Islam forbids

[JW Frogen]

Perhaps we should start with a much shorter list, what does Islam allow?

 

[Sunni Man]

Perhaps we should start with a much shorter list, what does Islam allow?

marriage
familys
children
sending kids to school
higher education
working for a living
paying taxes
owning a house
vacations
travel to other countries
business
trade
seeing doctors
becoming a doctor
taking medicine
shopping at a store
visiting friends
teaching kids
visiting the sick
being friendly to neighbors
share food with strangers
own pets
be kind to animals
save money
give money to the needy
feed the poor
help orphans and widows
smile to everyone
teach morals to children
reverence to parents
help your community
be kind to strangers
etc. etc, etc.............

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Perhaps we should start with a much shorter list, what does Islam allow?

marriage(plural)
familys
children( to spread Islam)
sending kids to school(to learn the Quran)
higher education
working for a living
paying taxes( to finance jihad)
owning a house
vacations
travel to other countries( For jihad)
business
trade
seeing doctors
becoming a doctor
taking medicine
shopping at a store
visiting friends( men women separate)
teaching kids( Jihad)
visiting the sick(to convert them to Islam)
being friendly to neighbors
share food with strangers
own pets
be kind to animals
save money
give money to the needy
feed the poor
help orphans and widows
smile to everyone
teach morals to children(Islamic morals)
reverence to parents
help your community( fight jihad)
be kind to strangers(and convert the to Islam)
etc. etc, etc.............

Freedom of speech.
Freedom of conscience.
Liberty .
Nope.

 

[Sunni Man]

Freedom of speech.
Freedom of conscience.
Liberty .

Yes, we have those also.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Freedom of speech.
Freedom of conscience.
Liberty .

Yes, we have those also.

Please define in detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

 

[Sunni Man]

Please detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

Let me get this straight.

You use the name Mr Fitnah as your user name.

Yet you don't know what the word "fitnah" means

 

[JW Frogen]

Perhaps we should start with a much shorter list, what does Islam allow?

marriage
familys
children
sending kids to school
higher education
working for a living
paying taxes
owning a house
vacations
travel to other countries
business
trade
seeing doctors
becoming a doctor
taking medicine
shopping at a store
visiting friends
teaching kids
visiting the sick
being friendly to neighbors
share food with strangers
own pets
be kind to animals
save money
give money to the needy
feed the poor
help orphans and widows
smile to everyone
teach morals to children
reverence to parents
help your community
be kind to strangers
etc. etc, etc.............

Even this banal list reveals the irrationality of religion as practiced rather than conceived, for the former is the only thing that really matters about a religion in the world.

"Teach morals to children." What morals? Hamas using Islam to get teenagers to commit suicide bombings? I know, many Muslims will say the Koran does not condone that, but Hamas says it does, the religion allows the leeway. No empirical rational could be offered as a moral cause but it can be cherry picked in Islam.

Be kind to animals? When I was in Bahrain, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia dogs were treated with cruelty and contempt, and the justification was not their nature or any scientific examination of their effect on human life, but Islam. You may say it is not justified by the Koran, most there said it was.

Higher education? Try teaching real philosophy, including atheistic or nihilistic traditions or thinkers in many Islamic countries, totally impossible in Saudi Arabia and very difficult in most Islamic nations. Once again the justification is not any rational examination of the effects of these philosophies but rather Islamic prohibition.

Kindness to strangers? Which strangers, gay strangers kissing or holding hands? This would not produce much kindness in most Islamic countries, and the hostility is not justified through empirical thought, but from Islam.

Now you can say the Koran does not justify all or any of these behaviors, but many other Muslims, in fact most in Islamic countries would say it does, and their motivation does not find any other source other than Islam.

 

[PixieStix]

Please detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

Let me get this straight.

You use the name Mr Fitnah as your user name.

Yet you don't know what the word "fitnah" means

Please define fitnah, thanks in advance

In the meantime, I shall continue to spread some mischief

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Please detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

Let me get this straight.

You use the name Mr Fitnah as your user name.

Yet you don't know what the word "fitnah" means

No, this is another opportunity for you to prove you are dishonest.

 

[PixieStix]

Freedom of speech.
Freedom of conscience.
Liberty .

Yes, we have those also.

Freedom to choose religions? let's say a man wife chooses Jesus or atheism, rather than Mohammed, What happens then?

 

[Sunni Man]

Please detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

Let me get this straight.

You use the name Mr Fitnah as your user name.

Yet you don't know what the word "fitnah" means

No, this is another opportunity for you to prove you are dishonest.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Let me get this straight.

You use the name Mr Fitnah as your user name.

Yet you don't know what the word "fitnah" means

No, this is another opportunity for you to prove you are dishonest.

Freedom of speech.
Freedom of conscience.
Liberty .

Yes, we have those also.

Please define in detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

 

[Sunni Man]

Here Mr Fitnut is the defination of fitnah:

Fitnah

Fitnah (فتن&#1577 is an Arabic word, generally regarded as very difficult to translate but at the same time is considered to be an all encompassing word referring to schism, secession, upheaval and anarchy at once. It is often used to refer to civil war, disagreement and division within Islam and specifically alludes to a time involving trials of faith, similar to the Tribulation in Christian eschatology.

fitnah | English | Dictionary & Translation by Babylon

 

[Sunni Man]

And this really long cut & paste was in response to?????

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Freedom of speech.
Freedom of conscience.
Liberty .

Yes, we have those also.

Here Mr Fitnut is the defination of fitnah:

Fitnah

Fitnah (فتن&#1577 is an Arabic word, generally regarded as very difficult to translate but at the same time is considered to be an all encompassing word referring to schism, secession, upheaval and anarchy at once. It is often used to refer to civil war, disagreement and division within Islam and specifically alludes to a time involving trials of faith, similar to the Tribulation in Christian eschatology.

fitnah | English | Dictionary & Translation by Babylon

Thanks tool.
From the Noble Quran
8:39

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193

http://www.ummah.com/what-is-islam/quran/noble/

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

bn Faaris said: “Fa-ta-na is a sound root which indicates testing or trial.” (Maqaayees al-Lughah, 4/472). This is the basic meaning of the word fitnah in Arabic.

Ibn al-Atheer said: “Fitnah: trial or test… The word is often used to describe tests in which something disliked is eliminated. Later it was also often used in the sense of sin, kufr (disbelief), fighting, burning, removing and diverting.” (al-Nihaayah, 3/410. Ibn Hajar said something similar in al-Fath, 13/3).

Ibn al-A’raabi summed up the meanings of fitnah when he said: “Fitnah means testing, fitnah means trial, fitnah means wealth, fitnah means children, fitnah means kufr, fitnah means differences of opinion among people, fitnah means burning with fire.” (Lisaan al-‘Arab by Ibn Manzoor).

2 – Meanings of the word fitnah in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:

1- Testing and trial, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: ‘We believe, and will not be tested [la yuftanoon]” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:2]

i.e., that they will not be subjected to trial, as Ibn Jareer said.

2- Blocking the way and turning people away, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“but beware of them lest they turn you [yaftinooka] (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you” [al-Maa’idah 5:49]

Al-Qurtubi said: this means blocking your way and turning you away.

3- Persecution, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, verily, your Lord for those who emigrated after they had been put to trials [futinoo] and thereafter strove hard and fought (for the Cause of Allaah) and were patient, verily, your Lord afterward is, Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Nahl 16:110]

Put to trial means persecuted.

4- Shirk and kufr, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah)” [al-Baqarah 2:193]

Ibn Katheer said: this means shirk (worshipping others besides Allaah).

5- Falling into sin and hypocrisy, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“(The hypocrites) will call the believers: “Were we not with you?” The believers will reply: “Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations [fatantum anfusakum], you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith) and you were deceived by false desires” [al-Hadeed 57:14]

Al-Baghawi said: i.e., you made yourselves fall into hypocrisy and you destroyed yourselves by means of sin and whims and desires.

6- Confusing truth with falsehood, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so [i.e. become allies, as one united block under one Khaleefah (a chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world) to make victorious Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism], there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism) and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism)”[al-Anfaal 6:73]

What this means is that “unless believers are taken as close friends instead of disbelievers, even if they are relatives, there will be fitnah on earth, i.e., truth will be confused with falsehood.” This is how it is explained in Jaami’ al-Bayaan by Ibn Jareer.

7- Misguidance, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whomsoever Allaah wants to put in Al‑Fitnah (error, because of his rejecting of Faith), you can do nothing for him against Allaah” [al-Maa'idah 5:41]

The meaning of fitnah here is misguidance. Al-Bahr al-Muheet by Abu Hayaan, 4/262.

8- Killing and taking prisoners, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“if you fear that the disbelievers may put you in trial [yaftinakum] (attack you)”

[al-Nisa’ 4:101]

This refers to the kaafirs attacking the Muslims whilst they are praying and prostrating, in order to kill them or take them prisoner, as stated by Ibn Jareer.

9- Difference among people and lack of agreement, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“and they would have hurried about in your midst (spreading corruption) and sowing sedition among you [yabghoonakum al-fitnah]” [al-Tawbah 9:47]

i.e., they would have stirred up differences amongst you, as it says in al-Kashshaaf, 2/277.

10-Insanity, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Which of you is afflicted with madness (maftoon)” [al-Qalam 68:6] Here it means madness.

11-Burning with fire, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who put into trial [fatanoo] the believing men and believing women (by torturing them and burning them)”[al-Burooj 85:10]

Ibn Hajar said: the meaning may be understood from the context. (al-Fath 11/176)

Note:

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the “fitnah” which Allaah attributes to Himself or which His Messenger attributes to Him, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘Thus We have tried [fatannaa] some of them with others’ [al-An’aam 6:53] and the words of Moosa, ‘It is only Your trial [fitnatuka] by which You lead astray whom You will’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning], that carries a different meaning, which is a test or trial from Allaah to His slaves by means of good things and bad, blessings and calamities. This is one thing; the fitnah of the mushrikeen is another thing; the fitnah or trial of the believer by means of his wealth, children and neighbour is another thing; the fitnah (tribulation, differences) that happen amongst the Muslims, like the fitnah that happened between the supporters of ‘Ali and Mu’awiyah, and between him and the people of the camel, and between Muslims when they fight one another or boycott one another, is another thing. (Zaad al-Ma’aad, vol. 3, p. 170).

Please detail the meaning of the word FITNAH.

Let me get this straight.

You use the name Mr Fitnah as your user name.

Yet you don't know what the word "fitnah" means

No, this is another opportunity for you to prove you are dishonest.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Fitnah, pretty much anything a muslim doesn't like or disagrees with .

8:39

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc193

http://www.ummah.com/what-is-islam/quran/noble/

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

 

[Sunni Man]

Just more of your cut & paste nonsense Mr Fitnuts.

Question: do you ever answer anything in your own words?

I mean, anyone with limited intelligence can post cut & paste answers all day long, and still never understand the material or subject they are posting.

You seen to exhibit this behavior to the extreme.

 

[Liability]

Just more of your cut & paste nonsense Mr Fitnuts.

Question: do you ever answer anything in your own words?

I mean, anyone with limited intelligence can post cut & paste answers all day long, and still never understand the material or subject they are posting.

You seen to exhibit this behavior to the extreme.

The fact that his quoted material is clearly responsive to the things you have said demonstrates how wrong you are.

"Fitnah" (whateverthefuckitmeans) is obviously NOT as simply defined as YOU suggested.

Mr. F's posts establish that quite clearly.

Perhaps the lack of understanding is yours alone.

 

[Ringel05]

Just more of your cut & paste nonsense Mr Fitnuts.

Question: do you ever answer anything in your own words?

I mean, anyone with limited intelligence can post cut & paste answers all day long, and still never understand the material or subject they are posting.

You seen to exhibit this behavior to the extreme.

Sunni Man, I'm caught in a bit of a quandry. You know as well as I that some followers of Mohammad believe (based on their interpretation of the Koran) that since I am an infidel (non-believer), it is acceptable to lie to me, cheat me, steal from me, kill me and/or all the above.
Not being able to read you mind or judge your heart how do I know you are not one of these? If you tell me you're not how can I believe you? You understand my dilemma.

 

[Sunni Man]

Just more of your cut & paste nonsense Mr Fitnuts.

Question: do you ever answer anything in your own words?

I mean, anyone with limited intelligence can post cut & paste answers all day long, and still never understand the material or subject they are posting.

You seen to exhibit this behavior to the extreme.

The fact that his quoted material is clearly responsive to the things you have said demonstrates how wrong you are.

"Fitnah" (whateverthefuckitmeans) is obviously NOT as simply defined as YOU suggested.

Mr. F's posts establish that quite clearly.

Perhaps the lack of understanding is yours alone.

I posted the dictionary definition for the word fitnah.

But Mr Fitnuts, adds all kinds of misquotes and out of context nonsense to the definition.

Sure he can impress the misinformed and gulible with his misinformation.

Although, those of us who are knowledgeable on the subject, are aware he is posting stupidity to the extreme.