If Trump is the Nominee The Party is Finished

[LordBrownTrout]

The GOP claims to stand for smaller government and balanced budgets and honesty and integrity. Those are its words.

It's actions, on the other hand, are the exact opposite.

That is what destroyed the GOP, not Trump. Trump is simply a physical manifestation of the GOP's hypocrisy and utter lack of real principles.

There is a larger and larger element of the GOP which is about power, not about country. There is a larger and larger element which is about sleaze and lies and whatever crumbs of money their puppet masters throw their way to keep them in the offices to which they have become accustomed.

The GOP worked very, very hard to earn Trump.

True. The dems are honest about their socialism. The gop trots out hundreds of symbolic bills to abolish ocare....and never follows up. They care nothing about smaller govt. Hell, they even created DHS which has morphed into an all encompassing big brother spy dept.

 

[Toro]

Once Trump is president, the Republican's will lay down by his feet like the good dogs that they are, and will follow his instructions...Of course you want to know why...It's because a man with Trump's money can form a SuperPac and let it be known to each, and every Senator, and Congressman that when their re-election comes up, he will have the SuperPac spend whatever is necessary to have that politician's opponent WIN that politicians seat in Congress....Donald is 70, has a FEW BILLION he can blow on making this country whatever he wants to make it, and FEW, if any, have the balls or the stupidity to stop him. They'd rather wait the 10-20 years he has left, and then continue to turn us into Cuba!

Trump is hardly spending any of his money to get himself elected. So why would he spend his money to harass Legislators?

So your super scary Trump SuperPAC theory is yet another fail, Vag.

Just like your fantasy of Trump becoming President.

 

[Pogo]

Under Trump the Republican party becomes a much more inclusive party, instead of a party filled and controlled by a bunch of right wing nut jobs. Cuckservatives/#nevertrump should start their own party, that would be fun to watch Nobody cares about labels anymore, and the ones harping on conservative values are out of touch old dinosaurs.

Some fair points, considering the so-called "social conservative" mindset that brought in its own self-interested poison.

But to reconstruct the Party for that reason --- don't you need someone or something to lead it with an ideal in mind? Does Rump have any principles at all other than naked narcissism and a propensity to manipulate people with emotions? Is that not just replacing one self-interested poison with another?

Doesn't seem like much to hang one's hat on. The original party was at least carrying the banner of Abolition and Whiggism. Self-aggrandizement doesn't seem to quite measure up to the same standard.

Then there's the other elephant in the room, pun intended --- WHO else is another Rump? The man is sui generis; he has no synonyms. There is no AlterTrump. Even if he wins an office, he has no coattails.

Or if he does, they're really really really short....

 

[Mac1958]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

Seems to me if people aren't happy in the GOP, they should leave and start their own party. I doubt that will happen, though, because they'd have to start from scratch and without the GOP's massive infrastructure. So they're going to stay in the party, burn it to the ground, and hope that it will re-appear in their image. I don't know how that happens.

If somehow they DID leave the party, though, I suspect the traditional GOP would be able to win back some people who have been pushed away by its current, um, condition, and others who feel the Democrats have moved too far left.
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[Vigilante]

Once Trump is president, the Republican's will lay down by his feet like the good dogs that they are, and will follow his instructions...Of course you want to know why...It's because a man with Trump's money can form a SuperPac and let it be known to each, and every Senator, and Congressman that when their re-election comes up, he will have the SuperPac spend whatever is necessary to have that politician's opponent WIN that politicians seat in Congress....Donald is 70, has a FEW BILLION he can blow on making this country whatever he wants to make it, and FEW, if any, have the balls or the stupidity to stop him. They'd rather wait the 10-20 years he has left, and then continue to turn us into Cuba!

Trump is hardly spending any of his money to get himself elected. So why would he spend his money to harass Legislators?

So your super scary Trump SuperPAC theory is yet another fail, Vag.

Just like your fantasy of Trump becoming President.

He just put in $20 MILLION of his own money to promote himself for the next 2 months!..... 60.5% of N.Y. voters voted for Trump...N.Y. is his home state, but Cruz only got 48% of all of Texas voters in his primary.... And THESE new news story...

• Report: Internal memo projects Trump will win HUGE at convention
  Red State Watcher ^ | 4/20/2016
  Internal campaign memo projects Trump will win 1,400+ delegates to secure nomination on first ballot in Cleveland. The Washington Post reports: Donald Trump's campaign advisers believe the billionaire mogul is emerging as the "prohibitive favorite" in the Republican presidential race and project that he will accumulate more than 1,400 delegates to secure the nomination on the first round of balloting at the party's Cleveland convention, according to an internal campaign memorandum. The projections come in a memo distributed to Trump surrogates late Tuesday night containing talking points for use in media interviews this week. The memo, obtained by The Washington...\\

• Schmidt Predicts Trump Wins Nomination on First Ballot — Will Clear 1,237 ‘By at Least 50 to 60 (tr)
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• Breitbart ^ | April 20, 2016 | Jeff Poor
  Schmidt Predicts Trump Wins Nomination on First Ballot — Will Clear 1,237 ‘By at Least 50 to 60 Delegates’ “ think when you look at the math of this race and look at states ahead, you look at the winner take all states, Donald Trump is going to be the first-ballot nominee of the Republican Party,” Schmidt said. “He will clear the 1,237 mark by at least 50 to 60 delegates by the time the votes are counted on June 7...
  

• Ben Carson got thousands of votes in NY and even beat Ted Cruz in one district
  Syracuse ^ | 04/20/16 | Chris Baker
  SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- A vote for Ben Carson in Tuesday's primary really didn't matter. Not only did Carson drop out of the race last month, he actively rejected his own votes. But that didn't stop thousands of people from checking the "Ben Carson" box on the ballot yesterday. In fact, Carson even beat U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz in one district.

• The Latest: Trump adds 12 delegates to tally [Cruz will not request recount in Missouri primary]
  AP via The Daily Mail ^
  NEW YORK — The Latest on campaign 2016 as voters in New York cast their ballots in the state's primary (all times Eastern Daylight Time): 12:16 p.m. Donald Trump has picked up 12 delegates after Ted Cruz's campaign says the Texas senator will not request a recount in the Missouri primary. Trump won the March 15 primary by 1,965 votes. That is within the margin that would allow Cruz to request a recount. The 12 delegates are awarded to the statewide winner. Missouri has a total of 52 delegates. The other 40 were awarded according to results in individual congressional...

 

[longknife]

There are dozens of other parties besides the Dims and the GOP. Sadly, most state and local laws keep them off the ballots.

 

[The Rabbi]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

Only way the Republican Party destroys itself is by denying Trump the nomination (which won't happen). Once Trump becomes the nominee the cuckservatives will walk out and new fresh blood will reinvigorate the party. Republican Party has been a joke for decades. All the #nevertrump cucks are whats wrong with the party, so good riddance.

Under Trump the Republican party becomes a much more inclusive party, instead of a party filled and controlled by a bunch of right wing nut jobs. Cuckservatives/#nevertrump should start their own party, that would be fun to watch Nobody cares about labels anymore, and the ones harping on conservative values are out of touch old dinosaurs.

It's a new day The Rabbi. Times are a changing. Either you get with them or you'll get left behind with the others who want to cling to labels and definitions

Newblood? Trump and Bernie Sanders have almost identical policies on trade and healthcare and probably much more. Trump voters are likely to be Democrats disaffected with their party. BUt there will be no new blood. There will be a rump party of Nativists and nutjobs screaming that illiterate Mexicans are taking our tech jobs.

 

[Vigilante]

Once Trump is president, the Republican's will lay down by his feet like the good dogs that they are, and will follow his instructions...Of course you want to know why...It's because a man with Trump's money can form a SuperPac and let it be known to each, and every Senator, and Congressman that when their re-election comes up, he will have the SuperPac spend whatever is necessary to have that politician's opponent WIN that politicians seat in Congress....Donald is 70, has a FEW BILLION he can blow on making this country whatever he wants to make it, and FEW, if any, have the balls or the stupidity to stop him. They'd rather wait the 10-20 years he has left, and then continue to turn us into Cuba!

Trump is hardly spending any of his money to get himself elected. So why would he spend his money to harass Legislators?

So your super scary Trump SuperPAC theory is yet another fail, Vag.

Just like your fantasy of Trump becoming President.

Oh, BTW Bullshitter, I forgot this one, BUT Trump isn't spending any of his own money....You are a buffoon!

• Trump orders new campaign hierarchy, spending plan
  Politico.com ^ | 04/18/2016 | KENNETH P. VOGEL and BEN SCHRECKINGER
  At a senior staff meeting on Saturday, the GOP front-runner gave Paul Manafort more authority and approved a major spending increase. In a shakeup that’s roiling Donald Trump's presidential campaign, the GOP front-runner told senior staffers at a Saturday meeting that he wants his recent hires Paul Manafort and Rick Wiley to take the reins in upcoming states, giving them a $20-million budget for key contests in May and June, according to three sources with knowledge of the meeting. The spending authorization, which covers most of the month of May, is far more than the campaign has spent in any...

 

[Vigilante]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

Only way the Republican Party destroys itself is by denying Trump the nomination (which won't happen). Once Trump becomes the nominee the cuckservatives will walk out and new fresh blood will reinvigorate the party. Republican Party has been a joke for decades. All the #nevertrump cucks are whats wrong with the party, so good riddance.

Under Trump the Republican party becomes a much more inclusive party, instead of a party filled and controlled by a bunch of right wing nut jobs. Cuckservatives/#nevertrump should start their own party, that would be fun to watch Nobody cares about labels anymore, and the ones harping on conservative values are out of touch old dinosaurs.

It's a new day The Rabbi. Times are a changing. Either you get with them or you'll get left behind with the others who want to cling to labels and definitions

Newblood? Trump and Bernie Sanders have almost identical policies on trade and healthcare and probably much more. Trump voters are likely to be Democrats disaffected with their party. BUt there will be no new blood. There will be a rump party of Nativists and nutjobs screaming that illiterate Mexicans are taking our tech jobs.

 

[The Rabbi]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

Only way the Republican Party destroys itself is by denying Trump the nomination (which won't happen). Once Trump becomes the nominee the cuckservatives will walk out and new fresh blood will reinvigorate the party. Republican Party has been a joke for decades. All the #nevertrump cucks are whats wrong with the party, so good riddance.

Under Trump the Republican party becomes a much more inclusive party, instead of a party filled and controlled by a bunch of right wing nut jobs. Cuckservatives/#nevertrump should start their own party, that would be fun to watch Nobody cares about labels anymore, and the ones harping on conservative values are out of touch old dinosaurs.

It's a new day The Rabbi. Times are a changing. Either you get with them or you'll get left behind with the others who want to cling to labels and definitions

Newblood? Trump and Bernie Sanders have almost identical policies on trade and healthcare and probably much more. Trump voters are likely to be Democrats disaffected with their party. BUt there will be no new blood. There will be a rump party of Nativists and nutjobs screaming that illiterate Mexicans are taking our tech jobs.

From the same guy who predicted a massive Trump win in WI.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I gotta tell ya. I love these threads.

Actually these threads should terrify liberals.
But you're apparently to damn stupid to see why.

Ooooh! Vagueness. I love vagueness. You said nothing.....but you want me to think you did. It is so cool.

Why....precisely....my good teacher....should I be terrified by the failure of the GOP to handle its business? Spell it out for those of us who sit in the back of the class and make fun of you.

And...the correct phrase is "too damned stupid".

Considering you're a complete moron I can see why you wouldnt understand how this could bad news for progressive pukes such as yourself.

You forgot to explain. How are we gonna gradumatate if you don't teach us nuthn'?

You're so vague. I'll bet you think this post is about you, don't you!

 

[Vigilante]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

Only way the Republican Party destroys itself is by denying Trump the nomination (which won't happen). Once Trump becomes the nominee the cuckservatives will walk out and new fresh blood will reinvigorate the party. Republican Party has been a joke for decades. All the #nevertrump cucks are whats wrong with the party, so good riddance.

Under Trump the Republican party becomes a much more inclusive party, instead of a party filled and controlled by a bunch of right wing nut jobs. Cuckservatives/#nevertrump should start their own party, that would be fun to watch Nobody cares about labels anymore, and the ones harping on conservative values are out of touch old dinosaurs.

It's a new day The Rabbi. Times are a changing. Either you get with them or you'll get left behind with the others who want to cling to labels and definitions

Newblood? Trump and Bernie Sanders have almost identical policies on trade and healthcare and probably much more. Trump voters are likely to be Democrats disaffected with their party. BUt there will be no new blood. There will be a rump party of Nativists and nutjobs screaming that illiterate Mexicans are taking our tech jobs.

From the same guy who predicted a massive Trump win in WI.

BUT 60.5% IN N.Y. where it REALLY COUNTS FOR DELEGATES!!!! HE OVERPERFORMED!!!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hillary Clinton.

Who will appoint two Marxist SCOTUS justices and America will be over - permanently. No more bill of rights, property rights gone.

The nation is committing suicide.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

If a charismatic leader emerged and offered a platform of inclusion, (which would toss the Social Conservatives and the other extremists who have changed the face of the R Party under the bus) socially liberal and fiscally responsible, s/he would immediately have the ear of millions of Americans sick of the hate and fear rhetoric too common to the Republican Party of the 21st Century.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hillary Clinton.

Who will appoint two Marxist SCOTUS justices and America will be over - permanently. No more bill of rights, property rights gone.

The nation is committing suicide.

See? Hate and Fear Rhetoric, ^^^ it is all this clown has to offer.

 

[Uncensored2008]

See? Hate and Fear Rhetoric, ^^^ it is all this clown has to offer.

It's a fact. One more Kagan type on the court and you have the ability to declare the Bill of Rights unconstitutional, which you will - ending the government of and by the people once and for all.

We have 8 years of prolonged attack on the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments by you Bolsheviks. The SCOTUS stood between you and the destruction of the Republic. Even now we have seen civil rights pissed on as leftist appeals courts prevail due to the 4 to 4 split between the Constitutionalists and the Bolsheviks. A 5th Bolshevik is the end of the Constitution, which you drool over and those who support America fight against.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I gotta tell ya. I love these threads.

Actually these threads should terrify liberals.
But you're apparently to damn stupid to see why.

Ooooh! Vagueness. I love vagueness. You said nothing.....but you want me to think you did. It is so cool.

Why....precisely....my good teacher....should I be terrified by the failure of the GOP to handle its business? Spell it out for those of us who sit in the back of the class and make fun of you.

And...the correct phrase is "too damned stupid".

Considering you're a complete moron I can see why you wouldnt understand how this could bad news for progressive pukes such as yourself.

You forgot to explain. How are we gonna gradumatate if you don't teach us nuthn'?

You're so vague. I'll bet you think this post is about you, don't you!

You're probably the only person here who doesnt understand the possible consequences.
I find it hilarious.

 

[The Rabbi]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

If a charismatic leader emerged and offered a platform of inclusion, (which would toss the Social Conservatives and the other extremists who have changed the face of the R Party under the bus) socially liberal and fiscally responsible, s/he would immediately have the ear of millions of Americans sick of the hate and fear rhetoric too common to the Republican Party of the 21st Century.

Social Conservatives are a pillar of the GOP. And social cosnervatices are much more open and accepting of others than Democrats.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I gotta tell ya. I love these threads.

Actually these threads should terrify liberals.
But you're apparently to damn stupid to see why.

Ooooh! Vagueness. I love vagueness. You said nothing.....but you want me to think you did. It is so cool.

Why....precisely....my good teacher....should I be terrified by the failure of the GOP to handle its business? Spell it out for those of us who sit in the back of the class and make fun of you.

And...the correct phrase is "too damned stupid".

Considering you're a complete moron I can see why you wouldnt understand how this could bad news for progressive pukes such as yourself.

You forgot to explain. How are we gonna gradumatate if you don't teach us nuthn'?

You're so vague. I'll bet you think this post is about you, don't you!

You're probably the only person here who doesnt understand the possible consequences.
I find it hilarious.

I think you are talking out of your ass and have no idea why I should be terrified. You are dancing around the matter. I've asked you to clue me in. Why won't you?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I believe if Trump becomes the nominee, either by initially winning 1237 delegates or on subsequent counts then the GOP will dissolve. Enough of us have signed the #NeverTrump pledge to walk out on the party and destroy it.
Next question: What comes after? will we build a new Consevative Party to replace it, one that will stand for actual conservative values? Or will the GOP limp along and the Libertarian Party grow exponentially?

If a charismatic leader emerged and offered a platform of inclusion, (which would toss the Social Conservatives and the other extremists who have changed the face of the R Party under the bus) socially liberal and fiscally responsible, s/he would immediately have the ear of millions of Americans sick of the hate and fear rhetoric too common to the Republican Party of the 21st Century.

Social Conservatives are a pillar of the GOP. And social cosnervatices are much more open and accepting of others than Democrats.

Sue they are. Social conservatives love people who are different from them. Everyone knows that.