If God doesn't exist...

[sealybobo]

Only a couple years ago we didn't think other animals were gay and turns out we are wrong...

Prove it. Homosexual acts do not equate to being 100% homosexual.

You prove it. Jack a jackass off and see if he don't come back for seconds.

 

[sealybobo]

Only a couple years ago we didn't think other animals were gay and turns out we are wrong...

Prove it. Homosexual acts do not equate to being 100% homosexual.

Follow me down to the bottom of the ocean where homo dolphins do it. Now can you talk to them? Then we don't know.

The dolphin brain has been evolving for millions of years longer than ours. We don't know how intelligent they are. Did you hear about the lady in the 70's who gave dolphins LSD and had sex with them? We didn't learn very much since then unless you can show me we now completely understand the intelligence of these creatures

 

[BreezeWood]

how any worse could socialism be than what your religion, christianity has already proven capable of ...

you are simply afraid of life without your book ... to control what otherwise is beyond your persuasion, free Spirits without the shackles of your false religion, promiscuity.

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Stalin purged about 39 million of his own citizens. Mao up to twice as many.

Still, mankind is his own worst enemy. Christians and Socialists throwing rocks at each other with each claiming the other is worse reminds me of an ape fighting its own image.

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Still, mankind is his own worst enemy.

certainly to date no recorded religion has intervened to make it otherwise or if you blame mankind for the faults of a few individuals what is your solution, more of the same.

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Religion is a tool. Every time you use the word "religion" insert the word "shovel" or "fork" and see if the sentence looks silly or not. Do the same for the word "socialism" or "democracy". If those don't work then use the word "mankind".

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certainly to date no recorded religion has intervened to make it otherwise or if you blame mankind for the faults of a few individuals what is your solution, more of the same.

Religion is a tool. Every time you use the word "religion" insert the word "shovel" or "fork" and see if the sentence looks silly or not. Do the same for the word "socialism" or "democracy". If those don't work then use the word "mankind".

I'm not seeing a response to what I wrote - you are just offering "the same" without a qualified solution.

my solution is to undo the 4th century bible to free those Spirits that so misguidedly set a course of mindless debauchery, bing and bring to lite the true simple message as a goal to be accomplished - that could lead in the beginning to a social democracy, anything better than the centuries of the same ...

ridiculing Fauna is not for me ever in good taste, and proves the depravity of humanity.

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[BreezeWood]

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another example of a mindless debauchery ... human x being, the 4th century bible and modern society.

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another example of a mindless debauchery ... human x being, the 4th century bible and modern society.

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74% of Americans apparently disagree with you.

 

[ding]

You have terrible logic.... You can apply the same argument to slavery. Substitute the word "slavery" for "Christianity" in the above sentences, and you'll see what I mean.

No. That argument does not work. Does slavery still exist? No. Why not? Because it was based on failed behaviors and error cannot stand. Does Western Civilization still exist? Yes. Why? Because virtue is the greatest organizing principle of men. Despite your beliefs to the contrary, Western Civilization was built on the virtues of Christianity. Unlike failed behaviors, successful behaviors lead to success. The proof is in the pudding.

What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...

Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.

The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?

And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Do you believe it is right to end a human life for selfish reasons? If so, it is likely that you have rationalized that they are not human and you have no distinction between good and evil.

 

[Divine Wind]

What you are saying is religions have books with very specific absolutes....

Wrong again. You need to stop jumping to conclusions. Try taking a deep breath, slowly let it out and try to see the world as it is and not as you want it to be.

Although the canonical Bible has several translations, even if we only used the KJV there'd still be a lot of interpretations thus creating dozens of different denominations. Ego, no, religions don't have "books with very specific absolutes". It's up to interpretation.

I was going to say that! So true.

I was watching an old Jesus movie the other day and supposedly thousands of people saw/witnessed/experienced Jesus. Then it dawned on me that those people weren't the first Christians. They didn't write the new testament and pass on the story to their children. A guy name Paul showed up in greece 40 years after the fact and told the Greeks these stories. Soooo not believable

Agreed the evidence is sketchy, but the impact is real. It wasn't that many years ago that scientists proved the existence of the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs due to a constant layer of iridium. The results of an event indicate it happened even if there isn't direct proof it did. In this case, I'm referring to the existence of Jesus and his movement, not necessarily all of the miracles or divinity attributed to him.

 

[Divine Wind]

Only a couple years ago we didn't think other animals were gay and turns out we are wrong...

Prove it. Homosexual acts do not equate to being 100% homosexual.

You prove it. Jack a jackass off and see if he don't come back for seconds.

Prove a negative? That's not very scientific. In fact, it sounds a lot more like an emotional argument. Another case of you seeing the world the way you want it to be and not the way it really is.

 

[sealybobo]

No. That argument does not work. Does slavery still exist? No. Why not? Because it was based on failed behaviors and error cannot stand. Does Western Civilization still exist? Yes. Why? Because virtue is the greatest organizing principle of men. Despite your beliefs to the contrary, Western Civilization was built on the virtues of Christianity. Unlike failed behaviors, successful behaviors lead to success. The proof is in the pudding.

What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...

Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.

The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?

And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Do you believe it is right to end a human life for selfish reasons? If so, it is likely that you have rationalized that they are not human and you have no distinction between good and evil.

No. All those lives taken in Iraq over oil was wrong! Very selfish. Bush is a christian

 

[sealybobo]

What you are saying is religions have books with very specific absolutes....

Wrong again. You need to stop jumping to conclusions. Try taking a deep breath, slowly let it out and try to see the world as it is and not as you want it to be.

Although the canonical Bible has several translations, even if we only used the KJV there'd still be a lot of interpretations thus creating dozens of different denominations. Ego, no, religions don't have "books with very specific absolutes". It's up to interpretation.

I was going to say that! So true.

I was watching an old Jesus movie the other day and supposedly thousands of people saw/witnessed/experienced Jesus. Then it dawned on me that those people weren't the first Christians. They didn't write the new testament and pass on the story to their children. A guy name Paul showed up in greece 40 years after the fact and told the Greeks these stories. Soooo not believable

Agreed the evidence is sketchy, but the impact is real. It wasn't that many years ago that scientists proved the existence of the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs due to a constant layer of iridium. The results of an event indicate it happened even if there isn't direct proof it did. In this case, I'm referring to the existence of Jesus and his movement, not necessarily all of the miracles or divinity attributed to him.

Ok fine. He may have really existed

 

[there4eyeM]

No. That argument does not work. Does slavery still exist? No. Why not? Because it was based on failed behaviors and error cannot stand. Does Western Civilization still exist? Yes. Why? Because virtue is the greatest organizing principle of men. Despite your beliefs to the contrary, Western Civilization was built on the virtues of Christianity. Unlike failed behaviors, successful behaviors lead to success. The proof is in the pudding.

What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...

Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.

The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?

And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Do you believe it is right to end a human life for selfish reasons? If so, it is likely that you have rationalized that they are not human and you have no distinction between good and evil.

Seen this way, the U.S. has no mentioned distinction.
Life remains to be defined.

 

[Divine Wind]

Ok fine. He may have really existed

Agreed. I think many of the words attributed to him in the Bible are true. In many cases so-called Christians don't follow those words, but they use those words for selfish goals. Look at all the hate spread by self-named Christians on this forum.

It reminds me of that bumper sticker which says "I Love Jesus. It's his fan club I can't stand".

 

[ding]

You have terrible logic.... You can apply the same argument to slavery. Substitute the word "slavery" for "Christianity" in the above sentences, and you'll see what I mean.

No. That argument does not work. Does slavery still exist? No. Why not? Because it was based on failed behaviors and error cannot stand. Does Western Civilization still exist? Yes. Why? Because virtue is the greatest organizing principle of men. Despite your beliefs to the contrary, Western Civilization was built on the virtues of Christianity. Unlike failed behaviors, successful behaviors lead to success. The proof is in the pudding.

What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...

Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.

The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?

And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

As I already said, Socialism is a religion that is very closely related to two Christian religions, one of which we have a holiday for, minus the "god". The goal of socialism is to get to Communism, rather than Heaven. And of course, the goal is unattainable, but people are forced to strive and obey their rulers regardless, and the rulers keep making more money and power, while never letting the truth be known.

Socialism intentionally denies examination. In fact there is no formal defined dogma. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something noble and good, of equality, communal ownership, and justice: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. World socialism as a whole, and all the figures associated with it, are shrouded in legend; its contradictions are forgotten or concealed; it does not respond to arguments but continually ignores them--all this stems from the mist of irrationality that surrounds socialism and from its instinctive aversion to scientific analysis. Socialism dismisses its defeats and ignores its incongruities. The genesis of the first socialist doctrines were reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. Socialism is diametrically opposed between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

Socialism acts like a religion which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

 

[ding]

Based on your logic, slavery should also be a force for good. Which is understandable, based on the amount of slaves Christianity has created.

Slavery has existed since the beginning of mankind. Most of it was indentured servitude, not forced slavery. You act like this was a Christian invention. I suggest you do some research into just how many slaves were brought to America compared to the rest of the world. I believe it was something like 6%. They were brought here by the British. It was a British institution not a Christian institution. The reason we have race problem today is because back in the 17th century (maybe 18th) a British official wrote a law to prevent mixing of races which spread throughout the colonies. The rest of the world did not do this and allowed the races to mix.

The Greeks justified forced slavery because they believed they were morally superior. The Romans believed that forced slavery was against the Law of Nature but justified it on the grounds of state supremacy. Our Founding Fathers believed that slavery was against the Law of Nature but knew not how to end it at the time of our founding but wrote the Constitution is a way that would lead to its end. I suspect that you have such a poor opinion of America and Christians that you won't believe this either. Why? Because it appears that you believe slavery existed because of Christians.

Slavery was a religious invention, not necessarily a Christian one. But the Christians took full reigns on that one once they got in power, and have been promoting it for about 2000 years.

Which is totally against what the idea of Jesus is about.

But hey, why bother with trivial things like that?

I believe in Jesus as a symbol for goodness. Christianity has not followed the goodness that he represented. And, along with other religions, they have done the most cruel, sickening, and inhumane acts in the history of the world.

That is not what Jesus was about... I hope you can embrace the idea of goodness, without need for a ruler with a whip and financial interests.

I wish you, and everyone here, a Merry Christmas!

The History of Slavery

Again, you paste something without even reading it. Maybe you're hoping that God makes a random link you provide helpful to your cause?

Because if you read a little lower, and down to the section about "The Pope", you will see it agrees with everything I've been saying....

From Ding's link: The History of Slavery

Read down to the point where you get to this:

The Pope
The 15th century Portuguese exploration of the African coast is commonly regarded as the harbinger of European colonialism. In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, granting Afonso V of Portugal the right to reduce any "Saracens, pagans and any other unbelievers" to hereditary slavery which legitimized slave trade under Catholic beliefs of that time. This approval of slavery was reaffirmed and extended in his Romanus Pontifex bull of 1455.

Below is a letter, which King Ferdinand sent along with Columbus on his second voyage to Haiti. It was to be communicated to the Taino/Arawak Indians.

The letter:
In the name of King Ferdinand and Juana, his daughter, Queen of Castile and Leon, etc., conquerors of barbarian nations, we notify you as best we can that our Lord God Eternal created Heaven and earth and a man and woman from whom we all descend for all times and all over the world. In the 5,000 years since creation the multitude of these generations caused men to divide and establish kingdoms in various parts of the world, among whom God chose St. Peter as leader of mankind, regardless of their law, sect or belief. He seated St. Peter in Rome as the best place from which to rule the world but he allowed him to establish his seat in all parts of the world and rule all people, whether Christians, Moors, Jews, Gentiles or any other sect. He was named Pope, which means admirable and greatest father, governor of all men. Those who lived at that time obeyed St. Peter as Lord and superior King of the universe, and so did their descendants obey his successors and so on to the end of time.

The late Pope gave these islands and mainland of the ocean and the contents hereof to the above-mentioned King and Queen, as is certified in writing and you may see the documents if you should so desire. Therefore, Their Highnesses are lords and masters of this land; they were acknowledged as such when this notice was posted, and were and are being served willingly and without resistance; then, their religious envoys were acknowledged and obeyed without delay, and all subjects unconditionally and of their own free will became Christians and thus they remain. Their Highnesses received their allegiance with joy and benignity and decreed that they be treated in this spirit like good and loyal vassals and you are under the obligation to do the same.

Therefore, we request that you understand this text, deliberate on its contents within a reasonable time, and recognize the Church and its highest priest, the Pope, as rulers of the universe, and in their name the King and Queen of Spain as rulers of this land, allowing the religious fathers to preach our holy Faith to you. You own compliance as a duty to the King and we in his name will receive you with love and charity, respecting your freedom and that of your wives and sons and your rights of possession and we shall not compel you to baptism unless you, informed of the Truth, wish to convert to our holy Catholic Faith as almost all your neighbors have done in other islands, in exchange for which Their Highnesses bestow many privileges and exemptions upon you. Should you fail to comply, or delay maliciously in so doing, we assure you that with the help of God we shall use force against you, declaring war upon you from all sides and with all possible means, and we shall bind you to the yoke of the Church and of Their Highnesses; we shall enslave your persons, wives and sons, sell you or dispose of you as the King sees fit; we shall seize your possessions and harm you as much as we can as disobedient and resisting vassals. And we declare you guilty of resulting deaths and injuries, exempting Their Highnesses of such guilt as well as ourselves and the gentlemen who accompany us. We hereby request that legal signatures be affixed to this text and pray those present to bear witness for us, etc.



These Papal bulls came to serve as a justification for the subsequent era of slave trade and European colonialism. Although for a short period as in 1462, Pius II declared slavery to be "a great crime". The followers of the church of England and Protestants did not use the papal bull as a justification. The position of the church was to condemn the slavery of Christians, but slavery was regarded as an old established and necessary institution which supplied Europe with the necessary workforce. In the 16th century African slaves had substituted almost all other ethnicities and religious enslaved groups in Europe. Within the Portuguese territory of Brazil, and even beyond its original borders, the enslavement of native Americans was carried out by the Bandeirantes.
The Bandeirantes or "followers of the banner" were Portuguese colonial scouts in Brazil, members of the 16th-18th century South American slave-hunting expeditions, called Bandeiras (Portuguese for "flags"). Their purpose was to capture natives and force them into slavery.

This is directly from the link you provided, ding.

Are you on our side of truth, and acting as a double-agent?

Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion even when it was done by one religious group against another. In every single case, socialism was a reaction. Socialists practice critical theory which is the practice to criticize everything you don't believe (i.e. a reaction) to justify what you do believe (i.e. never validated) without having to examine what you do believe.

 

[sealybobo]

What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...

Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.

The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?

And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Do you believe it is right to end a human life for selfish reasons? If so, it is likely that you have rationalized that they are not human and you have no distinction between good and evil.

Seen this way, the U.S. has no mentioned distinction.
Life remains to be defined.

Haven't we rationalized the people we bomb in afgan, Aleppo, Syria, Iraq aren't human?

I don't see Carroll crying every day over the thousands of innocents who die in the ME. Or he isn't losing any sleep over those lives as far as I can tell.

In fact he doesn't even want to save refuges. Not his problem. So how much does Carroll value life?

But a seed in the womb?

 

[there4eyeM]

The word being searched for here is 'ideology'. 'Socialism' (varied as it is) is an example of ideology. Religion is something else, although ideology can certainly play.

 

[ding]

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Good and evil is a religious distinction. For atheists, it's all relative.

So?

Aren't you an atheist?

All three of them are atheists who are ashamed of admitting they are atheists so they claim to be agnostics or humanists but argue against belief in God at every turn.

 

[ding]

What you're saying is that they were more apt to conquer, in the name of their God, and force people to believe or get tortured and die. Or go into slavery. Yes, Christianity had MUCH success in that... That is NOT a good thing...

Honestly, you should be ashamed about it, and praying to God daily to forgive you for those sins by your ancestors, that you continue to promote and ejaculate upon us. You should feel very guilty. But that's no reason to accept fiction as reality.

The vikings did the same exact things that you praise Christianity for doing. Why no love for the Vikings and Valhalla?

And virtue was not created by Christianity. Virtue means goodness. And like I said in rule #1, religion did not create goodness. That is a trait that most of us inherently have, due to natural selection. It's religion that makes us go against that goodness...

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Do you believe it is right to end a human life for selfish reasons? If so, it is likely that you have rationalized that they are not human and you have no distinction between good and evil.

Seen this way, the U.S. has no mentioned distinction.
Life remains to be defined.

Science defines life. You reject science.

 

[ding]

I could use religion to make a terrorist or I could make someone into mother Theresa using religion. Either way I could lie and create a religious person.

Do I need religion to make a good person? No. In fact lots of Americans raise good people without religion.

This is what I believe a world devoid religion would look like... Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

Ridiculous. No distinction between good and evil? Yea, as if you know better then me what's good and evil.

Do you believe it is right to end a human life for selfish reasons? If so, it is likely that you have rationalized that they are not human and you have no distinction between good and evil.

Seen this way, the U.S. has no mentioned distinction.
Life remains to be defined.

Haven't we rationalized the people we bomb in afgan, Aleppo, Syria, Iraq aren't human?

I don't see Carroll crying every day over the thousands of innocents who die in the ME. Or he isn't losing any sleep over those lives as far as I can tell.

In fact he doesn't even want to save refuges. Not his problem. So how much does Carroll value life?

But a seed in the womb?

Don't be silly. Of course they are human.