Kansas to ban use of welfare on tattoos, cruises, psychics

[Roadrunner]

All US money is imaginary. Can print however much they want because it isn't backed by gold any more. So objecting to spending because you think it's a lot doesn't make any sense because the money has only as much value as we say it does, but no real vlaue - it's just fancy paper.

US is over $18 trillion in debt. Even if we were only $1 trillion in debt we could never pay it off without reducing spending to zero for some years. So when ever a politician talks about reducing spending, they're taking advantage of stupid people who think that's going to do something real. It isn't. Can spend as much as they want since it seems they know they'll default on the national debt eventually.

Excuse me but you really should deal with reality.
Here is reality:
THE net worth of American households is now 20 percent higher than it was before it began to decline in 2007, the Federal Reserve reported this week. It said the households together were worth $81.5 trillion at the end of the second quarter, higher than ever and up 10 percent from a year earlier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/b...as-rebounded-since-financial-crisis.html?_r=0
Total Assets of ALL households: $95.4 trillion...
Total DEBTS of all households: $14.0 trillion...
NET WORTH: $81.5 trillion.
Want to pay off the national debt?:
A) STOP Spending more then tax revenue coming in.
B) Value added Tax then 10% on ALL purchases going exclusively pay off $18 trillion..
C) Tax of 10% on $8.76 trillion is $876 billion of personal consumption of Gross Domestic Product.
Table One from this source: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/11/art2full.pdf

In summary : NO MORE DEBT Added to the $18 trillion by spending ONLY what comes in and no further tax increases!
$876 billion pays off $18 trillion debt in 20 years. Problem solved.

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A rising tide lifts all boats.

The tide lifting the 1% is like unto the tides in the Bay of Fundy.

 

[OnePercenter]

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You don't fix cultural issues by slapping a law on them.

Somehow we still haven't figured that one out.

Your eliminate the source of the issue.

If you want to end ALL welfare:

-Base Federal tax for corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2013 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-offs/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with 400 employees or less, employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2015 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

I really wish we could wave a wand just do all this, for a solid week. I'd like to arrange to be out of the country for that week, but I'd be checking the headlines. It would be a tremendous lesson for voters.

What's your point?

 

[Moonglow]

That's the quote that discredits the idea of welfare system per se. Everybody knows there are professional welfare receivers who do not work and do not intend to do so. Brand new tattoo and a bottle of cheep beer is everything this people really care about.

Welfare was introduced to provide temporary help to people who for some reasons cannot sustain themselves. You cannot sit at home and expect you are getting everything you want. Sorry, you are in the US, it doesn't work that way in this country.

NO, the way it works in this country is that 40% of households using food stamps have at least one member who has a job, just not a job that puts food on the table.

And big corporations that make BILLIONS have guidence on their websites telling their employees how to apply for Food Stamps, Medicaid and Section 8 Housing instead of paying their employees a fair wage.

None of that matters.

Even one welfare fraud is stealing from the truly needy.

If the system was tightened up, and the able bodied abusers kicked off, think of what we could do for the truly needy.

But I realize that means nothing to scum like you, to your ilk, the entitlement system does not exist to help anyone, it exists to bribe voters.

You don't fool anyone, you know.

Imagine what we could do if we could get conservatives to have that sort of zero tolerance attitude for financial industry fraud, a more costly problem by any measure, but no, regulations are evil.

obfuscation...Dismissed.
Stay on point or be silent.

Republicans would much rather rant about some poor person who bought a candy bar with food stamps than look at a banker who took thousands in tax breaks and scammed his money from people who earn an honest living. You like socialism for the wealthy but would never dream of scrutinizing them as harshly as a food stamp recipient, why the double standard?

Bankers as not as weak and vulnerable as a poor person...plus those bankers are working, since the dumb-asses that complain fail to notice that 70% of those on SNAP are working,,,but if these people want to call US soldiers fuckin' bums and lazy dickheads that set on their asses all day watching TV addicted...What can one do???

 

[OnePercenter]

Bullshit....55% of the federal budget is social spending.

Such as roadways?

 

[Roadrunner]

I have to side with the right wingers on this one. Government assistance should only be allowed for the basics necessities: Food, shelter, clothing, healthcare and the like.

Only good wholesome foods should be allowed.

There is no excuse for SNAP money being spent on prepared food in a convenience store,, but you see WE TAKE SNAP at most every dive that sells food to go.

SNAP should also require educational classes in how to prepared good food.

Part of the problem is that lots of people have no idea how to cook in the first place.

 

[Roadrunner]

None of that matters.

Even one welfare fraud is stealing from the truly needy.

If the system was tightened up, and the able bodied abusers kicked off, think of what we could do for the truly needy.

But I realize that means nothing to scum like you, to your ilk, the entitlement system does not exist to help anyone, it exists to bribe voters.

You don't fool anyone, you know.

Here's the thing about that. When you kick the "abusers" off, are you going to find each and every one of them a renumerative job? Because we can't find jobs for the people who want to work right now, and as I point out, some jobs pay so little that they have to turn to the government for help.

You see, the real problem is, when you cheat those who are willing to work, you really do create a culture where politicians can bribe them.

Up your skills set, and you will have a job.

Worked for me all my life.

Go peddle your excuses for the shiftless somewhere else.

 

[Conservative65]

"We're trying to make sure those benefits are used the way they were intended," O'Donnell, vice chair of the state senate's standing committee on public health and welfare, said. "This is about prosperity. This is about having a great life."

Kansas to ban use of welfare on tattoos cruises psychics - CNN.com

That's the quote that discredits the idea of welfare system per se. Everybody knows there are professional welfare receivers who do not work and do not intend to do so. Brand new tattoo and a bottle of cheep beer is everything this people really care about.

Welfare was introduced to provide temporary help to people who for some reasons cannot sustain themselves. You cannot sit at home and expect you are getting everything you want. Sorry, you are in the US, it doesn't work that way in this country.

God!! What is wrong with you welfare haters that can't seem to fathom that Foods Stamps is a program that is no longer used...It is now SNAP with an EBT card,,,,,in other words,,,there is no such thing as food stamps.....

It's still referred to as food stamps by those of us who are old enough to remember when it did involve actual stamps.

While it may be called a different name and paper stamps are no longer used, it's the same thing. One person earns, another gets a portion of what was taken handed to them. It matters not whether portion handed to someone is on a piece of paper or an card.

I can take chicken shit, put some spices/flavoring on it and call it chicken salad. It's still chicken shit.

 

[Conservative65]

I have to side with the right wingers on this one. Government assistance should only be allowed for the basics necessities: Food, shelter, clothing, healthcare and the like.

Only good wholesome foods should be allowed.

There is no excuse for SNAP money being spent on prepared food in a convenience store,, but you see WE TAKE SNAP at most every dive that sells food to go.

SNAP should also require educational classes in how to prepared good food.

Part of the problem is that lots of people have no idea how to cook in the first place.

Lots of people don't know how to do much but demand someone else support them.

I agree about the classes. If the taxes I have to pay so they can eat are mandator, so should the classes for those who have it handed to them.

 

[Roadrunner]

I'm not surprised they turn to government. That's what leeches do. However, the problem is the reason they don't make enough to survive is because they offer low level skills not worth much. If the only thing you're qualified to do is sweep floor, empty trash, and scrub toilets, don't expect to be paid much. If you're getting paid what those skills are worth, don't blame the payer but yourself for having low level skills.

well, okay. What are those skills worth. Why not set a salary for those things by popular vote instead of what a business owner thinks he can get away with?

Frankly, i know college educated people who have ended up doing menial labor when we make the mistake of putting the Bush family in charge.

You see, this is where you are really, really fucking stupid. If the bottom 40% only gets 1% of the wealth, they have no incentive to keep Capitalism, do they?

They don't ask for help. They demand it. It's easy to tell. Interesting that I've seen, more than one time, those you say care about their kids put back food that could go for their kids because the EBT card wasn't enough only to buy beer with cash money.

Yes, I know, and then there was the imaginary welfare queen who bought steak with her food stamps. And stuff.

I've seen rich people buy Dressage Horses right after laying off a dozen employees and cutting health benefits to their employees. I mean, if you really want to play morality police with the poor, let's play morality police with the rich, too.

Salary by popular vote?

Damn, you are insane.

Nothing pisses idiots like you off more than someone spending their own money as they please.

How come you don't start a business, and let the help tell you how much you have to pay them?

 

[Roadrunner]

I have to side with the right wingers on this one. Government assistance should only be allowed for the basics necessities: Food, shelter, clothing, healthcare and the like.

Only good wholesome foods should be allowed.

There is no excuse for SNAP money being spent on prepared food in a convenience store,, but you see WE TAKE SNAP at most every dive that sells food to go.

SNAP should also require educational classes in how to prepared good food.

Part of the problem is that lots of people have no idea how to cook in the first place.

Lots of people don't know how to do much but demand someone else support them.

I agree about the classes. If the taxes I have to pay so they can eat are mandator, so should the classes for those who have it handed to them.

I am sure a lot of people would appreciate a class in how to properly plan a menu and prepare a meal.

Beats the Hell out of Banquet TV dinners.

 

[Conservative65]

I'm not surprised they turn to government. That's what leeches do. However, the problem is the reason they don't make enough to survive is because they offer low level skills not worth much. If the only thing you're qualified to do is sweep floor, empty trash, and scrub toilets, don't expect to be paid much. If you're getting paid what those skills are worth, don't blame the payer but yourself for having low level skills.

well, okay. What are those skills worth?

They're worth what people are willing to pay for them

Why not set a salary for those things by popular vote instead of what a business owner thinks he can get away with?

That's what we do. You get one vote per dollar.

Apparently Joe thinks the skills someone else is paying for are worth what Joe says the person paying should pay.

What a fool he is to think that voters should get to decide how much someone else pays an employee. We have that problem now in a different way. Those who pay zero income taxes get to vote for those who continue to allow them to do so and who will raise taxes on someone else.

 

[Conservative65]

I'm not surprised they turn to government. That's what leeches do. However, the problem is the reason they don't make enough to survive is because they offer low level skills not worth much. If the only thing you're qualified to do is sweep floor, empty trash, and scrub toilets, don't expect to be paid much. If you're getting paid what those skills are worth, don't blame the payer but yourself for having low level skills.

well, okay. What are those skills worth. Why not set a salary for those things by popular vote instead of what a business owner thinks he can get away with?

Frankly, i know college educated people who have ended up doing menial labor when we make the mistake of putting the Bush family in charge.

You see, this is where you are really, really fucking stupid. If the bottom 40% only gets 1% of the wealth, they have no incentive to keep Capitalism, do they?

They don't ask for help. They demand it. It's easy to tell. Interesting that I've seen, more than one time, those you say care about their kids put back food that could go for their kids because the EBT card wasn't enough only to buy beer with cash money.

Yes, I know, and then there was the imaginary welfare queen who bought steak with her food stamps. And stuff.

I've seen rich people buy Dressage Horses right after laying off a dozen employees and cutting health benefits to their employees. I mean, if you really want to play morality police with the poor, let's play morality police with the rich, too.

Salary by popular vote?

Damn, you are insane.

Nothing pisses idiots like you off more than someone spending their own money as they please.

How come you don't start a business, and let the help tell you how much you have to pay them?

Bet you Joe says he wouldn't need voters telling him because he'd pay a living wage.

 

[Moonglow]

"We're trying to make sure those benefits are used the way they were intended," O'Donnell, vice chair of the state senate's standing committee on public health and welfare, said. "This is about prosperity. This is about having a great life."

Kansas to ban use of welfare on tattoos cruises psychics - CNN.com

That's the quote that discredits the idea of welfare system per se. Everybody knows there are professional welfare receivers who do not work and do not intend to do so. Brand new tattoo and a bottle of cheep beer is everything this people really care about.

Welfare was introduced to provide temporary help to people who for some reasons cannot sustain themselves. You cannot sit at home and expect you are getting everything you want. Sorry, you are in the US, it doesn't work that way in this country.

God!! What is wrong with you welfare haters that can't seem to fathom that Foods Stamps is a program that is no longer used...It is now SNAP with an EBT card,,,,,in other words,,,there is no such thing as food stamps.....

It's still referred to as food stamps by those of us who are old enough to remember when it did involve actual stamps.

While it may be called a different name and paper stamps are no longer used, it's the same thing. One person earns, another gets a portion of what was taken handed to them. It matters not whether portion handed to someone is on a piece of paper or an card.

I can take chicken shit, put some spices/flavoring on it and call it chicken salad. It's still chicken shit.

It was not stamps that were used but paper money looking bills in a booklet and you tore out the pages representing the denomination needed to pay....
I'd stay away from that chickens shit you eat...

 

[Roadrunner]

Nice diversion. I hope that no one is stupid enough to make the mistake of trying to steal from me and get caught doing it. You want to chastise me for defending what is mine yet seem to have no problem with someone stealing what isn't theirs.

I would have no problem with people stealing from you because you are a kind of a selfish prick and you don't see anything wrong with that. YOu completely lack any human compassion or decency. The only thing funnier than a poor person stealing from you is to watch you get cheated by a rich person who has more power and money.

So wanting to keep what I've earned is selfish but someone else stealing it isn't? Interesting.

I don't have compassion for someone who, because they have less than me, thinks I owe something to them. Someone like that doesn't deserve decency.

Funny how someone that says he support criminal activity talks about a lack of decency. Why don't you be the one that tries to steal from me.

You see why boards like this have ignore features.

Idiots like JoeB.

Never did a thing for anybody, expects government to do it.

 

[Conservative65]

I have to side with the right wingers on this one. Government assistance should only be allowed for the basics necessities: Food, shelter, clothing, healthcare and the like.

Only good wholesome foods should be allowed.

There is no excuse for SNAP money being spent on prepared food in a convenience store,, but you see WE TAKE SNAP at most every dive that sells food to go.

SNAP should also require educational classes in how to prepared good food.

Part of the problem is that lots of people have no idea how to cook in the first place.

Lots of people don't know how to do much but demand someone else support them.

I agree about the classes. If the taxes I have to pay so they can eat are mandator, so should the classes for those who have it handed to them.

I am sure a lot of people would appreciate a class in how to properly plan a menu and prepare a meal.

Beats the Hell out of Banquet TV dinners.

Those that use the system the way it was designed in a temporary fashion because they truly need it. For those who use the system as a way to not have to work, I doubt it. Why would they take the time and appreciate having to make an effort to learn something. If they cared at all, they'd take the time to get a job so the rest of us wouldn't have to support them.

 

[Roadrunner]

I'm not surprised they turn to government. That's what leeches do. However, the problem is the reason they don't make enough to survive is because they offer low level skills not worth much. If the only thing you're qualified to do is sweep floor, empty trash, and scrub toilets, don't expect to be paid much. If you're getting paid what those skills are worth, don't blame the payer but yourself for having low level skills.

well, okay. What are those skills worth. Why not set a salary for those things by popular vote instead of what a business owner thinks he can get away with?

Frankly, i know college educated people who have ended up doing menial labor when we make the mistake of putting the Bush family in charge.

You see, this is where you are really, really fucking stupid. If the bottom 40% only gets 1% of the wealth, they have no incentive to keep Capitalism, do they?

They don't ask for help. They demand it. It's easy to tell. Interesting that I've seen, more than one time, those you say care about their kids put back food that could go for their kids because the EBT card wasn't enough only to buy beer with cash money.

Yes, I know, and then there was the imaginary welfare queen who bought steak with her food stamps. And stuff.

I've seen rich people buy Dressage Horses right after laying off a dozen employees and cutting health benefits to their employees. I mean, if you really want to play morality police with the poor, let's play morality police with the rich, too.

Salary by popular vote?

Damn, you are insane.

Nothing pisses idiots like you off more than someone spending their own money as they please.

How come you don't start a business, and let the help tell you how much you have to pay them?

Bet you Joe says he wouldn't need voters telling him because he'd pay a living wage.

Why, he'd give HS dropouts $35 an hour, free childcare, free health insurance, and free transportation to and from work.

Sure he would, if he could hire anybody.

Not much work to do in his basement though.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Doesn't Kansass have any REAL issues to deal with?

 

[OnePercenter]

College grads with degrees that are not marketable or have no value to the employment marketplace.
Ya know what these people are called? Baristas at Starbucks, restaurant servers, low level button pushers. And why is this? Because instead of doing some reseqarch before choosing a major, they decided to study what THEY wanted.
There are few useful degrees. And so many that gain no interest from employers at all.
I watched a round table discussion of 5 CEO's. They all agreed that the best degrees are in business, engineering, computer science, education and health care.
Graduates with those degrees are those getting hired at the highest pay rates.

Lumping professional degrees (Doctor, Engineer, IT) with general degrees (business) doesn't help your point.

Wouldn't a Barista with a degree make a move into management?

 

[Conservative65]

"We're trying to make sure those benefits are used the way they were intended," O'Donnell, vice chair of the state senate's standing committee on public health and welfare, said. "This is about prosperity. This is about having a great life."

Kansas to ban use of welfare on tattoos cruises psychics - CNN.com

That's the quote that discredits the idea of welfare system per se. Everybody knows there are professional welfare receivers who do not work and do not intend to do so. Brand new tattoo and a bottle of cheep beer is everything this people really care about.

Welfare was introduced to provide temporary help to people who for some reasons cannot sustain themselves. You cannot sit at home and expect you are getting everything you want. Sorry, you are in the US, it doesn't work that way in this country.

God!! What is wrong with you welfare haters that can't seem to fathom that Foods Stamps is a program that is no longer used...It is now SNAP with an EBT card,,,,,in other words,,,there is no such thing as food stamps.....

It's still referred to as food stamps by those of us who are old enough to remember when it did involve actual stamps.

While it may be called a different name and paper stamps are no longer used, it's the same thing. One person earns, another gets a portion of what was taken handed to them. It matters not whether portion handed to someone is on a piece of paper or an card.

I can take chicken shit, put some spices/flavoring on it and call it chicken salad. It's still chicken shit.

It was not stamps that were used but paper money looking bills in a booklet and you tore out the pages representing the denomination needed to pay....
I'd stay away from that chickens shit you eat...

Perhaps I should have put "stamps" in quotes. However, I did say they were paper just used the word stamps to denote that's what the program was called. I don't see how using stamps was wrong since a stamp you put on a letter is a piece of paper you tear out of a roll or booklet.

I don't eat it and I bet those thinking the old food stamps program is different because it's now called SNAP wouldn't either despite it being called chicken salad instead of chicken shit.

 

[OnePercenter]

Doesn't Kansass have any REAL issues to deal with?

As long as the rich stay rich, red States have no real issues.