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While dolphins have, indeed, attacked sharks that were attacking humans, to claim they were doing it to "save" the human is pure anthropomorphism. It comes from, as the link below states, the whackadoodle fringe.Dolphins have saved humans from shark attack
Aren't you an atheist?So?Good and evil is a religious distinction. For atheists, it's all relative.Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.
.Stalin purged about 39 million of his own citizens. Mao up to twice as many.how any worse could socialism be than what your religion, christianity has already proven capable of ...
you are simply afraid of life without your book ... to control what otherwise is beyond your persuasion, free Spirits without the shackles of your false religion, promiscuity.
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Still, mankind is his own worst enemy. Christians and Socialists throwing rocks at each other with each claiming the other is worse reminds me of an ape fighting its own image.
Still, mankind is his own worst enemy.
This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.You have terrible logic.... You can apply the same argument to slavery. Substitute the word "slavery" for "Christianity" in the above sentences, and you'll see what I mean.
No. That argument does not work. Does slavery still exist? No. Why not? Because it was based on failed behaviors and error cannot stand. Does Western Civilization still exist? Yes. Why? Because virtue is the greatest organizing principle of men. Despite your beliefs to the contrary, Western Civilization was built on the virtues of Christianity. Unlike failed behaviors, successful behaviors lead to success. The proof is in the pudding.
What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...
Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.
The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?
And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...
Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.
The History of SlaveryBased on your logic, slavery should also be a force for good. Which is understandable, based on the amount of slaves Christianity has created.
Slavery has existed since the beginning of mankind. Most of it was indentured servitude, not forced slavery. You act like this was a Christian invention. I suggest you do some research into just how many slaves were brought to America compared to the rest of the world. I believe it was something like 6%. They were brought here by the British. It was a British institution not a Christian institution. The reason we have race problem today is because back in the 17th century (maybe 18th) a British official wrote a law to prevent mixing of races which spread throughout the colonies. The rest of the world did not do this and allowed the races to mix.
The Greeks justified forced slavery because they believed they were morally superior. The Romans believed that forced slavery was against the Law of Nature but justified it on the grounds of state supremacy. Our Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Law of Nature but knew not how to end it at the time of our founding but wrote the Constitution is a way that would lead to its end. I suspect that you have such a poor opinion of America and Christians that you won't believe this either. Why? Because it appears that you believe slavery existed because of Christians.
Slavery was a religious invention, not necessarily a Christian one. But the Christians took full reigns on that one once they got in power, and have been promoting it for about 2000 years.
Which is totally against what the idea of Jesus is about.
But hey, why bother with trivial things like that?
I believe in Jesus as a symbol for goodness. Christianity has not followed the goodness that he represented. And, along with other religions, they have done the most cruel, sickening, and inhumane acts in the history of the world.
That is not what Jesus was about... I hope you can embrace the idea of goodness, without need for a ruler with a whip and financial interests.
I wish you, and everyone here, a Merry Christmas!
The Pope
The 15th century Portuguese exploration of the African coast is commonly regarded as the harbinger of European colonialism. In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, granting Afonso V of Portugal the right to reduce any "Saracens, pagans and any other unbelievers" to hereditary slavery which legitimized slave trade under Catholic beliefs of that time. This approval of slavery was reaffirmed and extended in his Romanus Pontifex bull of 1455.
Below is a letter, which King Ferdinand sent along with Columbus on his second voyage to Haiti. It was to be communicated to the Taino/Arawak Indians.
The letter:
In the name of King Ferdinand and Juana, his daughter, Queen of Castile and Leon, etc., conquerors of barbarian nations, we notify you as best we can that our Lord God Eternal created Heaven and earth and a man and woman from whom we all descend for all times and all over the world. In the 5,000 years since creation the multitude of these generations caused men to divide and establish kingdoms in various parts of the world, among whom God chose St. Peter as leader of mankind, regardless of their law, sect or belief. He seated St. Peter in Rome as the best place from which to rule the world but he allowed him to establish his seat in all parts of the world and rule all people, whether Christians, Moors, Jews, Gentiles or any other sect. He was named Pope, which means admirable and greatest father, governor of all men. Those who lived at that time obeyed St. Peter as Lord and superior King of the universe, and so did their descendants obey his successors and so on to the end of time.
The late Pope gave these islands and mainland of the ocean and the contents hereof to the above-mentioned King and Queen, as is certified in writing and you may see the documents if you should so desire. Therefore, Their Highnesses are lords and masters of this land; they were acknowledged as such when this notice was posted, and were and are being served willingly and without resistance; then, their religious envoys were acknowledged and obeyed without delay, and all subjects unconditionally and of their own free will became Christians and thus they remain. Their Highnesses received their allegiance with joy and benignity and decreed that they be treated in this spirit like good and loyal vassals and you are under the obligation to do the same.
Therefore, we request that you understand this text, deliberate on its contents within a reasonable time, and recognize the Church and its highest priest, the Pope, as rulers of the universe, and in their name the King and Queen of Spain as rulers of this land, allowing the religious fathers to preach our holy Faith to you. You own compliance as a duty to the King and we in his name will receive you with love and charity, respecting your freedom and that of your wives and sons and your rights of possession and we shall not compel you to baptism unless you, informed of the Truth, wish to convert to our holy Catholic Faith as almost all your neighbors have done in other islands, in exchange for which Their Highnesses bestow many privileges and exemptions upon you. Should you fail to comply, or delay maliciously in so doing, we assure you that with the help of God we shall use force against you, declaring war upon you from all sides and with all possible means, and we shall bind you to the yoke of the Church and of Their Highnesses; we shall enslave your persons, wives and sons, sell you or dispose of you as the King sees fit; we shall seize your possessions and harm you as much as we can as disobedient and resisting vassals. And we declare you guilty of resulting deaths and injuries, exempting Their Highnesses of such guilt as well as ourselves and the gentlemen who accompany us. We hereby request that legal signatures be affixed to this text and pray those present to bear witness for us, etc.
These Papal bulls came to serve as a justification for the subsequent era of slave trade and European colonialism. Although for a short period as in 1462, Pius II declared slavery to be "a great crime". The followers of the church of England and Protestants did not use the papal bull as a justification. The position of the church was to condemn the slavery of Christians, but slavery was regarded as an old established and necessary institution which supplied Europe with the necessary workforce. In the 16th century African slaves had substituted almost all other ethnicities and religious enslaved groups in Europe. Within the Portuguese territory of Brazil, and even beyond its original borders, the enslavement of native Americans was carried out by the Bandeirantes.
The Bandeirantes or "followers of the banner" were Portuguese colonial scouts in Brazil, members of the 16th-18th century South American slave-hunting expeditions, called Bandeiras (Portuguese for "flags"). Their purpose was to capture natives and force them into slavery.
Religion is a tool. Every time you use the word "religion" insert the word "shovel" or "fork" and see if the sentence looks silly or not. Do the same for the word "socialism" or "democracy". If those don't work then use the word "mankind"..Stalin purged about 39 million of his own citizens. Mao up to twice as many.how any worse could socialism be than what your religion, christianity has already proven capable of ...
you are simply afraid of life without your book ... to control what otherwise is beyond your persuasion, free Spirits without the shackles of your false religion, promiscuity.
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Still, mankind is his own worst enemy. Christians and Socialists throwing rocks at each other with each claiming the other is worse reminds me of an ape fighting its own image.
Still, mankind is his own worst enemy.
certainly to date no recorded religion has intervened to make it otherwise or if you blame mankind for the faults of a few individuals what is your solution, more of the same.
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Im talking about how Americans feel about those three things. My point is if they equate democracy with God and capitalism with democracy it's hard to convince them that capitalism is just another corruptable ism.Disagreed with your broad brush view of Americans.....But Americans do equated capitalism to democracy and democracy with christianity
Capitalism is an economic system which does work well with democracies and republics. Our democracy/republic does, for obvious reasons, have ties to Christianity since many of our Founders were Christians, but democracy isn't necessarily Christian. Look at Turkey.
The truth is we aren't smart enough to know if other animals believe in evil or gods. God didn't make us that smart. We are just the smartest creatures on this one planet. Not the fastest or strongest and we can't stand extreme temperatures like tardigrade.While dolphins have, indeed, attacked sharks that were attacking humans, to claim they were doing it to "save" the human is pure anthropomorphism. It comes from, as the link below states, the whackadoodle fringe.Dolphins have saved humans from shark attack
Dolphins Saved a Swimmer From a Shark! A Rare Combination of Three Marine Myths.
Evidence that Americans feel this way or is this just your perception that Americans feel that way?Im talking about how Americans feel about those three things. My point is if they equate democracy with God and capitalism with democracy it's hard to convince them that capitalism is just another corruptable ism.Disagreed with your broad brush view of Americans.....But Americans do equated capitalism to democracy and democracy with christianity
Capitalism is an economic system which does work well with democracies and republics. Our democracy/republic does, for obvious reasons, have ties to Christianity since many of our Founders were Christians, but democracy isn't necessarily Christian. Look at Turkey.
If it gets too bad we will develop a new ism but it's hard to scrap the current ism when it's gods favorite.
That's an incorrect statement. Measuring intelligence in animals is fairly straightforward. However, if you want to believe in unicorns and magic crystals, go for it.The truth is we aren't smart enough to know if other animals believe in evil or gods. ....
What you are saying is religions have books with very specific absolutes. So what? We have something better. A new rule book that can change with the times. And religion changes too. Look at how the new Pope just commuted the sentence of hell for all the Catholic women who got abortions.Aren't you an atheist?So?Good and evil is a religious distinction. For atheists, it's all relative.Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.
I agree. Even our very corrupt system where we are getting screwed by the rich and poor can be fixed if people just showed up to vote.Evidence that Americans feel this way or is this just your perception that Americans feel that way?Im talking about how Americans feel about those three things. My point is if they equate democracy with God and capitalism with democracy it's hard to convince them that capitalism is just another corruptable ism.Disagreed with your broad brush view of Americans.....But Americans do equated capitalism to democracy and democracy with christianity
Capitalism is an economic system which does work well with democracies and republics. Our democracy/republic does, for obvious reasons, have ties to Christianity since many of our Founders were Christians, but democracy isn't necessarily Christian. Look at Turkey.
If it gets too bad we will develop a new ism but it's hard to scrap the current ism when it's gods favorite.
FWIW, all of mankind's endeavors are corruptible. Some are just less corruptible or, at least, more easily righted. Socialism, dictatorships and other highly authoritarian governments are difficult to correct without violence.
Wrong again. You need to stop jumping to conclusions. Try taking a deep breath, slowly let it out and try to see the world as it is and not as you want it to be.What you are saying is religions have books with very specific absolutes....
Only a couple years ago we didn't think other animals were gay and turns out we are wrong.That's an incorrect statement. Measuring intelligence in animals is fairly straightforward. However, if you want to believe in unicorns and magic crystals, go for it.The truth is we aren't smart enough to know if other animals believe in evil or gods. ....
FWIW, "agnostic atheist" is as logical as "democrat republican" or "socialist capitalist".....it does fit in with the magic crystal crowd.
Agreed. Now how do you get that other 40-50% to show up?I agree. Even our very corrupt system where we are getting screwed by the rich and poor can be fixed if people just showed up to vote.
Do I have proof people in the bible belt believe America democracy and capitalism are God's favorite? No but I know that is their mentality and I've heard this about nationalistic countries.
Ps. I believe the best way is some capitalism and some things should be socialized.
Prove it. Homosexual acts do not equate to being 100% homosexual.Only a couple years ago we didn't think other animals were gay and turns out we are wrong...
I was going to say that! So true.Wrong again. You need to stop jumping to conclusions. Try taking a deep breath, slowly let it out and try to see the world as it is and not as you want it to be.What you are saying is religions have books with very specific absolutes....
Although the canonical Bible has several translations, even if we only used the KJV there'd still be a lot of interpretations thus creating dozens of different denominations. Ego, no, religions don't have "books with very specific absolutes". It's up to interpretation.
You can get your evidence by asking any usmb right winger who believes America is God's favorite. Ask them if capitalism is God's favorite ism.Agreed. Now how do you get that other 40-50% to show up?I agree. Even our very corrupt system where we are getting screwed by the rich and poor can be fixed if people just showed up to vote.
Do I have proof people in the bible belt believe America democracy and capitalism are God's favorite? No but I know that is their mentality and I've heard this about nationalistic countries.
Ps. I believe the best way is some capitalism and some things should be socialized.
Ahh, now you are qualifying it. Good. Please post your evidence.
I tend to agree. The best form of government and economic system is a Republic with regulated capitalism and a social safety net for the weak.
Divine.Wind read this oneThis is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.You have terrible logic.... You can apply the same argument to slavery. Substitute the word "slavery" for "Christianity" in the above sentences, and you'll see what I mean.
No. That argument does not work. Does slavery still exist? No. Why not? Because it was based on failed behaviors and error cannot stand. Does Western Civilization still exist? Yes. Why? Because virtue is the greatest organizing principle of men. Despite your beliefs to the contrary, Western Civilization was built on the virtues of Christianity. Unlike failed behaviors, successful behaviors lead to success. The proof is in the pudding.
What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...
Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.
The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?
And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...
Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.
As I already said, Socialism is a religion that is very closely related to two Christian religions, one of which we have a holiday for, minus the "god". The goal of socialism is to get to Communism, rather than Heaven. And of course, the goal is unattainable, but people are forced to strive and obey their rulers regardless, and the rulers keep making more money and power, while never letting the truth be known.
Let me explain. Theists say God visited so they know God exists. What is the opposite of that? It's atheism.That's an incorrect statement. Measuring intelligence in animals is fairly straightforward. However, if you want to believe in unicorns and magic crystals, go for it.The truth is we aren't smart enough to know if other animals believe in evil or gods. ....
FWIW, "agnostic atheist" is as logical as "democrat republican" or "socialist capitalist".....it does fit in with the magic crystal crowd.
