If abortion is so great why don't they show what it looks like?

[AntonToo]

[I can't tell if that's a yes or a no]...and I reject climate change as it is a payday for struggling socialist economies around the world!...see how that works?

No I don't. Wtf?

Cut the shit and just answer - do you seriously think a Day 1 zygote is a person with all the rights it entails?

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes, pointing out that your hate is literally the same as targeting the disabled or folks with diabetes or literally any other group of innocent human beings for being killed.

Because it is.

And that isn’t toxic vitriol, that is fact.

The insults are just a bonus, well-deserved.

Your accusation has zero basis in fact. I would/could never conceive of hating Zygotes as a particular group.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Your accusation has zero basis in fact. I would/could never conceive of hating Zygotes as a particular group.

And yet it is undeniable fact that you hate them, and not just Homo sapiens in that exceedingly brief first stage of life, but at all stages up to birth, because you are a bigot who thinks of them as inhuman property to be killed on their owner's whim.

The average Klansman or neo-Nazi is less hateful than you.

 

[JoeB131]

And yet it is undeniable fact that you hate them, and not just Homo sapiens in that exceedingly brief first stage of life, but at all stages up to birth, because you are a bigot who thinks of them as inhuman property to be killed on their owner's whim.

2/3rds of zygotes never attach to the uterine wall. We don't hold funerals over tampons.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

No I don't. Wtf?

thats problem 1 of many.
I suggest you refer back to your "there are only two choices, bad and worse"

Cut the shit and just answer -

do as you say and not as you do?

do you seriously think a Day 1 zygote is a person with all the rights it entails?

lots to unload and untangle in that sophomoric mess you're trying to accuse me of making...so to keep it short and let you get back to answering the "which is which" question you seem to be trying to escape from, I give you this bit of brevity.
A zygote is not an embryo which is not a fetus which is not an infant which is not a toddler which is not a post-pubescent teenager which is not an adult, but they are the necessary forms that comprise and constitute life...
so a zygote only needs the rights that guarantees its continued "life" but it is entitled to even the ones it has no use for... [that should clear up your confusion on the matter of which I have no horse in the race]
so to try and clear up the mess you've made for yourself [and are now trying to reword and assign to me], which category do you assign a zygote to when terminating it, your "bad" thing category? or your "worse" thing category?

all of this text because you do not want anything at all to do with answering your earlier claim of "bad" and "worse" as being a womans only choice on abortion.

 

[AntonToo]

thats problem 1 of many.
I suggest you refer back to your "there are only two choices, bad and worse"

do as you say and not as you do?

lots to unload and untangle in that sophomoric mess you're trying to accuse me of making...so to keep it short and let you get back to answering the "which is which" question you seem to be trying to escape from, I give you this bit of brevity.
A zygote is not an embryo which is not a fetus which is not an infant which is not a toddler which is not a post-pubescent teenager which is not an adult, but they are the necessary forms that comprise and constitute life...
so a zygote only needs the rights that guarantees its continued "life" but it is entitled to even the ones it has no use for... [that should clear up your confusion on the matter of which I have no horse in the race]
so to try and clear up the mess you've made for yourself [and are now trying to reword and assign to me], which category do you assign a zygote to when terminating it, your "bad" thing category? or your "worse" thing category?

all of this text because you do not want anything at all to do with answering your earlier claim of "bad" and "worse" as being a womans only choice on abortion.

Teenager and toddler are both persons, with personal rights. Killing them or willfully neglecting them is a crime.

Does a zygote have these personal right? Should it be criminal to kill or neglect it?

If you combine a sperm and an egg in a lab, is it a crime to then break the resulting cells, or wilfully let them die?

Can you answer that directly?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Teenager and toddler are both persons, with personal rights. Killing them or willfully neglecting them is a crime.

cuz that would be a "worse" thing"? how early would you have to get to them before it is just a "bad" thing?

Does a zygote have these personal right?

well if it does not, it would fall into one of your only two categories of either being a "bad" thing or "worse" thing

Should it be criminal to kill or neglect it?

if its either a "bad" thing or a "worse" thing then it should be, if not then no

If you combine a sperm and an egg in a lab, is it a crime to then break the resulting cells, or wilfully let them die?

if its a spotted owl/endangered species I would have to say yes

Can you answer that directly?

not without confirmation on "bad" or "worse"

now can you finally tell us if destroying a zygote falls into the "bad" or "worse" category?

 

[AntonToo]

cuz that would be a "worse" thing"? how early would you have to get to them before it is just a "bad" thing?

well if it does not, it would fall into one of your only two categories of either being a "bad" thing or "worse" thing

if its either a "bad" thing or a "worse" thing then it should be, if not then no

if its a spotted owl/endangered species I would have to say yes

not without confirmation on "bad" or "worse"

now can you finally tell us if destroying a zygote falls into the "bad" or "worse" category?

if if if if...deflect deflect deflect - too full of shit to answer a straight forward question.

Leads me to the conclusion - you don't want to answer it because you know that saying that a zygote is a person, with personal rights is an unmaintanable position.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

if if if if...deflect deflect deflect - too full of shit to answer a straight forward question.

lol... reads like a confession

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Leads me to the conclusion - you don't want to answer it because you know that saying that a zygote is a person, with personal rights is an unmaintanable position.

you are the only one having that conversation, I just want to know which of your categories [you do remember them don't you?] ending/destroying the zygote falls under, "bad"? or "worse"?

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

you know that saying that a zygote is a person, with personal rights is an unmaintanable position.

All living human beings should have their human rights protected with legal personhood.

There is nothing difficult about "maintaining" this position.

 

[AntonToo]

you are the only one having that conversation, I just want to know which of your categories [you do remember them don't you?] ending/destroying the zygote falls under, "bad"? or "worse"?

Bad OR worse. The point was there are no good options dumbass, not that one option is always better for every person at every stage of pregnancy.

Now how about you answer straight up instead of deflecting.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Bad OR worse. The point was there are no good options dumbass,

even when it comes to one day old zygotes?

not that one option is always better for every person at every stage of pregnancy.

and which "no good option" do you consider the termination of a zygote to be?

Now how about you answer straight up instead of deflecting.

I've not only stayed on point but have forced you to do so as well.

 

[AntonToo]

even when it comes to one day old zygotes?

and which "no good option" do you consider the termination of a zygote to be?

I've not only stayed on point but have forced you to do so as well.

....did you get the point about no good options?

Bad OR worse in general.
For zygote you take a pill (not too bad), but as pregnancy advances the choices get tougher and termination of it may become a worse option than keeping a child you don't want. Not going to become good no matter what.


You didn't force anything except to show your dishonesty in refusing to answer if you consider a Zygote a person with personal rights. You are full of shit.

 

[AntonToo]

you are the only one having that conversation

Chicken shit. Throwing your two dumb cents into abortion debate, but too fucking scared to admit position on the fundamental question.

 

[AntonToo]

All living human beings should have their human rights protected with legal personhood.

Personhood from conception will never happen in this country.

Never mind convincing me, you can't even convince right pro-choicers like Frankeneinstein that a zygote qualifies as a person with personal rights.

Nobody except some religious fundies believe that

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Personhood from inception will never happen in this country.

Conception, aka fertilization. Not "Inception." That was a movie with a lot of BWAH noises.

Never mind convincing me

No hope of that. A) You're incredibly stupid. B) You're incredibly dedicated to the slaughter of those you hate.

Nobody except some religious fundies believe

And yet here I am. Whoopsie daisy, you're wrong again.

 

[AntonToo]

No hope of that. A) You're incredibly stupid. B) You're incredibly dedicated to the slaughter of those you hate.

And yet here I am. Whoopsie daisy, you're wrong again.

enjoy a lifetime of fringe and disappointment.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

...did you get the point about no good options?

Yes, I was trying to find out which option you believed was in play

Bad OR worse in general.
For zygote you take a pill (not too bad), but as pregnancy advances the choices get tougher and termination of it may become a worse option than keeping a child you don't want. Not going to become good no matter what.

I didn't ask for an explanation/excuse of the choice, [but you just keep giving/making them anyway] just which one you thought was which

You didn't force anything

meaning you went off topic/point anyway

except to show your dishonesty in refusing to answer if you consider a Zygote a person with personal rights

I did answer it, but to go off topic and answer it again... I just tenuously consider it "life", [and that is subject to change and not all that important to me] one of many forms and steps in the human experience, much like the one you call a person.
so no, it has not reached the "person" stage in its development yet.

. You are full of shit.

is that because I won't admit that abortion has only two options for women? "bad" and "worse"? or is it that I exposed you for confessing it?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Chicken shit. Throwing your two dumb cents into abortion debate, but too fucking scared to admit position on the fundamental question.

I just want to know which option you choose. the rest is all yours