Zone1 Is Jesus God?

[hobelim]

Scripture also tells that Yeshua did not think it robbery to be equal with God. You know, the thing that got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.

Try to think about your own words here, as if your very life depended on it, because it does.

Damn.

 

[hadit]

Genesis is about the creation of heaven and earth, not the universe, the solar system, the earth, or the first plants animals or human beings and it never was.

That right there tells me you're not reading it, you're reading what someone else says about it.

It also says the world was flat. Is that false or does that statement reflect a deeper truth about the fact that before the creation everyone was equal, just former slaves, and there were no rich or poor, masters and slaves, judges and sinners, no law at all which is what is meant by "the world was without shape or form and void." and then light was spoken into existence which caused division between night and day, clean and unclean, right and wrong, good and evil, life, a blessing, and death, a curse.

What do you thing Jesus meant by saying he didn't come to bring peace but division if it was not a reference to the creation story, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so."

Nice word salad that doesn't really mean a whole lot. Ever wonder why there was night and day before the sun was created?

 

[hadit]

I am not making the argument about you. I am asking why you are clinging to lies like a baby clings to its bottle and not renouncing the work of the devil which has fucked up your mind so thoroughly that you don't even have an inkling how insane it is to believe that God became a sacrificial man so you can sin, and not die, and continue be an asshole for life with impunity.

And that right there tells me you have no idea of anything about me at all, which is why you are trying to make the argument about me. It's not.

 

[hadit]

Try to think about your own words here, as if your very life depended on it, because it does.

Damn.

Try to think about what it means for Yeshua to not think it robbery to be equal with God.

 

[hadit]

Its a metaphor is the only rational rebuttal to your irrational reality defying delusions.

Translation: You can't deny the plain meaning of the Scripture.

 

[hobelim]

And that right there tells me you have no idea of anything about me at all, which is why you are trying to make the argument about me. It's not.

I know you're trying to perpetuate the lie that Jesus claimed to be God. That tells me a lot about you.

 

[hobelim]

Translation: You can't deny the plain meaning of the Scripture.

lol...The plain meaning can only be discovered with intelligence, not blind faith in the ridiculous

 

[hobelim]

Try to think about what it means for Yeshua to not think it robbery to be equal with God.

Paul said that, NOT JESUS, Paul who was a rabid anti christian persecutor and participant at the murder of Stephen who said "submit to the governing authorities" when Nero was Caesar.

Try to think about what that means. You can do it!

 

[hadit]

I know you're trying to perpetuate the lie that Jesus claimed to be God. That tells me a lot about you.

You are desperately squirming and throwing up as much dust as you can to escape the many times that the Scriptures say exactly that.

 

[hadit]

lol...The plain meaning can only be discovered with intelligence, not blind faith in the ridiculous

The plain meaning of the Scriptures must be simple enough for EVERYONE to understand, yet profound enough to stump the wisdom of men. How is it ridiculous to take the Word of God at face value? What you are doing is approaching it with a preset bias, determined to avoid anything that says Yeshua is God, which in turn leads you to spew ever more fanciful fantasies and diversions without being willing to post the sources that lead you to believe it.

 

[hadit]

Paul said that, NOT JESUS, the same Paul, a rabid anti christian persecutor and murderer of Stephen, who said to "submit to the governing authorities" when Nero was Caesar.

Try to think about what that means. You can do it!

That's right, Paul is a prime example of how Yeshua's saving grace can so totally transform someone. And, are you trying to claim that the Word does NOT tell us to submit to our national leaders? If so, please post your sources, again.

 

[hobelim]

How is it ridiculous to take the Word of God at face value?

How is it ridiculous? Seriously? "I am living bread", "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood"

DUH.

"I will give you treasures hidden in dark vaults and stored in secret places so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel who summons you by name" Isaiah 45:3

"The kingdom of Heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN." Matthew 13:44

"Till now I have been using figures of speech" John 16:25

 

[hobelim]

And, are you trying to claim that the Word does NOT tell us to submit to our national leaders? If so, please post your sources, again.

The point I made was obvious.

You failed to understand me yet someone is supposed to believe that you understand scripture?

 

[ding]

I know you're trying to perpetuate the lie that Jesus claimed to be God. That tells me a lot about you.

Claimed? Hell... he proved it.

 

[ding]

I know you're trying to perpetuate the lie that Jesus claimed to be God. That tells me a lot about you.

Time to be schooled again by a couple of 5th century peasants.

 

[hobelim]

Ever wonder why there was night and day before the sun was created?

No, because there was no such thing as night and day on earth before the sun existed and according to Genesis light was spoken into existence first which then divided day from the night.

Ever wonder why the earth existed before light, according to genesis, if its is about the Big Bang?

Maybe you should stop embarrassing yourself further and just go back to the drawing board.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything that you say can and will be used against you.

 

[hadit]

How is it ridiculous? Seriously? "I am living bread", "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood"

DUH.

"I will give you treasures hidden in dark vaults and stored in secret places so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel who summons you by name" Isaiah 45:3

"The kingdom of Heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN." Matthew 13:44

"Till now I have been using figures of speech" John 16:25

Of course. When something appears to contradict the rest of Scripture, you look to see why and you dig deeper. That doesn't mean that you approach Scripture with a predetermined bias and twist it to fit your ideas. It should go the other way. Still don't see a source from you for how Isaiah was talking about Hezekiah. Starting to think you don't have one and were just making it all up.

 

[hadit]

No, because there was no such thing as night and day on earth before the sun existed and according to Genesis light was spoken into existence first which then divided day from the night.

Ever wonder why the earth existed before light, according to genesis, if its is about the Big Bang?

Maybe you should stop embarrassing yourself further and just go back to the drawing board.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything that you say can and will be used against you.

The Big Bang definitely fits with the sun being created after light, because science says the early universe was blazing with light from the expansion long before hydrogen cooled enough to form stars. And no, it doesn't bother me at all if God created the earth before everything else. Now, we see very clearly in Genesis that GOD is doing all the creating, and we see in John that the Word was BEFORE all created things, created all the things that were created, then became flesh and dwelt among us. The only way you avoid Yeshua being God is if you start yelling about metaphors and it didn't really mean it, and so on.

 

[hadit]

The point I made was obvious.

You failed to understand me yet someone is supposed to believe that you understand scripture?

So, no sources then, again.

 

[hobelim]

Of course. When something appears to contradict the rest of Scripture, you look to see why and you dig deeper. That doesn't mean that you approach Scripture with a predetermined bias and twist it to fit your ideas. It should go the other way. Still don't see a source from you for how Isaiah was talking about Hezekiah. Starting to think you don't have one and were just making it all up.

Isaiah 9:5-6 says: "For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called A wonderful counselor is the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the ruler of peace; that the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts does perform this." Who is the child the prophet speaks about?

Answer: Isaiah is known for the method by which he presents many of his messages through the use of prophetic names (Isaiah 7:3, 14; 8:3). In the verse under study, the prophet expounds his message by formulating a prophetic name for Hezekiah. The words of this name form a sentence expressive of God's greatness, which will become manifest in the benefits to be bestowed upon the future king in his lifetime. Thus, the name, though borne by the king, serves, in reality, as a testimonial to God. Hezekiah is called "a wonderful counselor" because this name is a sign, which foretells God's design for him.

The Lord of hosts has sworn, saying: "As I have thought, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand, that I will break Asshur in My land, and upon My mountains trample him under foot; then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulder." This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth; and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. For the Lord of hosts has purposed, and who will annul it? And His hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (Isaiah 14:24-27)

Be not afraid of the words that you have heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed Me. Behold, I will put a spirit in him, and he shall hear a rumor, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. (Isaiah 37:6-7)

Hezekiah is called "the mighty God" because this name is a sign that foretells God's defense of Jerusalem through the miraculous sudden mass death of Sennacherib's army.

Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the king of Assyria: He shall not come to this city, nor shoot an arrow there, neither shall he come before it with shield, nor cast a mound against it. By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and he shall not come to this city, says the Lord. For I will defend this city to save it, for My own sake, and for My servant David's sake. (Isaiah 37:33-35)

Hezekiah is called "the everlasting Father" because this name is a sign, which foretells that God will add years to his life. "Go, and say to Hezekiah: Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add to your days fifteen years" (Isaiah 38:5). Hezekiah is called "the ruler of peace" because this name is a sign, which foretells that God would be merciful to him. Punishment for lack of faith in the Almighty will be deferred and peace granted during the last years of his rule. "Then said Hezekiah to Isaiah: 'Good is the word of the Lord which you have spoken.' He said moreover: 'If but there shall be peace and security in my days'" (Isaiah 39:8). The fulfillment of the above-stated declarations is foretold in Isaiah 9:6, when, after the Assyrian defeat, Hezekiah's glory increased and peace reigned for the rest of his life (2 Chronicles 32:23). Archaeologists have found that there was a sudden expansion of Judean settlements in the years following the fall of the northern kingdom. This indicates that many refugees fled south, thus giving added significance to the statement "that the government may be increased." Hezekiah's kingdom is declared to be forever, for through his efforts to cleanse the Temple ritual of idolatry, even though apostasy followed under his son Menasseh, the Davidic dynasty was once more confirmed as the only true kingly rule that God would accept over his people "from henceforth and forever." The greatness of Hezekiah lies in his setting the stage for Israel's future. Hezekiah was a true reformer. He cleansed religious worship of foreign influence, purged the palace and the Temple of images and pagan altars, and reestablished pure monotheistic religion. In the long run Hezekiah's achievements would outlive him, leaving an everlasting, indelible impact on the history of his people. Thus, God, through Isaiah, bestows upon Hezekiah this name which honors the king by proclaiming the great things God will do for him, and, through him, for the people of Israel.

Who is the child in Isaiah 9:5-6?

Isaiah 9:5-6 says: "For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us..." Who is the child the prophet speaks about?

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