Is homeschooling a good solution?

[Markle]

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

Some people don't want to live their life like that, worrying about whether their money is going to come or not.

Generally those who like working on commission see that they can earn more and more and more, but it's a life style choice.

I prefer the rewards of relaxing in my free time, and enjoying my free time, to having loads of money.

People who work on commission must have an immense amount of self-confidence that they are better than 95% of their competition. Few REALLY believe they are that good. I have been a Realtor in Florida for over 40 years and am mostly retired. Lots of hours but I LOVE what I do. I also got to pick and choose my days off, my vacation time and, many times, was able to combine work and pleasure. In my opinion, I had the best of both worlds. Exciting, stimulating work every day and my choice of leisure time and great vacations. But, you're right, I was eager to take that chance and not allow anyone else to decide what I am worth.

Of course. I've seen successful sales people do their stuff. But it's not for everyone and a successful sales person might not be good in education and a good educator might not be good in sales, they require different skills and attributes.

I agree. But I have found that teachers and nurses have a higher rate of success in real estate than most other professions.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

Some people don't want to live their life like that, worrying about whether their money is going to come or not.

Generally those who like working on commission see that they can earn more and more and more, but it's a life style choice.

I prefer the rewards of relaxing in my free time, and enjoying my free time, to having loads of money.

People who work on commission must have an immense amount of self-confidence that they are better than 95% of their competition. Few REALLY believe they are that good. I have been a Realtor in Florida for over 40 years and am mostly retired. Lots of hours but I LOVE what I do. I also got to pick and choose my days off, my vacation time and, many times, was able to combine work and pleasure. In my opinion, I had the best of both worlds. Exciting, stimulating work every day and my choice of leisure time and great vacations. But, you're right, I was eager to take that chance and not allow anyone else to decide what I am worth.

And I did a sales job for two weeks and quit. I wasn't interested in lying to people, or withholding information, or being sneaky in order to make money, so I quit.

I'm just not that type of person, it wouldn't have made me happy at all.

People are different.

I have no idea what you were selling.

I never lied to anyone, withheld and information or was sneaky in any way. I also never encountered any of that except on a few, very rare occasions.

I was selling TV packages (well not selling exactly, attempting to sell). There were phone packages and internet packages and things like that, you now the usual.

I asked how much the phone package was. "It's 25% cheaper than the nearest competitor" they said. "So, what's that then" "It's 25% cheaper than the nearest competitor" "so, how much?" "Look, you're not selling the phone, who cares, you're selling yourself, just tell them it's cheaper".

Basically they didn't know how much this "25% cheaper" was, yet they'd tell people it was "25% cheaper". For me that is being dishonest. I'd want to tell people all the information and let them make the right choice. But sales isn't about the right choice, it's about getting them to buy YOUR choice.

It's not lying, but for me it's not ethical. I couldn't live like that.

But then I guess it depends what you're selling, if you are offering a range of services or just one etc. But I don't trust sales people at all. Last week I went for a different internet company, the first place wanted me to pay 4 times more than I'd paid the time before "oh, but you must buy the TV, phone etc". Went to the shop almost next door that sold the same thing. It was three times cheaper without a massive installation fee.
Clearly the woman was lying and I could see through her so easily.

 

[Markle]

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

Some people don't want to live their life like that, worrying about whether their money is going to come or not.

Generally those who like working on commission see that they can earn more and more and more, but it's a life style choice.

I prefer the rewards of relaxing in my free time, and enjoying my free time, to having loads of money.

People who work on commission must have an immense amount of self-confidence that they are better than 95% of their competition. Few REALLY believe they are that good. I have been a Realtor in Florida for over 40 years and am mostly retired. Lots of hours but I LOVE what I do. I also got to pick and choose my days off, my vacation time and, many times, was able to combine work and pleasure. In my opinion, I had the best of both worlds. Exciting, stimulating work every day and my choice of leisure time and great vacations. But, you're right, I was eager to take that chance and not allow anyone else to decide what I am worth.

So, being a realtor [Realtor] is "more difficult"?

More difficult than what?

 

[bripat9643]

Actually it's not the schools that are better, it's the parents that are better. In upscale neighborhoods the parents are educated professionals who are motivated for their children to learn. Most of what children learn is taught by their parents. Schools simply put a rubber stamp on it.

I have yet to meet many parents that can handle high school algebra!

In most cases - that's true. But you do realize that a homeschooled student receives materials that shows step-by-step how to teach the assignments. If and when that is not enough, parents can simply turn to the internet for further information, lessons, etc. If that's still not enough - parents can and do hire tutors.

You do realize that is the technology age, don't you? We are way beyond the brick and mortar school churning out cookie cutter curriculum by unionized teachers taking the tax payer for all they are worth. I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by all of this but the reality is, we are still at least a decade away (if not two or three) from learning shifting to a new paradigm (most likely online). So relax. Take a breath.

I have no problem with people who do that. My problem is with those who don't!

I have a student whose father is an instructor in a diesel mechanics class at our community college. Mm has a college degree. Neither one can help their child learn because they "don't get it" and their son does not pay attention in class. What if they decided to pull him out and homeschool him? Do you think he would learn it if they cannot even help him now?

Perhaps its' the teachers in the school that "don't get it." What evidence do you have that the parents are at fault?

Of course, the parents bear the major part of the blame. Simply look at the difference in the makeup of the family of 50 years ago and today.

You mean welfare is to blame. That's the reason we have a 70% illegitimacy rate among blacks.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You realize that all of that time off except for the few holidays are unpaid, and no one has 3 months in the summer. Last year, we had slightly over two months with a nice required training scheduled in July. Only 5 hours per day? I work 7:30 to 3:00. I get to school at 6:45 am and often work until 4 or 5 pm. That's more than 5 hours, unless you flunked math.

Send me the info on this district and I will be gald to destroy your fantasy.

Are you attempting to convince us that we should feel sorry for teachers?

Do they NOT know from their first day of college what the pay scale is for teachers where they want to teach, what the hours are, what the benefits are, etc., etc., etc? If they do NOT, are they really qualified to teach school?

Not sorry, but stop spreading the bullshit! Critics of education simply make shit up to justify their criticisms.

What BS am I spreading? What did I post which is not 100% true? What did I make up?

Your post is a gross oversimplification, overloaded with generalizations. For example, what about school districts and states that simply dropped tenure for teachers who were qualified? How would they know that?

Tenure should be dropped in all school districts and states. An archaic system encouraging lethargy.

You also did not tell us what BS I am spreading, what I posted which is not 100% true and what I made up.

You need reading comprehension lessons. There is a perfect example of something you made up because it simply is not true.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

".. the overall quality of education in the state has improved slightly over the past few years, according to a pair of new reports.
"Education Week’s 2016 Quality Counts report, which measures on overall educational quality, had Wisconsin’s score increasing from 78.9 in 2015 (a C+) to 79.8 (a B-). The state ranked 11th out of the 50 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
"Wisconsin also tied for first with Minnesota among Midwestern states."

"While Laning’s statement seemed to suggest that Walker has left the schools all but penniless and unable to function normally, that’s hardly the case.
"Wisconsin ranked 22nd, and slightly above the national average, in per-pupil spending, according to the Education Week report. And that amount of money was seemingly enough to provide quality instruction for most students.
“On academic achievement, the state ranked above the nation in most areas,” the Journal Sentinel observed, based on the Education Week report.
"Wisconsin also improved its score and remained tied for third in the nation in the K-12 graduation rate, according to PoltiFact Wisconsin.
"The state has a graduation rate of 88.6 percent in 2013-14, which is apparently the last school year measured by federal officials. In 2012-13 that figure was 88.0 percent."

Ouch.

The truth stings lying progressive moonbats.

Report shows Wisconsin schools doing more with less | EAGnews.org

Is Donald Trump right about what Gov. Scott Walker did to Wisconsin schools?

Wisconsin is falling in terms of student to teacher ratios as the article above points out. That's due to budget cuts and teacher shortages.

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

I have a decade of time in college. Real estate can be done by anyone with a high school diploma.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I was gonna say, as a one-time aspiring engineering student in college, I remember the math requirements being fairly stringent. Not sure how'd one get their by age what, 13?

It's stuff like Snap, Javascript, some kind of really basic CAD type system but it imparts the basics and creates the passion.

Last I heard, computer science was considered an engineering discipline. It's not doing circuit analysis or stress analysis though (obviously).

You heard wrong. Computer science is an entirely separate department.

That's odd. While i was a computer science major in college all of my classes were part of the School of Engineering.

Man. you never cease to amaze me at the stuff you don't know!

Like I said, you chose to teach over a more difficult profession in computer programming which would pay you two to three times, at least, what you whine about today.

My post was to counter the idiots out there talking about the great pay for "part-time" work, Cadillac health plans, and great retirement benefits. Those might exist in a few rare places, but that is far from the norm.

Are you sure you even bothered reading the thread?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Last I heard, computer science was considered an engineering discipline. It's not doing circuit analysis or stress analysis though (obviously).

You heard wrong. Computer science is an entirely separate department.

That's odd. While i was a computer science major in college all of my classes were part of the School of Engineering.

Man. you never cease to amaze me at the stuff you don't know!

Like I said, you chose to teach over a more difficult profession in computer programming which would pay you two to three times, at least, what you whine about today.

"More difficult"?

Which ones would that be? The high school where I teach graduates about 95%of our students. None are illiterate.

Many states require competency tests to demonstrate what they have learned. How do you explain those people?

How do you explain inner city schools that fail 60% of their students? Why shouldn't parents of children in these schools have the option of sending their kids elsewhere? The don't have the option of moving to some tony suburb where the real estate prices are in the stratosphere.

Would you please explain that nonsensical gibberish? How do they "fail" the students? Students fail, Schools do not.

Sure they do. In Florida they even give the schools grades. If a school gets an 'F,' all the students become eligible for a voucher.

When a school fails 60% of its students, it's a failure.

You are talking out of your ass again. Those" failing schools" are devised from a complicated formula that has nothing to do with student academic grades. I was a high school administrator in Florida.

BTW, the voucher system ended about a decade ago. It was declared unconstitutional. Please get with the program or stop posting bull shit.

The voucher system is extremely successful which is why you fear the system of allowing even low-income families to have their choice of schools. Why?

Vouchers are a complete and utter failure that robs public schools for funding. You mentioned you were in Florida. If they are so great, why doesn't Florida implement them again? The reason is they learned it simply doesn't work.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually it's not the schools that are better, it's the parents that are better. In upscale neighborhoods the parents are educated professionals who are motivated for their children to learn. Most of what children learn is taught by their parents. Schools simply put a rubber stamp on it.

I have yet to meet many parents that can handle high school algebra!

In most cases - that's true. But you do realize that a homeschooled student receives materials that shows step-by-step how to teach the assignments. If and when that is not enough, parents can simply turn to the internet for further information, lessons, etc. If that's still not enough - parents can and do hire tutors.

You do realize that is the technology age, don't you? We are way beyond the brick and mortar school churning out cookie cutter curriculum by unionized teachers taking the tax payer for all they are worth. I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by all of this but the reality is, we are still at least a decade away (if not two or three) from learning shifting to a new paradigm (most likely online). So relax. Take a breath.

You are talking to an establishment propagandist, the truth is not of interest to them. Many states now have home schooling that uses the home and uses others being home schooled to pull resources, use educators and teach people how to teach.

Once again for possible penetration of some thick craniums, i do not think home schooling should be eliminated, but in my experience, the harm is in there being no supervision of the educational process. My biggest beef on this thread is people advocating for homeschooling by bashing public school teachers.

As you know, our government school system is a failure, Due in large part to the control over schools and teachers by teachers unions.

If your allegation about homeschooling were true, then how is it that students who are homeschooled outperform students from government schools?
Again, I do not bash teachers, I bash the unions and the system.

I have heard that bullshit for years and no one, not one single person has ever been able to prove that to be true.


There you go lying again!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If you want to attract the best and brightest to teach then the pay is going have to double to come somewhat close to what they can make doing other things. Get rid of unions that's fine. Then raise teacher pay EXPONENTIALLY to keep the best ones.

The problem is not being able to hire and keep quality teachers so the pay is not the problem.

The problem is the Unions and parents are not able to choose the school they want for their child. That will force government schools to step up or shut down the worst-performing. For the low and middle-income workers, they should be given vouchers out of the budget for government schools insofar as they will not be in attendance.

So you are claiming that people are not allowed to choose where they live?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If you develop the ability to read and retain information let me know. You just said Judicial review is in the Constitution in a discussion where you said schools teach the Constitution accurately. I even told you it's not in the Constitution and gave you the actual source of judicial review, which was Marbury v. Madison. You just blew it off like you do everything else and repeated your ignorance

That's why he said goodbye to you, he can't refute what you post, so he dismisses you like he would a smart student in his class.

I don't dismiss students, Mr. Know-it-all. I love how you seem to to know everything about me. Have you been peeking in my windows at night?

It's how you handle situations here, seems that it would follow that you would do the same with those lowly students.

None of my students can compare to the ignorance shown by some posters on this thread.

I guess you don't seem to understand that ignorance is what teachers fight on a daily basis.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So you just want to throw the Constitution out? Typical airhead solution to a problem above your ability to reason.

Having States be the check and balance for the Constitution rather than the Supreme court is to "throw the Constitution out."



What?

Yes, because that is what the Constitution provides.

First of all, even if that were true,the Constitution can be changed, they are called Constitutional Amendments. It's happened before. Wanting to change the Constitution isn't wanting to throw it out. Do you say the same of other Constitutional amendments? The proposers wanted to throw out the Constitution? LMAO

And wow, you just lost this discussion. It's NOT in the Constitution. The Supreme Court gave itself judicial review. Google Marbury v. Madison. Wow, you just proved teachers don't teach what the Constitution says, LOL.

Dude, seriously

Read back through the posts. Is you brain overloaded so much that you don't realize that you just agreed with my post about changing the Constitution?

Liberalism is a mental defect as well as uber-conservative conspiracy wackos like you appear to be. I am done conversing with a brick wall.

I missed that post. Among the dozens. What change do believe should be made to the constitution which would radically improve the school system?

You are just hopelessly confused. That was not the topic at all. Try reading it again. Maybe it will sink in.

 

[Markle]

I have yet to meet many parents that can handle high school algebra!

In most cases - that's true. But you do realize that a homeschooled student receives materials that shows step-by-step how to teach the assignments. If and when that is not enough, parents can simply turn to the internet for further information, lessons, etc. If that's still not enough - parents can and do hire tutors.

You do realize that is the technology age, don't you? We are way beyond the brick and mortar school churning out cookie cutter curriculum by unionized teachers taking the tax payer for all they are worth. I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by all of this but the reality is, we are still at least a decade away (if not two or three) from learning shifting to a new paradigm (most likely online). So relax. Take a breath.

I have no problem with people who do that. My problem is with those who don't!

I have a student whose father is an instructor in a diesel mechanics class at our community college. Mm has a college degree. Neither one can help their child learn because they "don't get it" and their son does not pay attention in class. What if they decided to pull him out and homeschool him? Do you think he would learn it if they cannot even help him now?

Perhaps its' the teachers in the school that "don't get it." What evidence do you have that the parents are at fault?

Of course, the parents bear the major part of the blame. Simply look at the difference in the makeup of the family of 50 years ago and today.

You mean welfare is to blame. That's the reason we have a 70% illegitimacy rate among blacks.

Very true. Aside from money, what is the major indicator between a child being raised in poverty and one NOT being raised in poverty?

 

[Markle]

".. the overall quality of education in the state has improved slightly over the past few years, according to a pair of new reports.
"Education Week’s 2016 Quality Counts report, which measures on overall educational quality, had Wisconsin’s score increasing from 78.9 in 2015 (a C+) to 79.8 (a B-). The state ranked 11th out of the 50 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
"Wisconsin also tied for first with Minnesota among Midwestern states."

"While Laning’s statement seemed to suggest that Walker has left the schools all but penniless and unable to function normally, that’s hardly the case.
"Wisconsin ranked 22nd, and slightly above the national average, in per-pupil spending, according to the Education Week report. And that amount of money was seemingly enough to provide quality instruction for most students.
“On academic achievement, the state ranked above the nation in most areas,” the Journal Sentinel observed, based on the Education Week report.
"Wisconsin also improved its score and remained tied for third in the nation in the K-12 graduation rate, according to PoltiFact Wisconsin.
"The state has a graduation rate of 88.6 percent in 2013-14, which is apparently the last school year measured by federal officials. In 2012-13 that figure was 88.0 percent."

Ouch.

The truth stings lying progressive moonbats.

Report shows Wisconsin schools doing more with less | EAGnews.org

Is Donald Trump right about what Gov. Scott Walker did to Wisconsin schools?

Wisconsin is falling in terms of student to teacher ratios as the article above points out. That's due to budget cuts and teacher shortages.

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

I have a decade of time in college. Real estate can be done by anyone with a high school diploma.

True, and I know some with a GED who regularly earn 2 to 4 times as much as you. Somehow I don't know why someone would brag about having spent a decade (could be a doctor) and earn only $52,000 a year and continuously whine.

 

[bripat9643]

In most cases - that's true. But you do realize that a homeschooled student receives materials that shows step-by-step how to teach the assignments. If and when that is not enough, parents can simply turn to the internet for further information, lessons, etc. If that's still not enough - parents can and do hire tutors.

You do realize that is the technology age, don't you? We are way beyond the brick and mortar school churning out cookie cutter curriculum by unionized teachers taking the tax payer for all they are worth. I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by all of this but the reality is, we are still at least a decade away (if not two or three) from learning shifting to a new paradigm (most likely online). So relax. Take a breath.

I have no problem with people who do that. My problem is with those who don't!

I have a student whose father is an instructor in a diesel mechanics class at our community college. Mm has a college degree. Neither one can help their child learn because they "don't get it" and their son does not pay attention in class. What if they decided to pull him out and homeschool him? Do you think he would learn it if they cannot even help him now?

Perhaps its' the teachers in the school that "don't get it." What evidence do you have that the parents are at fault?

Of course, the parents bear the major part of the blame. Simply look at the difference in the makeup of the family of 50 years ago and today.

You mean welfare is to blame. That's the reason we have a 70% illegitimacy rate among blacks.

Very true. Aside from money, what is the major indicator between a child being raised in poverty and one NOT being raised in poverty?

The one being raised in poverty doesn't have a father present in the household.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Is Donald Trump right about what Gov. Scott Walker did to Wisconsin schools?

Wisconsin is falling in terms of student to teacher ratios as the article above points out. That's due to budget cuts and teacher shortages.

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

I have a decade of time in college. Real estate can be done by anyone with a high school diploma.

True, and I know some with a GED who regularly earn 2 to 4 times as much as you. Somehow I don't know why someone would brag about having spent a decade (could be a doctor) and earn only $52,000 a year and continuously whine.

They are not professionals. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand the difference, since you claim to be one.

Real estate agents in my market are likely taking jobs at Walmart because the military keeps transferring all of the military personnel out of our base. Nobody is making money here. Houses sit on the market for years. Major stores are going out of business. We just lost K-Mart. Now those real estate agents will have to compete with laid off K-Mart workers.

 

[bripat9643]

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

I have a decade of time in college. Real estate can be done by anyone with a high school diploma.

True, and I know some with a GED who regularly earn 2 to 4 times as much as you. Somehow I don't know why someone would brag about having spent a decade (could be a doctor) and earn only $52,000 a year and continuously whine.

They are not professionals. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand the difference, since you claim to be one.

Real estate agents in my market are likely taking jobs at Walmart because the military keeps transferring all of the military personnel out of our base. Nobody is making money here. Houses sit on the market for years. Major stores are going out of business. We just lost K-Mart. Now those real estate agents will have to compete with laid off K-Mart workers.

You're the victim of living in an economically depressed area. The only thing you can do about that is move.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Really? What "new funding"?

We had a 1% raise for the first time in a decade last year. This year we got 2%. We have not had any new textbooks since 2011. My laptop is a dinosaur.

Remind me again how good we have it?

Simple, go into another line of work. My experience has been that teachers do well in real estate. Easily you could earn two to three times what you make today after a couple of years. Of course, you are working on commission so you have to produce or "die" so to speak. Most aren't willing to do what is necessary to be successful and most cannot handle the uncertainty and erratic income, but the rewards are great!

I have a decade of time in college. Real estate can be done by anyone with a high school diploma.

True, and I know some with a GED who regularly earn 2 to 4 times as much as you. Somehow I don't know why someone would brag about having spent a decade (could be a doctor) and earn only $52,000 a year and continuously whine.

They are not professionals. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand the difference, since you claim to be one.

Real estate agents in my market are likely taking jobs at Walmart because the military keeps transferring all of the military personnel out of our base. Nobody is making money here. Houses sit on the market for years. Major stores are going out of business. We just lost K-Mart. Now those real estate agents will have to compete with laid off K-Mart workers.

You're the victim of living in an economically depressed area. The only thing you can do about that is move.

I don't work in this area. That is why I commute 75 miles a day round trip, and my wife commutes well over a hundred miles per day round trip.

 

[koshergrl]

It's stuff like Snap, Javascript, some kind of really basic CAD type system but it imparts the basics and creates the passion.

Last I heard, computer science was considered an engineering discipline. It's not doing circuit analysis or stress analysis though (obviously).

You heard wrong. Computer science is an entirely separate department.

That's odd. While i was a computer science major in college all of my classes were part of the School of Engineering.

Man. you never cease to amaze me at the stuff you don't know!

Like I said, you chose to teach over a more difficult profession in computer programming which would pay you two to three times, at least, what you whine about today.

My post was to counter the idiots out there talking about the great pay for "part-time" work, Cadillac health plans, and great retirement benefits. Those might exist in a few rare places, but that is far from the norm.

Are you sure you even bothered reading the thread?

Not bad when you have 9 weeks off in the summer and every major holiday and weekends as well.

2012-2013 Average Starting Teacher Salaries by State

 

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