If Blacks started voting Republican, would the Dems finally focus on their actual problems?

[rightwinger]

What a stupid question

RW, you've responded to posts about the violent and dangerous criminals, with redirects to the "good people" that Trump discussed.


That's you being very clear that you don't want to do anything about them getting in here or staying here.


Stil, asking you why you don't care about them, might be a little harsh...



So, let me try it this way.



RW, why does your positions on this issues seem to have no consideration for the victims of these terrible rapists and murderers?

It is a stupid question

Why are you going all goofy on me?

Explain why it is a stupid question, if you can.


OR, admit that you are a cowardly dodger and that my point is correct, and then answer the fucking question.

Read post 552 you fear mongerer

Post 552 does not answer the question at all, and fearmonger implies that I am lying about the danger.


The danger is real. People are dying, or suffering from these violent criminals being here.



I have an answer,


yours is to let them commit crimes, before you do anything.


RW, why does your positions on this issues seem to have no consideration for the victims of these terrible rapists and murderers?

No, you are indeed fucked up

Blaming 10 million Mexicans for the actions of a few

Makes you one screwed up mother fucker

 

[rightwinger]

Eisenhower got 39% of the black vote in 1956, back when the GOP had yet to plunge headlong into the depths of rightwing extremism.

Yeah, I mean, Trump ran on bring back jobs and deporting illegal aliens.


How crazy it THAT?!

Where are all those jobs he brought back

 

[Correll]

RW, you've responded to posts about the violent and dangerous criminals, with redirects to the "good people" that Trump discussed.


That's you being very clear that you don't want to do anything about them getting in here or staying here.


Stil, asking you why you don't care about them, might be a little harsh...



So, let me try it this way.



RW, why does your positions on this issues seem to have no consideration for the victims of these terrible rapists and murderers?

It is a stupid question

Why are you going all goofy on me?

Explain why it is a stupid question, if you can.


OR, admit that you are a cowardly dodger and that my point is correct, and then answer the fucking question.

Read post 552 you fear mongerer

Post 552 does not answer the question at all, and fearmonger implies that I am lying about the danger.


The danger is real. People are dying, or suffering from these violent criminals being here.



I have an answer,


yours is to let them commit crimes, before you do anything.


RW, why does your positions on this issues seem to have no consideration for the victims of these terrible rapists and murderers?

No, you are indeed fucked up

Blaming 10 million Mexicans for the actions of a few

Makes you one screwed up mother fucker

1. I have not done that.

2. And still nothing from you demonstrating any concern for the victims of the violence. Or solution of your own.

 

[TNHarley]

Sorry Jillian I got those posts messed up.

 

[Correll]

Eisenhower got 39% of the black vote in 1956, back when the GOP had yet to plunge headlong into the depths of rightwing extremism.

Yeah, I mean, Trump ran on bring back jobs and deporting illegal aliens.


How crazy it THAT?!

Where are all those jobs he brought back

The point was that I refuted NYcarbineer's stupid claim that the GOP has become extremists.


Moving the discussion to how successful Trump's policies have been, is another topic, and one which I have and will be happy to discuss again.

Indeed, if you really want to, I will do so now.


AFTER you address my point about how wanting jobs back and deporting illegals shows that the GOP is not the party of extremists.


Otherwise, stfu, if you can't actually respond to what I post.

 

[Unkotare]

It sure as hell is. You know damn well that if you had to put your life in the hands of someone who wanted to help you so much that she had struggled and sacrificed to gain the skills and credentials to do so, or someone who had crossed her arms, rolled her eyes, and pouted about how "undue" the burden was, that you would choose the former every time.

The Nurse's aide should not be in charge of your life, that should be for the actual medical staff.

It is the greedy hospitals that want to put more and more work on the person making the least money, so they can give fewer hours to those making more.

Ever been to a hospital in a communist country?

Nope.

Not good.

Having nursing aides, NOT preforming medical care is hardly the same as communism.

Wow, way to miss the point.

 

[Correll]

The Nurse's aide should not be in charge of your life, that should be for the actual medical staff.

It is the greedy hospitals that want to put more and more work on the person making the least money, so they can give fewer hours to those making more.

Ever been to a hospital in a communist country?

Nope.

Not good.

Having nursing aides, NOT preforming medical care is hardly the same as communism.

Wow, way to miss the point.

So, then what is the point?

 

[rightwinger]

It is a stupid question

Why are you going all goofy on me?

Explain why it is a stupid question, if you can.


OR, admit that you are a cowardly dodger and that my point is correct, and then answer the fucking question.

Read post 552 you fear mongerer

Post 552 does not answer the question at all, and fearmonger implies that I am lying about the danger.


The danger is real. People are dying, or suffering from these violent criminals being here.



I have an answer,


yours is to let them commit crimes, before you do anything.


RW, why does your positions on this issues seem to have no consideration for the victims of these terrible rapists and murderers?

No, you are indeed fucked up

Blaming 10 million Mexicans for the actions of a few

Makes you one screwed up mother fucker

1. I have not done that.

2. And still nothing from you demonstrating any concern for the victims of the violence. Or solution of your own.

Your fear mongering is right out of Trumps playbook

You should be ashamed of yourself

 

[regent]

You mean like the Iraq war you lied us into?

'You'? Dude, I never lied to you. If you want to find the people who lied to you, go look up the quotes of liberals like John Kerry, who declared it was OBVIOUS there HAD TO BE a REGIME CHANGE, that Hussein HAD TO GO.

Liberals need to man the F* UP - grow a damn backbone, find some honesty and integrity somewhere inside you. Find the ability to admit your own mistakes, your own errors, take responsibility for your own actions.

When you claim ''you' lies to us' you are lying to yourself and / or admitting by blaming others for the actions of libs like Kerry is that Democrats are dumb as hell and are a bunch of lemmings who will buy anything they hear, and march right off the ledge.
The Democrats
'Buyer's Remorse' Butt-Hurt: Libs voted to give Bush the Constitutional Authority to take the country to war...and then tried to use the war against Bush and the Republicans. Democrats did not blindly vote to give Bush that authority, they ARGUED FOR WAR, they insisted we HAD to go to war, declared there HAD to be a regime change. So STFU, already.

Jump ahead to Barry. Barry dragged the US into UN-Constitutional, UN-Authorized war in Libya...to help Al '9/11/01' Qaeda, in Syria...to help ISIS...and had has troops in Yemen, Niger, Mali, etc...

Again, save me the 'Holier-Than-Thou' BS.

Goddam your posts are retarded.

The Iraq war resolution threw the responsibility on to Bush with the words that as the president determines it to be appropriate and necessary.

 

[Unkotare]

Ever been to a hospital in a communist country?

Nope.

Not good.

Having nursing aides, NOT preforming medical care is hardly the same as communism.

Wow, way to miss the point.

So, then what is the point?

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

 

[Correll]

Explain why it is a stupid question, if you can.


OR, admit that you are a cowardly dodger and that my point is correct, and then answer the fucking question.

Read post 552 you fear mongerer

Post 552 does not answer the question at all, and fearmonger implies that I am lying about the danger.


The danger is real. People are dying, or suffering from these violent criminals being here.



I have an answer,


yours is to let them commit crimes, before you do anything.


RW, why does your positions on this issues seem to have no consideration for the victims of these terrible rapists and murderers?

No, you are indeed fucked up

Blaming 10 million Mexicans for the actions of a few

Makes you one screwed up mother fucker

1. I have not done that.

2. And still nothing from you demonstrating any concern for the victims of the violence. Or solution of your own.

Your fear mongering is right out of Trumps playbook

You should be ashamed of yourself

And by refusing to address either of my points, again, you implicitly admit that you cannot.


You are lying about me blaming the many for the actions of the few, and you know it.


And you have no concern or solution for the victims of the violence. That is obvious by the way you CONSTANTLY refuse to even mention them.


Your position is intellectually and morally indefensible.


You lose.

 

[Correll]

Nope.

Not good.

Having nursing aides, NOT preforming medical care is hardly the same as communism.

Wow, way to miss the point.

So, then what is the point?

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

Nurses are the ones motivated to go to school to learn and get the degree to give the medical care, as you were discussing.


Have THEM do the job they were trained for. Pay their wages. Don't send them home and try to have the Nurse's AIDE do the medical care.

 

[rightwinger]

Like, would they finally say "culture" or "black on black violence?" Or maybe "gang?"

^^^^^^^^^^

the reason people of color don't vote GOP.

Those aren't problems?

not how to approach people of color.

if you all didn't sound like racists, they'd probably vote GOP.... because they're naturally conservative, church-going types.

but you'd have to drop the stereotypes to know that. and you might want to talk about the fact that they have to be afraid their young men are going to be shot by cops if they get pulled over for a blown tail light.

how 'bout that?

Police don't shoot anybody because they have a blown taillight, they shoot people who present some kind of threat to them.

I guess we Republicans will never get the black vote because we don't lie as well as Democrats.

Very true

The problem today is that police look at every traffic stop of a black man as a potential threat. The result is unarmed black men being shot for reaching for identification or not responding correctly to a command

Usually the cop gets off once he claims he felt "threatened"
The black community is outraged that an unarmed black man was killed for no reason
They want it know that those lives matter

 

[Unkotare]

Not good.

Having nursing aides, NOT preforming medical care is hardly the same as communism.

Wow, way to miss the point.

So, then what is the point?

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

Nurses are the ones motivated to go to school to learn and get the degree to give the medical care, as you were discussing.


Have THEM do the job they were trained for. Pay their wages. Don't send them home and try to have the Nurse's AIDE do the medical care.

Anyone not motivated enough to gain the skills to do the job to the best of their ability shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near patients.

 

[Correll]

Having nursing aides, NOT preforming medical care is hardly the same as communism.

Wow, way to miss the point.

So, then what is the point?

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

Nurses are the ones motivated to go to school to learn and get the degree to give the medical care, as you were discussing.


Have THEM do the job they were trained for. Pay their wages. Don't send them home and try to have the Nurse's AIDE do the medical care.

Anyone not motivated enough to gain the skills to do the job to the best of their ability shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near patients.

THe skills needed to do a Nurse's aide's job doesn't require formal schooling so much as some on the job training.


Help move a patient, empty a bed pan, give a sponge bath, these things need done but do not require highly motivated people with high levels of training.

 

[Unkotare]

Wow, way to miss the point.

So, then what is the point?

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

Nurses are the ones motivated to go to school to learn and get the degree to give the medical care, as you were discussing.


Have THEM do the job they were trained for. Pay their wages. Don't send them home and try to have the Nurse's AIDE do the medical care.

Anyone not motivated enough to gain the skills to do the job to the best of their ability shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near patients.

THe skills needed to do a Nurse's aide's job doesn't require formal schooling so much as some on the job training.


Help move a patient, empty a bed pan, give a sponge bath, these things need done but do not require highly motivated people with high levels of training.

Spoken like a slack-ass loser. People like you enervate society and put lives in danger.

 

[Correll]

So, then what is the point?

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

Nurses are the ones motivated to go to school to learn and get the degree to give the medical care, as you were discussing.


Have THEM do the job they were trained for. Pay their wages. Don't send them home and try to have the Nurse's AIDE do the medical care.

Anyone not motivated enough to gain the skills to do the job to the best of their ability shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near patients.

THe skills needed to do a Nurse's aide's job doesn't require formal schooling so much as some on the job training.


Help move a patient, empty a bed pan, give a sponge bath, these things need done but do not require highly motivated people with high levels of training.

Spoken like a slack-ass loser. People like you enervate society and put lives in danger.

How does NOT supporting formal training of nurse's aides so that they can empty a bed pan, put lives in danger?

 

[Markle]

Bullshit. I know Hillary and Kerry were lied to because we were all lied to.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
- President Clinton in 1998 “

[…], when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.”
- President Clinton , Jan. 27, 1998 – State of the Union

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 .

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraqis nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”

“Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.”

“Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”
- President Bill Clinton, Dec. 16, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."
- Madeline Albright, 1998 Clinton Secretary of State

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "

Update: September 8, 2005 - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them..

[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 .

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 .

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 .


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 .

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 .

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 .

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 .

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003" (Currently President Barack Hussein Obama’s Secretary of State)

I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."
- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003


"Saddam is gone and good riddance," former President Bill Clinton said yesterday, but he urged President Bush to resist trying to get even with nations that opposed the war.


"There are German and French soldiers in Afghanistan today. Does the President want them to come home?" Clinton said at a Manhattan forum on corporate integrity.


Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction)



He [President Clinton] praised Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for their handling of the war, but said Bush should have waited longer before attacking for the "chance that either [Saddam Hussein] would have disarmed or . . . we would have had far more members of the Security Council with us."


Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.


"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.

- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.

 

[Markle]

And every teacher I talk says they are not Republicans and that Republicans are anti teacher.

That's a lie.

Republican's are NOT anti-teacher, we are anti-teacher unions.

 

[Unkotare]

People doing a job they are 'given' or 'assigned,' rather than earned tend to suck at it.

Nurses are the ones motivated to go to school to learn and get the degree to give the medical care, as you were discussing.


Have THEM do the job they were trained for. Pay their wages. Don't send them home and try to have the Nurse's AIDE do the medical care.

Anyone not motivated enough to gain the skills to do the job to the best of their ability shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near patients.

THe skills needed to do a Nurse's aide's job doesn't require formal schooling so much as some on the job training.


Help move a patient, empty a bed pan, give a sponge bath, these things need done but do not require highly motivated people with high levels of training.

Spoken like a slack-ass loser. People like you enervate society and put lives in danger.

How does NOT supporting formal training of nurse's aides so that they can empty a bed pan, put lives in danger?

Allowing people without the minimum of motivation to gain the skills needed for their job puts lives in danger.