Independents have no candidate

[buckeye45_73]

We are, even if the end result was we got Nixon
The point though was, back to the topic, an example of the only way a third party can possibly hope to win the Presidency, by sucking off enough Electoral Votes from the D and R candidates that nobody comes out with 270.

We actually have a system where we can split our preferences to the point where the electorate's third and possibly fringe choice can get Constitutionally "elected". Quincy Adams got in this way even though Andrew Jack

son finished more than ten points higher in the popular vote and won 15 more in the EC.

We are, even if the end result was we got Nixon
The point though was, back to the topic, an example of the only way a third party can possibly hope to win the Presidency, by sucking off enough Electoral Votes from the D and R candidates that nobody comes out with 270.

We actually have a system where we can split our preferences to the point where the electorate's third and possibly fringe choice can get Constitutionally "elected". Quincy Adams got in this way even though Andrew Jackson finished more than ten points higher in the popular vote and won 15 more in the EC.

Yeah I agree, I just dont care about third parties much, they tend to be too extreme for me

Ideologically they can be anywhere. Fringers like Wallace or centrists like Anderson. The point is that the system prevents us from having any choice, good OR bad, outside of the entrenched Duopoly. And that's why we always get stuck with voting for the lesser of two evils not to elect the one but to block the other. Duopoly KNOWS they can get away with that minimalist shit. And that's not what an election should be at all.

It should be mentioned as part of this that the Duopoly also controls the debates, literally. They used to be held by the nonpartisan League of Women Voters but the so-called "Commission on Presidential Debates", a blatant collusion of the Demoplican-Republicrat Duopoly Party, formed 1987 to literally "take control of" the Presidential debates. This means that nobody gets to raise an issue that both parties don't allow and means they get to dick-tate who gets into those debates, and who gets asked what. That's blatantly antidemocratic.

I agree, but I dont like Italy and others. Look I despise both parties, but it's the best us flawed humans have come up with, just like capitalism and republican democracy......I do think we should see more third parties on the ballot and in debates, but Ibalso hate our current debate format with a 2 min answer, 2 min???? wtf is that shit.....

Actually it's not at all the best us flawed humans have come up with, for the obvious reasons already laid out. By both you and me.

Nope. Just that the parties put themselves over their country.

Cant argue that. I hate two parties but when I hear multi parties, I think parliamentary system, and I hate the even more

 

[Pogo]

Yeah I agree, I just dont care about third parties much, they tend to be too extreme for me

Ideologically they can be anywhere. Fringers like Wallace or centrists like Anderson. The point is that the system prevents us from having any choice, good OR bad, outside of the entrenched Duopoly. And that's why we always get stuck with voting for the lesser of two evils not to elect the one but to block the other. Duopoly KNOWS they can get away with that minimalist shit. And that's not what an election should be at all.

It should be mentioned as part of this that the Duopoly also controls the debates, literally. They used to be held by the nonpartisan League of Women Voters but the so-called "Commission on Presidential Debates", a blatant collusion of the Demoplican-Republicrat Duopoly Party, formed 1987 to literally "take control of" the Presidential debates. This means that nobody gets to raise an issue that both parties don't allow and means they get to dick-tate who gets into those debates, and who gets asked what. That's blatantly antidemocratic.

I agree, but I dont like Italy and others. Look I despise both parties, but it's the best us flawed humans have come up with, just like capitalism and republican democracy......I do think we should see more third parties on the ballot and in debates, but Ibalso hate our current debate format with a 2 min answer, 2 min???? wtf is that shit.....

Actually it's not at all the best us flawed humans have come up with, for the obvious reasons already laid out. By both you and me.

Nope. Just that the parties put themselves over their country.

Cant argue that. I hate two parties but when I hear multi parties, I think parliamentary system, and I hate the even more

Why?

 

[Slade3200]

Slade3200 , Stormy Daniels , John Shaw , Golfing Gator , Dont Taz Me Bro

Unfortunately, the best we may be able to do is watch these two insane parties pull us apart even further, so the people demand some sanity.

As 2020 candidates turn left, some Democrats worry about the center

Party activists have been energized as Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris and other candidates endorsed plans to provide Medicare coverage to every American, some form of tuition-free college, a national $15 minimum wage and the so-called "Green New Deal" advocated by U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

But Trump and his allies in the Republican Party have seized on those stances to attack the Democratic 2020 field as outside the American political mainstream — a claim the president plans to make throughout his re-election campaign, according to sources with knowledge of his strategy.

Some Democrats fear the argument has potency. They worry the primary may produce a nominee who will not appeal to centrist working and middle-class voters who voted for Trump in 2016 but whom Democrats believe they can win back.

"The big progressive programs are popular in a caucus or primary electorate, but probably don't move the needle among voters who want to find someone who will change Washington by tilting the system to favor people in the middle — not the very rich or the very poor," said Jeff Link, an Iowa Democrat who worked for former President Barack Obama's campaign.

And speaking of that, Trump will call anything 'socialism.' Democrats might as well go big.
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It can’t get much worst, feel like both sides are at fever pitch or as my friend Bonnie would say we are a powder keg giving off sparks.

 

[Slade3200]

Slade3200 , Stormy Daniels , John Shaw , Golfing Gator , Dont Taz Me Bro

Unfortunately, the best we may be able to do is watch these two insane parties pull us apart even further, so the people demand some sanity.

As 2020 candidates turn left, some Democrats worry about the center

Party activists have been energized as Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris and other candidates endorsed plans to provide Medicare coverage to every American, some form of tuition-free college, a national $15 minimum wage and the so-called "Green New Deal" advocated by U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

But Trump and his allies in the Republican Party have seized on those stances to attack the Democratic 2020 field as outside the American political mainstream — a claim the president plans to make throughout his re-election campaign, according to sources with knowledge of his strategy.

Some Democrats fear the argument has potency. They worry the primary may produce a nominee who will not appeal to centrist working and middle-class voters who voted for Trump in 2016 but whom Democrats believe they can win back.

"The big progressive programs are popular in a caucus or primary electorate, but probably don't move the needle among voters who want to find someone who will change Washington by tilting the system to favor people in the middle — not the very rich or the very poor," said Jeff Link, an Iowa Democrat who worked for former President Barack Obama's campaign.

And speaking of that, Trump will call anything 'socialism.' Democrats might as well go big.
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I also think that along with the partisan hacks the wingnuts on both sides perpetuate the problems. These individuals may not pledge allegiance to a party but they hide behind the word “principles” to justify an unrelenting attitude and agenda aimed to win at all costs. They are either promoting absolutist policies or obstructing everything the other side wants to do. The parties are starting to follow suit and act the same way which only causes animosity and gridlock.

This board beautifully showcases examples of these extremist types. Shame on them