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Dumb it down for me today, Sunshine... I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at... I have my suspicions, but I'm just not sure, and this sounds important enough to seek clarification... thanks."...And will you be the one flying the foreign nationals here to stand trial, and be availed of due process of law as he has already done for them? Would you be that puppy, snoopy?"
Well, I read the article, and looked at your "I do not believe" statement, and I must confess that I'm just not getting the connection, but, perhaps it's a matter of disagreeing over circumstances...Dumb it down for me today, Sunshine... I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at... I have my suspicions, but I'm just not sure, and this sounds important enough to seek clarification... thanks."...And will you be the one flying the foreign nationals here to stand trial, and be availed of due process of law as he has already done for them? Would you be that puppy, snoopy?"
This should explain it. It has already happened.
Terrorists Shouldn't Be Tried in the Same Courts as U.S. Citizens | Debate Club | US News Opinion
I do not believe that an American on any soil should be targeted and killed without due process of law while foreigners are brought here and tried in the same courts as American citizens.
CaféAuLait;7273573 said:CaféAuLait;7273463 said:He will try but won't find one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/w...aki-a-us-citizen-in-americas-cross-hairs.html
Gibbs response when asked about this kill of the son is beyond chilling.
Check out his justification at the time. He says the child's father was irresponsible for joining AQ.
Ergo tough shit for that kid from Denver. Too bad, so sad, daddy was a terrorist so the kid's life was worthless to the administration.
How does Team Obama justify killing him?
The answer Gibbs gave is chilling.
ADAMSON: ...It's an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial. And, he's underage. He's a minor.
GIBBS: I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children.
I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business.
Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father. He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks.
Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists.
How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic
Scary, your parent does something wrong and you have not set a good example and you are killed, so what it was your fathers fault!
'Far More Responsible Father' ...
I remember being upset at Gibb's idiotic remarks when he made them and still am today.
CaféAuLait;7273587 said:Any of us who have traveled to the middle east could be.
Dont go to the Middle-East then. You have two options as far as I can see it. Either we accept drone warfare and make it as deadly and accurate as humanly possible or we keep risking American lives to extract kills. I will guarantee you anything that you want that if you are not somewhat involved in an activity that is detrimental to the U.S. or her allies than you should have no legitimate concern about a drone killing you..
Have you thought that some may not have a choice in going? Aside you say one is risking American lives for extract kills, what about the three killed by accident. They were American lives too, no?
CaféAuLait;7273479 said:Link to al -Awlaki's son, an American citizen being declared an enemy combatant?
Was Jude Mohammed and enemy combatant as well, I wonder.
Does it matter? Drone warfare is the warfare of the future. WE are currently in its earliest years and if a terrorists son happens to get caught in the middle, then so be it. I dont mean to be cold, but no one on this board or in your small realm of human connection is in any danger of a drone strike. Keep me and mine safe and keep sending those killing machines out to take care of business.
Never mind that we're violating another sovereign country's airspace without their permission and dropping bombs on their towns, hunh?
Yemens leader said Saturday that he personally approves every U.S. drone strike in his country and described the remotely piloted aircraft as a technical marvel that has helped reverse al-Qaedas gains.
According to officials familiar with the deliberations, the lawyers threw themselves into the project and swiftly completed a short memorandum. It preliminarily concluded, based on the evidence available at the time, that Mr. Awlaki was a lawful target because he was participating in the war with Al Qaeda and also because he was a specific threat to the country. The overlapping reasoning justified a strike either by the Pentagon, which generally operated within the Congressional authorization to use military force against Al Qaeda, or by the C.I.A., a civilian agency which generally operated within a “national self-defense” framework deriving from a president’s security powers.
They also analyzed other bodies of law to see whether they would render a strike impermissible, concluding that they did not. For example, the Yemeni government had granted permission for airstrikes on its soil as long as the United States did not acknowledge its role, so such strikes would not violate Yemeni sovereignty.
Never mind that we're violating another sovereign country's airspace without their permission and dropping bombs on their towns, hunh?
Ummm...
In interview, Yemeni president acknowledges approving U.S. drone strikes - Washington PostYemens leader said Saturday that he personally approves every U.S. drone strike in his country and described the remotely piloted aircraft as a technical marvel that has helped reverse al-Qaedas gains.
For those that don't have a problem with drone assassinations of American citizens without due process, how do you feel about wasting time on a trial for Major Hassan or the surviving Boston Marathon bomber?
Why haven't these men just been taken out and executed if it's alright to assassinate others without trial?
Never mind that we're violating another sovereign country's airspace without their permission and dropping bombs on their towns, hunh?
Ummm...
In interview, Yemeni president acknowledges approving U.S. drone strikes - Washington PostYemen’s leader said Saturday that he personally approves every U.S. drone strike in his country and described the remotely piloted aircraft as a technical marvel that has helped reverse al-Qaeda’s gains.
Thanks for that.
First I heard of it.
Can we say the same about Pakistan or any routes to and/or from either country?
And I thought Yemen had the most splintered "government" in the world
Singer said that “for several years, Pakistan has openly said, ‘How dare you violate our sovereignty,’ but it turned out the CIA was flying from Pakistani bases with Pakistan’s permission.”
The president of the United States ordered the execution of 4 Americans because it was too difficult to capture them and bring them to trial. Scary stuff.
Apparently, due process is something a lot of folks here seem willing to discard for the expediency of perceived safety. But that isn't very surprising, even though the whole idea of this country gets completely lost in such actions and puts the slippery in slippery slope.
But again, as long as its not your neighbors house that is bombed, at least not yet, you're more than willing to watch from a few thousand miles away and armchair both the rights of our citizens and the sovereignty of another nation in the name of "national security".
Shameful, but not very surprising anymore.
For those that don't have a problem with drone assassinations of American citizens without due process, how do you feel about wasting time on a trial for Major Hassan or the surviving Boston Marathon bomber?
Why haven't these men just been taken out and executed if it's alright to assassinate others without trial?
You apparently cannot tell the difference between someone who is inside US domestic jurisdiction and someone who is operating outside the US in a military operating theater!
Wow.
Fortunately, sane people can.
That should serve as a warning to any other Americans who plan to take up arms against their fellow citizens.CaféAuLait;7273378 said:In a First, U.S. Admits Drones Have Killed 4 Americans
