe their system, it WORKS and the people in those countries are not seeing the jobs exported, nor do they have to train their immigrant labor that is taking their jobs.

I'll tell you a far worse form of government than socialism; Corporate Crony Oligarchy. They fuck their own people day in and day out and the corporate owned media just ignores it all. And the wealthiest 1% blow all the statistics out fo the water, with the top 20% owning far more than the statistically average 80%. The top 1% alone owns that.

The Middle Class, that is me BTW, are getting reamed, robbed and lied to about it all.

It's going to be time to water the Tree of Liberty if things dont get fixed soon.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is this a late April fools prank?

No, Kormac. I am just sick to death of the bullshit dirty tricks lies and childishness going on inside the GOP, and it has diminished the party and its top people.

Sanders has far more integrity and courage than the top GOP candidates except for Trump, and I still give Sanders the edge with Trump.

When everyone that 'leads' the party are acting like a bunch of college freshman on Spring break, it is time to look elsewhere.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, Kormac. I am just sick to death of the bullshit dirty tricks lies and childishness going on inside the GOP, and it has diminished the party and its top people.

*Channels Morpheus*

What if I told you that this "bullshit, dirty tricks, lies, and childishness" permeates all of politics, and that voting for Bernie would simply be an endorsement of all the things you see wrong with the GOP?

What if I told you that voting for Bernie would fly in the face of all your core conservative beliefs?

I'm not telling you who to vote for, but is that really, absolutely what you want? A socialist running our country?

 

[JimBowie1958]

No, Kormac. I am just sick to death of the bullshit dirty tricks lies and childishness going on inside the GOP, and it has diminished the party and its top people.

*Channels Morpheus*

What if I told you that this "bullshit, dirty tricks, lies, and childishness" permeates all of politics, and that voting for Bernie would simply be an endorsement of all the things you see wrong with the GOP?

What if I told you that voting for Bernie would fly in the face of all your core conservative beliefs?

I'm not telling you who to vote for, but is that really, absolutely what you want? A socialist running our country?

I am old enough to remember when the parties had the general rule of not attacking their own candidates, of which Sanders is a part of.

Where is Sanders pulling dirty tricks? How many delegates has he robbed from Hillary when he did not have the votes?

The old Reagan Rule of 'Speak no evil of fellow Republicans' is dead and it is the GOP neocon elites that ended it the first time they thought they would lose again to an outsider. They hated Reagan for beating them, but the Bushes have tried their best to cement neocon control into the party.

They are disgusting pieces of filth, from George 'Vichy Republican' Will to Charles Kwakhammer.

While I have never registered as a Republican, I have generally voted Democrat locally and GOP at the state and federal level, with notable exceptions.

But I am sick of the GOP Establishment and I refuse to vote for another GOP 'Lesser Evil" ever again.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Where is Sanders pulling dirty tricks? How many delegates has he robbed from Hillary when he did not have the votes?

Sanders didn't necessarily condemn the protesters who shut down Trump's rally in Chicago.

It's all irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. We as conservatives preach the evils of socialism, but we (or at least you) are willing to elect a socialist to be our next leader. Socialism will destroy our country, but it doesn't have to destroy our standards.

Socialism is the high road that leads off a steep cliff.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But I am sick of the GOP Establishment and I refuse to vote for another GOP 'Lesser Evil" ever again.

But you're willing to vote for the greater one.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Where is Sanders pulling dirty tricks? How many delegates has he robbed from Hillary when he did not have the votes?

Sanders didn't necessarily condemn the protesters who shut down Trump's rally in Chicago.

It's all irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. We as conservatives preach the evils of socialism, but we (or at least you) are willing to elect a socialist to be our next leader. Socialism will destroy our country, but it doesn't have to destroy our standards.

Socialism is the high road that lead off a steep cliff.

Norway practices a lose form of Socialism that is to the left of what Sanders is proposing, and Norways economy is far stronger than that if the US.

If that is 'destroying' the country I;ll take it.

Better that than to continue exporting our jobs and importing black market labor.

 

[JimBowie1958]

But I am sick of the GOP Establishment and I refuse to vote for another GOP 'Lesser Evil" ever again.

But you're willing to vote for the greater one.

Why is Sanders the greater evil? Is he acting like a jack ass and ridiculing the spouse of his opponents? IS he garbling his answers to questions? IS Sanders telling the world he would immediately fire any campaign worker that was accused of a crime, without waiting for proof?

 

[Kat]

I would rather not vote than to vote for him. I don't want to pay thousands and thousands more in taxes. I pay enough!!

 

[JimBowie1958]

I would rather not vote than to vote for him. I don't want to pay thousands and thousands more in taxes. I pay enough!!

I do not like Sandrs tax hike plans, but I am willing to pay more taxes if it gets the economy moving by growing the consumer market, even if by government funding..

 

[Kat]

I would rather not vote than to vote for him. I don't want to pay thousands and thousands more in taxes. I pay enough!!

I do not like Sandrs tax hike plans, but I am willing to pay more taxes if it gets the economy moving by growing the consumer market, even if by government funding..

It won't. It will just pay out more to those that don't work...to illegals...and the economy will stay the same or get worse. I am not willing.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Look, Jim, do what you want. But I'll be blunt. If Bernie somehow defies all the laws of reality, becomes the Democratic nominee, and wins the White House, and you do vote for him, don't bother calling yourself conservative anymore (if you were conservative to begin with).

 

[JimBowie1958]

Here is an easy to use tax calculator for Sanders tax plan. If you dont buy insurance any moe and just go with the Medicare for all plan, you actually wind up saving money.

Bernie's tax plan

The top rate would be about 54%, which is still low by historical standards.

Bernie Sanders' Income Tax Brackets: How Much Would You Owe? -- The Motley Fool

And I have said it before, I am not an ideological conservative. I am a Catholic pro-Western Civilization type of conservative, for whom much of what we assume to be Gods Revelation simply is not true.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Here is an easy to use tax calculator for Sanders tax plan. If you don't buy insurance any more and just go with the Medicare for all plan, you actually wind up saving money.

At the expense of whom? Who do you think winds up having to pay for it?

Bernie Sanders' Income Tax Brackets: How Much Would You Owe? -- The Motley Fool

From that link:

"Based on initial estimates provided by the Tax Foundation, more tax revenue would be created, but it would come at a cost to the U.S. economy and all taxpayers. Over the next 10 years the Tax Foundation estimates roughly 6 million jobs would be lost, a 4.3% reduction in wages would occur, U.S. GDP would drop by nearly 10%, and we'd witness a whopping 18.6% fall in capital investments."

No sir. Not in a million years will I vote for a man willing to do that to our economy.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I wonder, is this why Jim had a change of heart?

That video is stupid. A Sander's agitator is received well at a Sander's rally, but isn't at a Trump rally.

 

[JQPublic1]

Yeah, thats a great move. Lenin was also disguising his communistic tendencies, from his mentor, marx, in the form of socialist progressive moves in order to fool the people.

Sanders isn't trying to fool anyone, he tells it like it is. Admitting he is a Democratic socialist took balls. I think a lot of Americans can appreciate that kind of honesty and courage. And that admission doesn't frighten me in the least because, if he is elected ,the power of governance will still be shared by two other branches. Frankly, I think Sanders has a shot if the young folks come out and vote.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, thats a great move. Lenin was also disguising his communistic tendencies, from his mentor, marx, in the form of socialist progressive moves in order to fool the people.

Sanders isn't trying to fool anyone, he tells it like it is. Admitting he is a Democratic socialist took balls. I think a lot of Americans can appreciate that kind of honesty and courage. And that admission doesn't frighten me in the least because, if he is elected ,the power of governance will still be shared by two other branches. Frankly, I think Sanders has a shot if the young folks come out and vote.

He isn't any "democratic socialist." He's a Stalinist. He spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Here is an easy to use tax calculator for Sanders tax plan. If you dont buy insurance any moe and just go with the Medicare for all plan, you actually wind up saving money.

Bernie's tax plan

The top rate would be about 54%, which is still low by historical standards.

Bernie Sanders' Income Tax Brackets: How Much Would You Owe? -- The Motley Fool

And I have said it before, I am not an ideological conservative. I am a Catholic pro-Western Civilization type of conservative, for whom much of what we assume to be Gods Revelation simply is not true.

. How about the government not forcing me to buy health insurance in the first place? That will save me the most money.

 

[SwimExpert]

I wonder, is this why Jim had a change of heart?

That video is stupid. A Sander's agitator is received well at a Sander's rally, but isn't at a Trump rally.

So, free hugs is agitating?

 

[Wilbur Right]

Yeah, I have probably lost some friends today,

Gained a couple too. I could vote for Sanders.