Joe B updated Democratic Field Rating (Progressives only, please)

[imawhosure]

Basically any liberal who thinks Obama was a good President is no liberal. Just ignorant and easily duped.
It is hilarious to hear someone like JoeB talk about Reaganomics and trickle down theory... and not realize that Obama was the greatest trickle down President in America history. The wealth gap grew at a faster rate than at any other time. The very people who caused the collapse were rewarded with magnificent gains thanks to Obama. Millions lost their homes, while the investment banks that owned the mortgages made $billions in profits at the same time. Record profits.
So it is difficult to take JoeB seriously.

Here's the thing. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM is leading Trump in the polls. Why do you think that is if things are so wonderful?

For starters, I don't believe the polls.

It is possible the polls are correct. If so, it is likely due to the gullibility of American people. They mindlessly believe what they read on the front page of some liberal rag as they walk by or the blip they hear on the nightly MSM news. People who truly delve into the state of the economy, the job market, wages, etc. know the truth. The problem is, this is a very small percentage of the population. Most are too concerned with whatever is trending on Twitter. A dumbed down electorate is a huge advantage for the left and the MSM continues to work towards that goal.

Gentlemen, pahleeze!

I am going to leave this thread alone after this post, because I respect Joes' request. But what I would like to point out to you is---------------->

1, most are national.

2. We have the leading 2 candidates for the Democratic nominee on polar opposite stances as far as personality and income. What is the probability that either of these candidates can carry even 75% of the others votes in a general election?

2 A. The consensus is that Trump is soooooooooooo hated, that yes, they can carry the 75% threshold and above of each others people in the general; but what if BEFORE the general, it was to come out that the whole narrative was propaganda, and someone(s) on high were perp walked out in handcuffs? Ya think they could carry 75% of each others votes then?

So the BILLION dollar question is------------> are Trump and the GOP playing you with this conspiracy, cause if they are, the Left has a very, very, decent chance of winning.

But if they aren't playing all of us, and someone(s) takes the perp walk, the DNC is going to collapse INSTANTLY! It won't even be a race, and the down ballot races will be WORSE for the Left.

We are going to find out! And trust me when I tell you---------> something is going on, because if I was the opposing party and had a lead like they tell you they do, I sure as hell wouldn't want to piss people off, because theoretically...…….if I keep status quo, I have already won!

 

[debbiedowner]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

But if he wins the nomination are Bernie follower's going to just sit out again and not vote? All these running should drum the message into their respective follower's that regardless who wins the nomination vote Trump out.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

There is one irrefutable evidence at how wrong the left is today.... and this is it.... they wanted this woman to be President:

 

[Bush92]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

https://www.socialistpartyusa.net
Here. Read your parties platform then choose from one of the "wolves in sheep clothing" that are running as "Democrats."

 

[22lcidw]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

It does not matter who is the nominee. They all will move left if not there already and lie.

 

[JGalt]

Steve Bannon on FOX News just now stated what we all know already: That Bloomberg is staging a hostile takeover of the Democrat Party, and will enlist Hillary as a running mate.

Bernie will most likely be given the shaft again, so hold your noses and vote, you Democrats.

 

[Coyote]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Good analysis.

I don't want someone too far to the left, I want someone closer to the center who can work in a bipartisan fashion. I also want someone with strong environmental creds, someone willing to tackle comprehensive immigration reform with both parties....and yes, Bernie's age is not a good factor too.

 

[Coyote]

Steve Bannon on FOX News just now stated what we all know already: That Bloomberg is staging a hostile takeover of the Democrat Party, and will enlist Hillary as a running mate.

Bernie will most likely be given the shaft again, so hold your noses and vote, you Democrats.

Hillary isn't going to run. Why would you believe Bannon?

 

[Coyote]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

When he is not slamming black kids against walls...

He is going to have to overcome some of his past statements - not sure he can. But - his tough on crime stuff would probably appeal to conservatives disenchanted with Trump.

 

[Bush92]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Good analysis.

I don't want someone too far to the left, I want someone closer to the center who can work in a bipartisan fashion. I also want someone with strong environmental creds, someone willing to tackle comprehensive immigration reform with both parties....and yes, Bernie's age is not a good factor too.

Center...Democratic Party...OMG

 

[gipper]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

Bloomberg ran NYC for a dozen years. He has experience with politics and experience with Trump

If Little Mike we’re running as an R, you would condemn him as a racist for his stop and frisk policy. Since he’s a D, all good.

Do you have any crediblity?

 

[Crepitus]

They are all communists.

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He doesn't actually know what that word means. He just heard the big kids say it and wants to sound grown up.

 

[gipper]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

When he is not slamming black kids against walls...

He is going to have to overcome some of his past statements - not sure he can. But - his tough on crime stuff would probably appeal to conservatives disenchanted with Trump.

His mistake was apologizing for it. Plus his gun confiscation plans should immediately disqualify him with all Americans.

 

[JGalt]

Steve Bannon on FOX News just now stated what we all know already: That Bloomberg is staging a hostile takeover of the Democrat Party, and will enlist Hillary as a running mate.

Bernie will most likely be given the shaft again, so hold your noses and vote, you Democrats.

Hillary isn't going to run. Why would you believe Bannon?

Are you privy to some information everyone else isn't? The news is all over every network: Bloomberg is considering Hillary as his running mate.

Has she announced that she's declining?

 

[Crepitus]

I like Sanders. He would be my first choice, but I think he's too far too fast for most folks.

There's also the simple fact that the nation may not survive 4 more years of a spoiled child as president. As it is it will take decades to undo all the damage he's done, rebuild the experience and institutional knowledge he has thrown out, and deprogram all his rabid followers..

Mayor Pete has a similar issue. The nation just isn't ready for a gay president.

Styer isn't really going anywhere fast.

Warren isn't going anywhere fast.

Klobuchar does seem to be angling for a VP spot.

That leaves Bloomberg, who really does seem to have the best chance right now. Both more money and brains that tRump, all he lacks is the legions of brain-dead followers. But I don't think he's a zombie king kinda guy. He seems to atract folks with a higher IQ than the average tRumpling.

I'm gonna hafta say he's the favorite, at the moment at least.

 

[JoeB131]

Your problem Joe is you elected a guy who ran the government as a fascist dystopia, considered it progress, and now that a guy is undoing all of that against your will, you consider his success fascism even as your party still practices it and just made a circus of it just last month.

yes, we know the scary black man made you wet yourself.

 

[toobfreak]

Your problem Joe is you elected a guy who ran the government as a fascist dystopia, considered it progress, and now that a guy is undoing all of that against your will, you consider his success fascism even as your party still practices it and just made a circus of it just last month.

yes, we know the scary black man made you wet yourself.

Ahh, no. I just sat back and laughed for 8 years as he did the exact opposite of everything he claimed as you defended him calling any criticism of him racist, knowing that payback would be a bitch.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey Joe, what do you think of the following statement made by Caitlin Johnstone.

“The problem with threatening the DNC with a Trump re-election if they install a right-wing candidate is that Democratic Party elites don't care if Trump gets re-elected; he supports all their favorite agendas and they keep their jobs regardless. It's not a real threat to them.”

I think it depends on what you think the real threat of Trump is.

The problem of Trump is not so much his policies, they all end up closer to the center, even Trump.

It's his disregard for the rule of law and democratic institutions... That's why he needs to go. Which is why I would be equally comfortable voting for Sanders or Bloomberg, who are on the two edges of your extreme.

Personally, I also think Bloomberg would probably be better at running the country, as he has a long history of working with diverse groups to get things done. Sanders, on the other hand, as Hillary said, has been in Congress for 40 years and has no friends there.

 

[Crepitus]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

But if he wins the nomination are Bernie follower's going to just sit out again and not vote? All these running should drum the message into their respective follower's that regardless who wins the nomination vote Trump out.

Bernie is making that point at all his rallies.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

When he is not slamming black kids against walls...

He is going to have to overcome some of his past statements - not sure he can. But - his tough on crime stuff would probably appeal to conservatives disenchanted with Trump.

Conservatives disenchanted with Trump??
Like...all 5 or 6 of them?
It's like I said the day he won. Trump didn't win, the Democrats lost.. he could have been almost anybody. (Obviously)
With Trump you know what you get, an egotistical, bombastic, cringe-worthy statement maker - but actually not doing that bad of a job.
Or which insane nut on the left.
That is the choice

2016 - Candidate (A) or a corrupt elitist example of everything that is wrong with Washington.
2020 - Trump or some nut.