is ted cruz eligible to run ??

[Faun]

He wasn't born in Kenya.

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

He wasn't born in Kenya.

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

Fauny thinks he can 'demand" evidence in every thread and about every post when it never bothers doing so itself.

Not taking the bait from fauny really seems to upset it.

 

[Faun]

Liberoids went batshit crazy when questions were asked about Obumbler's place of birth.

Now, still butthurt over that, they figure that they can "turn the tables" and seek some ironic solace by "challenging" Ted Cruz's Constitutional eligibility to be President -- since Cruz WAS born in Canada.

But then, they whinny and bray and whine and cry when their specious "arguments" get roundly, soundly, consistently and easily refuted.

It's actually funny to watch.

Who are the 'Liberals' that are arguing that Canadian born Cruz is not eligible?

Not me- so I have been seeing only Conservative nut jobs like Stevie the Racist arguing that Cruz is not eligible.

Oddly enough, he refuses to sat. Fancy that?

 

[Syriusly]

Despite your self-congratulation, you remain insanely retarded. You made the claim that the left is challenging Cruz's eligibility. You now call me challenging you on that, "a faux question."

Which everyone one reading this can understand is your cowardly avoidance of answering it since you're an imbecile who just can't recognize that protests over Cruz's eligibility are coming from the right.

As I pointed out to you already, I have seen posts from members of this board from the left side of the political spectrum who HAVE made that taunting and rather silly claim.

Well the nebulous 'left' you claim to cite isn't here. The birthers and their debunkers are. With Steven the racist conservative being the leading proponent of Cruz being ineligible. And we 'liberals' telling him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I already said that for the most part (and maybe entirely) you lefties aren't HERE in this thread.

And yes, the racist piece of crap Steve Is one of the mutts making the claim here in this thread.

I congratulate you HERE for telling a schmuck like Steve that he doesn't have the foggiest damn notion of what he's yammering about. He is not just a mindless racist twat, but he's also wrong on this topic in this thread. (He's almost always wrong no matter what thread he's in, but that's just him).

So you are just a troll who spews out crap and then runs away.

Not a shock.

wrong on all counts. No surprise.

Unlike you, I'm not trolling at all.

I didn't spew any crap. Would be nice if you could say the same. And you can't. Not honestly anyway..

Sure- look at this crap you posted

left wing liberal Dumbocraps like Fakey like to raise the fake "issue" of eligibility because they are miffed that their Obamessiah was actually questioned concerning HIS own eligibility.

Yet in the very thread you posted that pile of crap, it is liberals like myself who are the ones confronting idiot conservatives like Stevie the Racist and saying that Cruz is indeed eligible.

The only times I have seen any 'liberals' raise the issue of Cruz's eligiblity has been to mock Birthers who pretended to care about Obama's eligiblity but who are in love with Cruz.

You just wanted to take a cheap shot at liberals- because that is what you do.

 

[Syriusly]

He wasn't born in Kenya.

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

Fauny thinks he can 'demand" evidence in every thread and about every post when it never bothers doing so itself..

Imagine- people asking a poster to actually back up what they claim....how terribly gauche...

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Liberoids went batshit crazy when questions were asked about Obumbler's place of birth.

Now, still butthurt over that, they figure that they can "turn the tables" and seek some ironic solace by "challenging" Ted Cruz's Constitutional eligibility to be President -- since Cruz WAS born in Canada.

But then, they whinny and bray and whine and cry when their specious "arguments" get roundly, soundly, consistently and easily refuted.

It's actually funny to watch.

Who are the 'Liberals' that are arguing that Canadian born Cruz is not eligible?

Not me- so I have been seeing only Conservative nut jobs like Stevie the Racist arguing that Cruz is not eligible.

Oddly enough, he refuses to sat. Fancy that?

As fauny knows, what I have declined to do is go back to "prove" anything to him since there is no purpose served in it. When I go back and find some lib who has brayed that Ted Cruz is constitutionally ineligible because he was born in Canada, it's not like a guy such as fauny would admit it. And even if he could find his nadz long enough to do that much, again: so what? His would-be "demand" is a deflection effort.

Nothing fancy about that.

 

[Faun]

He wasn't born in Kenya.

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

Fauny thinks he can 'demand" evidence in every thread and about every post when it never bothers doing so itself.

Not taking the bait from fauny really seems to upset it.

You putz. No one can demand you prove your lies. But rest assured, everyone knows why you resist so vehemently.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

As I pointed out to you already, I have seen posts from members of this board from the left side of the political spectrum who HAVE made that taunting and rather silly claim.

Well the nebulous 'left' you claim to cite isn't here. The birthers and their debunkers are. With Steven the racist conservative being the leading proponent of Cruz being ineligible. And we 'liberals' telling him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I already said that for the most part (and maybe entirely) you lefties aren't HERE in this thread.

And yes, the racist piece of crap Steve Is one of the mutts making the claim here in this thread.

I congratulate you HERE for telling a schmuck like Steve that he doesn't have the foggiest damn notion of what he's yammering about. He is not just a mindless racist twat, but he's also wrong on this topic in this thread. (He's almost always wrong no matter what thread he's in, but that's just him).

So you are just a troll who spews out crap and then runs away.

Not a shock.

wrong on all counts. No surprise.

Unlike you, I'm not trolling at all.

I didn't spew any crap. Would be nice if you could say the same. And you can't. Not honestly anyway..

Sure- look at this crap you posted

left wing liberal Dumbocraps like Fakey like to raise the fake "issue" of eligibility because they are miffed that their Obamessiah was actually questioned concerning HIS own eligibility.

Yet in the very thread you posted that pile of crap, it is liberals like myself who are the ones confronting idiot conservatives like Stevie the Racist and saying that Cruz is indeed eligible.

The only times I have seen any 'liberals' raise the issue of Cruz's eligiblity has been to mock Birthers who pretended to care about Obama's eligiblity but who are in love with Cruz.

You just wanted to take a cheap shot at liberals- because that is what you do.

Actually, I don't need to "look" at my pioswts since I am the one who wrote them.

Interestingly, I did make one mistake. I subsequently observed that Jake had taken the opposite position. I was pleasantly surprised.

That said, on many past days here at USMB I have seen some of the snarky, smirky, self-satisfied left wing hacks staking the claim that Cruz is ineligible. Upon invitation to jump through hoops to "prove" that to you, I laugh at you instead.

Let it goad you. Let the irritation well up inside you.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

Fauny thinks he can 'demand" evidence in every thread and about every post when it never bothers doing so itself.

Not taking the bait from fauny really seems to upset it.

You putz. No one can demand you prove your lies. But rest assured, everyone knows why you resist so vehemently.

You hapless rancid old clit: I wouldn't offer to prove up a lie. The lie is your denial, not my valid and truthful claim. Your idiotic "demand" was to show you what I had observed on some threads here in the past. I decline your idiotic invitation. Jump through your own hoops. If and when I stumble upon one or more of them, I will link them here. And you will do WHAT with that information?

That's what I thought. Get back to humping Obumbler's leg.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

Fauny thinks he can 'demand" evidence in every thread and about every post when it never bothers doing so itself..

Imagine- people asking a poster to actually back up what they claim....how terribly gauche...

Imagine how silly you look and are.

Already addressed. I will deign to show you when I stumble back across an example or two. until then, pound salt up your ass.

 

[Siete]

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

Great. . Same cowardly answer as illmeil too.

I take that as a concession that you're full of shit -- just so ya know.

Fauny thinks he can 'demand" evidence in every thread and about every post when it never bothers doing so itself.

Not taking the bait from fauny really seems to upset it.

You putz. No one can demand you prove your lies. But rest assured, everyone knows why you resist so vehemently.

You hapless rancid old clit: I wouldn't offer to prove up a lie. The lie is your denial, not my valid and truthful claim. Your idiotic "demand" was to show you what I had observed on some threads here in the past. I decline your idiotic invitation. Jump through your own hoops. If and when I stumble upon one or more of them, I will link them here. And you will do WHAT with that information?

That's what I thought. Get back to humping Obumbler's leg.

taunting? .... isn't there a board rule about that.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Because he was not born in the USA to parents who were US Citizens.

See, Vattel's Law of Nations.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Obama was ruled to be eligible as a natural born citizen by an Indiana court, which referenced Wok Kim Ark.

A lie. Ankeny v Daniels was not about presidential eligibility.

.

He wasn't born in Kenya.

That can't be determined since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office found his birth certificate to be a 100% forgery.
No

Show us the official report from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department saying as much.

You can't. It doesn't exist. Why? Because the State of Hawaii already verified that the LFBC is 100% for the Secretary of State of Arizona, Ken Bennett.

They've already proved it in the first press conference and more evidence will be released once the new criminal investigation wraps. The state of Hawaii's Dept of Health stalled for weeks replying

He wasn't born in Kenya.

That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US Citizen, he was merely in Hawaii on a student visa.

Either prove he was in Hawaii on a student visa or run away like a coward like illmeil.

Look it up yourself.

The total ignorance of history displayed by some clowns on this site is astounding.

The nationality of Obama's father is irrelevant. Natural born status follows place of birth. Both of Obama's parents could have been foreign nationals and he still would have been a natural born citizen since he was born in Hawaii.

What a blatant lie. You are truly being a devoted Obama water boy today.

 

[Skylar]

They've already proved it in the first press conference and more evidence will be released once the new criminal investigation wraps. The state of Hawaii's Dept of Health stalled for weeks replying

Show us the official report. If its an official investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department, there will be an official report. Its been almost 4 years.

For fuck's sake, Steven.....the 911 Commission report only took 3. And Maricopa County Sheriff's Department can't produce so much as an interim report on ANYTHING in nearly 4?

Face it: they're refusing to back the conspiratorial batshit.

What a blatant lie. You are truly being a devoted Obama water boy today.

What did you call that? A 'baseless assertion'? If you believe I'm wrong, prove it. Show me your evidence. I cited the US Supreme Court establishing that natural born status follows place of birth.

You've said 'uh-uh'.

Our sources are not equal.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well the nebulous 'left' you claim to cite isn't here. The birthers and their debunkers are.

Who are "The Birthers"?

Are they like "homophobes", which is a meaningless term conjured from the ether... Fraudulently designed from addled deceit, in a desperate means to influence the Ignorant? Meaning that there actually are NO SUCH THINGS are "Birthers". And that you use the otherwise meaningless term as a means to cow those who in honest, open reality... merely question the birth origins and the veracity of a human being with a very muddy past, and a history built upon profound deceit?

The reality is that IF obama's mother had fallen onto the steps of the Kennedy White House, rose to a squat and birthed little Barry right there on the steps recorded in Technicolor by Presidential Historians, finger printed, and given his Connecticut SS card in full view of the entire world... he would not be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, because his father is a foreign national.

A natural born citizen is one whose citizenship is the natural consequence of birth and the only means for a person's birth to be a natural consequence of citizenship is where BOTH PARENTS ARE CITIZENS.

The reason, of course, is that this precludes, to the extent possible that the individual will have split loyalties, as the obama exercise has clearly demonstrated is not only possible, but likely. As obama has spent his illegitimate presidency promoting the interests of the Islamic enemy of the United States... which according to the US Constitution is, quite literally treason against the United States.

Ya see scamp, a viable nation doesn't allow that sort of nonsense and unlike you, the Founders of the US were not saddled with a deviant, highly limited variation of human reasoning, thus understanding that.

See how that works?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Show us the official report.

No problem:

The Official Press Conference, which officially reported the facts of the Investigation to the official Public; The Press Conference:



The Affidavit, wherein the Chief Investigator Officially reports the findings of the Investigation:

http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/141003-Mike Zullo Affidavit.pdf

 

[Skylar]

Well the nebulous 'left' you claim to cite isn't here. The birthers and their debunkers are.

Who are "The Birthers"?

Are they like "homophobes", which is a meaningless term conjured from the ether...

Those contesting Obama's eligibility to be president. Which would include you.

Fraudulently designed from addled deceit, in a desperate means to influence the Ignorant? Meaning that there actually are NO SUCH THINGS are "Birthers". And that you use the otherwise meaningless term as a means to cow those who in honest, open reality... merely question the birth origins and the veracity of a human being with a very muddy past, and a history built upon profound deceit?

So was it 'honest' when you insisted that the term 'natural born citizen' could only be derived from the dictionary.....until I quoted the dictionary contradicting you? And then you ignored the dictionary, refused to discuss it and switched sources?

While we all got a good chuckle watching you flee like that.....ignoring your very own standards when they disagree with you isn't 'honest', Keyes. Its a dishonest act of intellectual cowardice. And its very much your process.

The reality is that IF obama's mother had fallen onto the steps of the Kennedy White House, rose to a squat and birthed little Barry right there on the steps recorded in Technicolor by Presidential Historians, finger printed, and given his Connecticut SS card in full view of the entire world... he would not be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, because his father is a foreign national.

Says who? The USSC in Wong Kim Ark made it clear that English Common law was the lens through which we understand the meaning of the constitutional definitions:

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

And using English Common law, the courts found that natural born status follows place of birth, even if both the child's parents are foreign nationals.

The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.

Natural born status follows PLACE of birth. Not parentage. Explicitly contradicting you. So why would I ignore the USSC and instead believe you?

Remember Keyes....and this point is fundamental: you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. And you will ignore your own standards to cling to whatever bullshit you're schucking this week. Just like you did with the dictionary.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Liberoids went batshit crazy when questions were asked about Obumbler's place of birth.

Now, still butthurt over that, they figure that they can "turn the tables" and seek some ironic solace by "challenging" Ted Cruz's Constitutional eligibility to be President -- since Cruz WAS born in Canada.

But then, they whinny and bray and whine and cry when their specious "arguments" get roundly, soundly, consistently and easily refuted.

It's actually funny to watch.

Who are the 'Liberals' that are arguing that Canadian born Cruz is not eligible?

Not me- so I have been seeing only Conservative nut jobs like Stevie the Racist arguing that Cruz is not eligible.

Cruz is a fine young man and a great American.

However, his father is a foreign national and as a result, he is not a natural born citizen of the United States, thus he is not eligible, due to the US Constitutional requirement that all President's must be such to qualify for the highest office.

As is nearly always the case, the founders of the United States and the Framers of the Constitution, sought to protect the Constitution, by only allowing those whose were born to TWO US CITIZENS, thus providing the highest likelihood that the individual would have been exposed to, thus would recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles on which the Constitution was written and which define America itself... and we have seen through the obama-nation, the catastrophic potential of allowing subversive factions turn from that high principle, as the one singular example of if a non-natural born citizen being appointed president, may well have crippled the United States.

So... doin' it again... just seems PROFOUNDLY foolish at this point.

But... as regrettable as THAT is... It's the black community that I feel the worst for.

I mean the election of obama has born out the worst accusations inherent in the worst of the racial stereotypes. And THAT is just a pitiful shame.

 

[Skylar]

Show us the official report.

No problem:

The Official Press Conference, which officially reported the facts of the Investigation to the official Public; The Press Conference:



The Affidavit, wherein the Chief Investigator Officially reports the findings of the Investigation:

http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/141003-Mike Zullo Affidavit.pdf

Show us the official report from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office backing any of that.

If its an official investigation by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, there will be an official report.

And there is none.

 

[Skylar]

As is nearly always the case, the founders of the United States and the Framers of the Constitution, sought to protect the Constitution, by only allowing those whose were born to TWO US CITIZENS, thus providing the highest likelihood that the individual would have been exposed to, thus would recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles on which the Constitution was written and which define America itself... and we have seen through the obama-nation, the catastrophic potential of allowing subversive factions turn from that high principle, as the one singular example of if a non-natural born citizen being appointed president, may well have crippled the United States.

And where did the founders or the constitution say any of this? So far its you citing yourself. All while ignoring your own sources.

You were saying about 'profoundly foolish'?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well the nebulous 'left' you claim to cite isn't here. The birthers and their debunkers are.

Who are "The Birthers"?

Are they like "homophobes", which is a meaningless term conjured from the ether...

Those contesting Obama's eligibility to be president. Which would include you.

I don't contest the eligibility of obama. I state flat out, in no uncertain terms that obama is NOT eligible for the Presidency of the United States. And I state it on the irrefutable, incontestable, irrepressible FACT: obama IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES!

And THAT rests directly upon the FACT that to BE a natural born citizen of the United States, one's citizenship MUST be the natural consequence of one's BIRTH and the ONLY way that one's citizenship can be the natural consequence of one's birth is that BOTH PARENTS MUST BE A US CITIZEN... wherein the BIRTH WHICH STEMS FROM SUCH, IS BY THE VERY NATURE OF THAT CIRCUMSTANCE ITSELF.

We know this to be true, because the reasoning itself, is intellectually sound, logically valid and otherwise: incontestable, requiring no other justification, be it in geographical or legal terms. The very ACT of two citizens joining to bearing a child, inalterably produces a citizen.