i've re-considered the entire Ukraine case.. enter *your* opinions please..

[gipper]

They should not OBVIOUSLY. Which is EXAXCTLY WHY our funding comes with conditions for reforms.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Corruption concerns involving Ukraine are revived as the war with Russia drags on

Since the start of the war with Russia, the Biden administration has mostly ignored Ukraine's corruption history. Questions resurfaced about its suitability as a recipient of massive infusions of aid.

www.npr.org

Yet none of those conditions are or will be met.

 

[AntonToo]

Yet none of those conditions are or will be met.

That's just your fantasy. Ukraine has come a long way.

 

[gipper]

You claim to be an American but you constantly have a bag full excuses and deflection as a response to the criticism of Putin and his bloody invasion. You constantly peddle every fucking Russian propaganda talking point.

How to explain that?

It may surprise you to learn not all Americans support a warrior state and imperialist empire.

You’ve been duped. You ignore what happened before Putin invaded, so you only know he invaded.

This war should have have never happened. All the west had to do is recognize Russia’s interests and negotiated with them. They chose war instead, but you’re blind to the truth.

 

[gipper]

That's just your fantasy. Ukraine has come a long way.

Fuck Ukraine. It means nothing to me and what happens there is none of the USG’s business…if only logic prevailed.

 

[AntonToo]

It may surprise you to learn not all Americans support a warrior state and imperialist empire.

Yep, I point out you post like a shill for Kremlin, you respond with something about America.

Constant deflection

 

[AntonToo]

Fuck Ukraine. It means nothing to me

That's fine, you can go fuck yourself

 

[gipper]

That's fine, you can go fuck yourself

Same to you Uke.

 

[gipper]

Yep, I point out you post like a shill for Kremlin, you respond with something about America.

Constant deflection

If only you understood English.

 

[georgephillip]

Do you fools have anything beside deflection and false equivalences?

Which country has killed, maimed, and displaced millions of innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet from its homeland since 1945?

 

[gipper]

Which country has killed, maimed, and displaced millions of innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet from its homeland since 1945?

He thinks the answer is Russia. Lmfao.

 

[alexa]

It may surprise you to learn not all Americans support a warrior state and imperialist empire.

You’ve been duped. You ignore what happened before Putin invaded, so you only know he invaded.

This war should have have never happened. All the west had to do is recognize Russia’s interests and negotiated with them. They chose war instead, but you’re blind to the truth.

That does seem to be the situation.

 

[AntonToo]

Which country has killed, maimed, and displaced millions of innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet from its homeland since 1945?

What's your argument?

America is supposedly bad, therefore Russia's bloody invasion into Ukraine and annexing their lands is fine?

It's a stupid, incoherent argument.

 

[ESay]

?

What exactly can't you get?

 

[gipper]

What exactly can't you get?

I can’t get how you can minimize the Nazi influence in your native land.

 

[ESay]

I can’t get how you can minimize the Nazi influence in your native land.

'Can't get' seems to be your usual state of the mind.

 

[Ringo]

08.29.22
Today, Vladimir Zelensky killed many Ukrainians. He had a good day. His owners will be pleased, because he clearly and without any stupid reservations fulfills their order — to fight to the last Ukrainian. And today he got close enough to the goal, throwing his soldiers into a "counteroffensive" on the bare Novorossiysk steppe

Zelensky deliberately threw them into the meat grinder. Under the cover of a small amount of equipment, in an area where it is impossible to hide from direct artillery and air strikes.

And we expect the result — a large number of Ukrainian militants were left lying in the sun in the steppe. And their comrades-in-arms did not even begin to take the bodies of the dead.

Although, this senseless attempt at a "counteroffensive" can be explained in another way. It is quite possible that its meaning is an attempt to aggravate the situation in the south in order to disrupt the IAEA mission going to the NPP. This is also indicated by the completely brazen shelling of the station itself, which is becoming more and more targeted and fierce. Today, Ukrainians were deliberately hitting the nuclear fuel storage. This fuel itself is relatively safe, but if it gets into it, there will still be some kind of radiation release, and even a slight increase in the natural radiation background in the area of the Zaporozhye NPP will cause a huge worldwide hysteria now.

Or maybe the "counteroffensive" was originally planned as a strike on the information front, and the operation on the ground was only some cover for a large-scale offensive on social networks. But even in this case, the Ukrainian soldiers were simply thrown to the slaughter for the sake of an ephemeral goal — so that Zelensky's owners would see how he was trying there.

And Zelensky himself, under this pretext, will beg even more money and weapons from the owners.

But it seems that the owners are also not fools and perfectly understand where everything is going. And they supply just enough weapons so that the APU can support the pants, and money so that Ukrainians do not start starving before their time. They are just artificially prolonging the war, trying to exhaust Russia as much as possible. And Ukraine in this design is the same black sheep, with which at least a shred of wool.

But whatever the reasons, Zelensky committed another crime today — mass murder. The mad maniac made an abundant sacrifice to his masters. And Ukrainians will simply be told on TV how everything is going well and well, and street battles will soon begin in Sevastopol itself.

The fools believe it. And the fools, whose husbands, sons and brothers were killed by Vladimir Zelensky today. And it's quite possible that they won't even see their bodies.

 

[georgephillip]

Again you acknowledge that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is indefensible by making false accusation against the US

Quote a "false accusation" I've posted against the US.

Victims of US military aggression

 

[gipper]

Quote a "false accusation" I've posted against the US.

Victims of US military aggression

Yes we have a horrendous history of war crimes and mass murder, yet many Americans know nothing of this.

The power of corporate media and government schooling to deceive shouldn’t be discounted.

 

[georgephillip]

This memorandum was signed in 1994 when Russia was trying to join the civilized world, but all that changed once Putin came to power and now no treaties, agreements, understandings or pledges made by Russia

When Putin came to power he was not anti-Europe or anti-US; he even saw a potential for Russia to join NATO as an equal partner,

What he got in return was 30 years of US arrogance and bullying in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and many more examples thousands of miles from the US homeland.

It has been a bipartisan unipolar moment which has now thankfully passed.

Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia

 

[toomuchtime_]

"No matter what my German voters think.” Nice! Democracy rules!

If only you were capable of telling the truth once in a while.

The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

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