It takes 3/4 of the States to ratify an Amendment to the Constitution: The Electoral College is safe

[caddo kid]

the Electoral College is as out dated & useless as a dirty used condom full of holes.

the fear in this thread from the right is hilarious.

 

[BULLDOG]

Article V, USC:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

God Bless our Founding Fathers in their infinite wisdom. Even to this very day they watch over us, protecting us from the modern horrors of big centralized government.

How exactly do Democrats propose to compel the smaller states into submission to ratify an amendment abolishing the electoral college.

Notice I said "compel," because the majority of the States will not surrender the Electoral College willingly. It would take a full scale military invasion of the small States to force through such an amendment.

I wouldn't say its "safe". Isnt it something like 16 states have passed laws to assign all of their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote? They have basically found a way around the electoral college.

What you are seeing in the news about abolishing the electoral college is simply a "look at this hand over here", while the other hand is circumventing the process.


*edit*

If the wiki page is correct, it appears 13 have already passed legislation, and there are 15 more with legislation pending.

If that all passes, it will be 28 states who will do this. At 13 states, that is 184 electoral votes which is 68% of the 270 needed. If the others pass it as well, that should be pretty close to bypassing the EC altogether.

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

/——/ What happens if Trump wins the most popular votes? Then what?

You think Trump could win the popular vote? He couldn't even win the popular vote over Hillary. What makes you think he could win it over anyone else?

 

[Wyatt earp]

the Electoral College is as out dated & useless as a dirty used condom full of holes.

the fear in this thread from the right is hilarious.

You think we would let you tranny's run the show?



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[martybegan]

Wrong:

It's a violation of Article I, Section 10:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

End of Story.

Article V, Amending the Constitution, is the only way to change the Electoral College.

If Dems try to push this through and ignore Article V (thereby making California and New York the ones who choose the President until the end of time), you can guarantee there will be secession, civil war, and a very little left of the Union when it's over.

nice try, but no.

Why not? Part of the arrangement is that it only takes place after a certain # of States approve similar laws.

How is that not a compact between States?

This is in addition to the issues with a Republican Form of Government, and one person on vote concepts imposed on the States (but not the feds) via the 14th amendment.

 

[rightwinger]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Move to a nation that fits your needs then.

Never heard of a Constitutional amendment?

 

[rightwinger]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Your giving little children transgender operations! Dressing boys as cross dressers!

?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Move to a nation that fits your needs then.

Never heard of a Constitutional amendment?

How is that ERA amendment working out?


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[Fang]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Odd how Democrats claim to be the party of minorities - expect when it comes to the electoral college. Mob rule all the way in that case.

 

[Votto]

The world’s first democracy was ancient Athens, which allowed around 30,000 free adult male citizens to choose their leaders. They made up less than 15 percent of the population, but it was the most egalitarian political innovation to date.

It didn’t take long for the system to implode amid rampant corruption, an economic downturn, immigration headaches and unpopular foreign wars. (Sound familiar?) The plan of “one man, one vote” devolved into a kind of mob rule, the populace veering with wild swings of opinion. Voters overthrew leaders, exiled the unpopular, and executed generals and politicians – even Socrates himself.

As the saying goes, democracy is four wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. The Founders looked to Athens less as a political model than an object lesson in what not to do.

James Madison said that democracies are “incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

Therefore, America was set up as a republic, filled with countless checks and balances to avoid one group gaining power and using it to punish or exclude everyone they didn’t like.

The Electoral College is undemocratic? Of course. That's why it works

This push to gut our Constitution is the fruits of the Left controlling the education system and dumbing down the younger generations.

But the fake news continuously and erroneously refers to the US as a democracy.

I think they know that lie they are selling, and the education system does nothing to refute it. They are complicit.

 

[Fang]

the Electoral College is as out dated & useless as a dirty used condom full of holes.

the fear in this thread from the right is hilarious.

It's funny to read posts like the one I quoted. caddo thinks this was actually an insightful post. But without a full understanding of why the electoral college exists caddo doesn't realize how ignorant the post really is.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Odd how Democrats claim to be the party of minorities - expect when it comes to the electoral college. Mob rule all the way in that case.

The funny thing is that if they didn't kill 50 million potential Democrat voters since The early 1970's this would be a non issue.

 

[dudmuck]

Article V, USC:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

God Bless our Founding Fathers in their infinite wisdom. Even to this very day they watch over us, protecting us from the modern horrors of big centralized government.

How exactly do Democrats propose to compel the smaller states into submission to ratify an amendment abolishing the electoral college.

Notice I said "compel," because the majority of the States will not surrender the Electoral College willingly. It would take a full scale military invasion of the small States to force through such an amendment.

I wouldn't say its "safe". Isnt it something like 16 states have passed laws to assign all of their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote? They have basically found a way around the electoral college.

What you are seeing in the news about abolishing the electoral college is simply a "look at this hand over here", while the other hand is circumventing the process.


*edit*

If the wiki page is correct, it appears 13 have already passed legislation, and there are 15 more with legislation pending.

If that all passes, it will be 28 states who will do this. At 13 states, that is 184 electoral votes which is 68% of the 270 needed. If the others pass it as well, that should be pretty close to bypassing the EC altogether.

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

/——/ What happens if Trump wins the most popular votes? Then what?

Since Trump cant win with just his base, its moot point.
But, since empty farmland has several times the voting power of a coastal city, and we are a "one dollar. one vote" system, and his massive Russian cyber force, perhaps just his base is all thats needed.

Most voters perfer popular vote. But wont anybody think of that vacant land?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The world’s first democracy was ancient Athens, which allowed around 30,000 free adult male citizens to choose their leaders. They made up less than 15 percent of the population, but it was the most egalitarian political innovation to date.

It didn’t take long for the system to implode amid rampant corruption, an economic downturn, immigration headaches and unpopular foreign wars. (Sound familiar?) The plan of “one man, one vote” devolved into a kind of mob rule, the populace veering with wild swings of opinion. Voters overthrew leaders, exiled the unpopular, and executed generals and politicians – even Socrates himself.

As the saying goes, democracy is four wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. The Founders looked to Athens less as a political model than an object lesson in what not to do.

James Madison said that democracies are “incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

Therefore, America was set up as a republic, filled with countless checks and balances to avoid one group gaining power and using it to punish or exclude everyone they didn’t like.

The Electoral College is undemocratic? Of course. That's why it works

This push to gut our Constitution is the fruits of the Left controlling the education system and dumbing down the younger generations.

But the states with largest populations have the most EC votes!

This is just another way of Progressives letting us know that they hate America

 

[norwegen]

The Electoral College was ingenious, my only disappointment in it is the bastardization of the process introduced by political parties which I see as a threat. A political party in order to gain majority of electors could run separate candidates in different sections of the country and then if successful leave it to these electors to select for office anybody of their choosing, whether they were on the November ballot or not. Or looking back, in 2016 the Democrats could have run Clinton-Sanders in some states while in others a Sanders-Clinton ticket. All the while telling the public they'd let the electors they gain on election day decide who gets which office.

One weakness I see with the electoral college is that it did not provide for enough restrictions on popular will. That states have instituted primary elections and enlisted the will of the people in helping to determine the composition of the EC was an invitation for the ignorant to have a say in who the president is.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Move to the less-populated state. Your vote will count more.

 

[progressive hunter]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Move to a nation that fits your needs then.

Never heard of a Constitutional amendment?

easier to just move

 

[Claudette]

the Electoral College is as out dated & useless as a dirty used condom full of holes.

the fear in this thread from the right is hilarious.

The only hilarious thing I see is an idiot like you who doesn't understand the EC.

Sucks to be your worthless ass.

 

[caddo kid]

the Electoral College is as out dated & useless as a dirty used condom full of holes.

the fear in this thread from the right is hilarious.

You think we would let you tranny's run the show?



.

So, instead of discussing the thread topic you go trolling, just like that fat ass orange fuck face in DC?

 

[The Original Tree]

The EC is designed to make a National Election HACK PROOF.

Yes the Forefathers thought of that clear back then. They thought about ballot stuffing, illegal immigrants committing voter fraud.

The EC is designed to elect The President by compiling The Results of 50 different State Elections rather than hold a singular National Election.

These 50 Independent Elections are broken down in to smaller 3,152 independent county elections.

The Odds of Hacking 3,152 independent elections and filing fraudulent results for all 3,152 counties using the EC method of compiling the cumulative results of 50 Independent State Elections is extremely difficult & probably impossible, though The Democrat Party tries different ways to do this every single election.

Here are the Actual Results and Breakdown of the 2016 Election.

Here's the Election Map President Trump Should Hang in the West Wing

It is well known that Trump won the vast majority of U.S. counties—2,649 to Hillary Clinton’s 503, by TIME’s count, when one tallies Alaska’s results by its 40 state districts instead of its 20 “boroughs,” since the state does not report returns by these county-like jurisdictions. But the majority of his counties have small populations, even if they are geographically larger than average. By TIME’s calculations, Trump’s territory accounts for 75.6% of the nation’s land mass, not including water. And yet, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes, since Clinton won most high-population, urban areas that take up less space but house many more people.

This my friends is why The Democrats oppose Voter ID, want Open Immigration, want to grant Illegals The Right to Vote, and they want to Abolish The Electoral College.

Doing all these things makes it far easier to rig elections and file fraudulent election returns in a National Election.

In other words, under The Democrats Fantasy Plan, The BLUE AREAS on THE ABOVE MAP determine who is elected PRESIDENT EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!

The red areas become Null and Void, and have NO SAY SO in who is elected.

Trump won 33 states.
Clinton won just 17.

Remove The Electoral College, and you have 17 states dictating policy to the irrelevant other 33.

 

[caddo kid]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

Move to a nation that fits your needs then.

Never heard of a Constitutional amendment?

You, me, maybe a few others here understand The Constitution is a 'living' document that the Founders desired to have flexibility over time.
The conservative shitheads here however HATE The Constitution, they hate the potential for lawful amendments, thus these shitheads HATE The Constitution.