Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[Wry Catcher]

dipshit....my friend told me a story...he was in a tree stand watching a group of turkey's march toward him through the brush....the Tom Turkey, the leader, paused right before the clearing........the Tom looked up, right at my friend, right at him......gave a warbling cry and they all took off before he could shoot....it was a very funny story and showed just how cagey wild turkeys are...

How much of a chance did your factory turkey have to escape?

It seems quite obvious the turkey was smarter than the guy in hiding, a true bird brain, much like 2aguy.

Hiding in a tree for several hours waiting for an innocent defenseless animal to walk by? Gee, how 'Sporting.' And what brainiacs they are, huh? They need to get a life. They need to find a real hobby.

Do you know which tree to sit in? I DO. Because there is so much more to hunting than taking the shot.

It's not 'Sporting.' The animal has no chance. You're doing nothing but waiting. There's nothing sporting about that. Eventually an animal is gonna cross your path.

Shit, some of you tards even use attractants like salt blocks and deer sprays. Attracting a poor hungry animal to you so you can brutally murder it? Yeah, real challenging. Weird little cowards.

Well if you want more sporting, perhaps they could use bow and arrows, you know, like that dentist that shot that lion? Of course, animals survive arrows more than bullets, then it lives as long as it can in pain and suffering. But what the hell, at least it's more sporting for you, right?

Straw Man ^^^

 

[Wry Catcher]

Are you claiming the NRA and the gun lobby had no impact on the issue in Congress?

More incredibly, are you claiming members of Congress actual read the study?

Nobody even needed to read the study. FBI statistics show that violent crime (and gun crime in particular) has been on the decline since the mid 90's. Now nobody can say why, but I see a direct relationship between more armed citizens and lower crime. Most if not all of our mass shootings take place in gun-free zones. This is not to mention the fact that many of the cities that have the most violent gun crimes are places that are very restrictive on gun ownership by law abiding citizens.

There is an old saying: If it's not broke, don't fix it. We are on the right path to lowering violent and gun crime.

"F.B.I. confirms Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings Since 2000"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html?_r=0

"There were, on average, 16.4 such shootings a year from 2007 to 2013, compared with an average of 6.4 shootings annually from 2000 to 2006. In the past 13 years, 486 people have been killed in such shootings, with 366 of the deaths in the past seven years. In all, the study looked at 160 shootings since 2000. (Shootings tied to domestic violence and gangs were not included.)"

Here's a list of school shootings:

Columbine to Newtown: A tragic list of school shootings since 1999

Sorry, they admitted they got that wrong...they ginned up the numbers with shootings and other things that aren't mass shootings....nice try though......

Of course, guys like you have to lie...the truth, and reality show you are wrong about just about everything, especially guns....

Really? Oh sob, I have sinned. Please forgive me oh great and wonderful know-it-all.

Feel better? Now F off asshole, you've proven to be the male equivalent of Stephanie.

I am not a know it all...I have to find sources....

You, however, are a dumbshit...because you believe the crap the anti gun extremists spew....and you don't question it.....don't hate me, hate the people who lie to you and then make you a liar when you post their crap...

Don't be mad because I showed your link to be crap, and the FBI under obama fudging numbers, and I used multiple sources to do it....

Yes...you are angry, because you are dumb to use anti gun extremist stats.....get over it and learn from it dipshit.

Thanks once again for you opinion (see, I don't hate you, I patronize you).

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It seems quite obvious the turkey was smarter than the guy in hiding, a true bird brain, much like 2aguy.

Hiding in a tree for several hours waiting for an innocent defenseless animal to walk by? Gee, how 'Sporting.' And what brainiacs they are, huh? They need to get a life. They need to find a real hobby.

Do you know which tree to sit in? I DO. Because there is so much more to hunting than taking the shot.

It's not 'Sporting.' The animal has no chance. You're doing nothing but waiting. There's nothing sporting about that. Eventually an animal is gonna cross your path.

Shit, some of you tards even use attractants like salt blocks and deer sprays. Attracting a poor hungry animal to you so you can brutally murder it? Yeah, real challenging. Weird little cowards.

Well if you want more sporting, perhaps they could use bow and arrows, you know, like that dentist that shot that lion? Of course, animals survive arrows more than bullets, then it lives as long as it can in pain and suffering. But what the hell, at least it's more sporting for you, right?

Straw Man ^^^

Yes, it is a straw man to say your only concern is the animal doesn't stand a chance. That's not why he (she) hates hunters and hunting. It has nothing to do with how much of a sport it is or isn't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Do you know which tree to sit in? I DO. Because there is so much more to hunting than taking the shot.

It's not 'Sporting.' The animal has no chance. You're doing nothing but waiting. There's nothing sporting about that. Eventually an animal is gonna cross your path.

Shit, some of you tards even use attractants like salt blocks and deer sprays. Attracting a poor hungry animal to you so you can brutally murder it? Yeah, real challenging. Weird little cowards.

Well if you want more sporting, perhaps they could use bow and arrows, you know, like that dentist that shot that lion? Of course, animals survive arrows more than bullets, then it lives as long as it can in pain and suffering. But what the hell, at least it's more sporting for you, right?

Enjoy nature and God's beautiful animals. You don't have to hide in that tree waiting to blow a deer's spine apart. You have options. It's a luxury you can take full advantage of.

Correct, there are options. As others have pointed out here, instead of killing your own meat, you can pay others to kill it for you that way you need not see how your meal was processed.

I don't have the heart to kill an animal, but that doesn't mean I don't want anybody to. God made animals for us to eat, but I doubt you could ever reconcile that. At least I can be honest about it as I sit here with my Big Mac typing on this keyboard.

As pointed out earlier, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They kill & maim just for fun.

Then I would have to say you don't know many hunters.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Flaming faggots like you dancing in the streets give all gays a bad name

Hey, most gay people i've met don't enjoy killing & maiming innocent animals just for fun. So that puts them a cut above camo-wearing jackholes in my book.

Or the gay guy who went to the Family Research Council with the sack of Chic F let sandwhiches and the gun with the intent on killing as many people as possible....only stopped by the security guard at the door, who he shot in the shoulder...right?

None of that justifies getting a hard-on over blowing a deer's spine apart. Put the camo away for good. Enjoy observing nature and God's beautiful animals.

Getting a hard on, now we're in your department. You don't need to do it so publicly you know

If you get a hard-on over blowing a deer's spine apart, you're a twisted fuck. It is what it is.

just because you dont know beans about humanly shooting an animal

doesnt mean everyone is like that

 

[jon_berzerk]

If I'm correct, and if by licensing we can prevent gun violence, .

That's the point. There is no evidence that licensing will prevent anything. One of the reasons the Brady Bill was never renewed is because all statistics pointed that it didn't do anybody any good. It didn't save lives, it didn't help police, all it really did is put more government control on law-abiding citizens.

Bullshit. It is your opinion, and by your avatar, your opinion is biased. The Brady Bill was not renewed do to the gun lobby, the threat to seated members of tossing support to those who wanted the Brady Bill to go away, the gun industry, the NRA and people like you.

Dipshit...the Brady Bill effect was study, the "Assault Weapon Ban" portion of the bill did nothing....considering that all long guns kill fewer people than knives or empty hands and "Assault Weapons" kill only a handful of people if any each year.....it was a dumb law.....

101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Hook Parents Sue Bushmaster: You Sold ‘Weapon of Choice’ for Mass Murderers

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why Gun Control Groups Have Moved Away from an Assault Weapons Ban

There is more too the story of the Brady Bill than those partisans put forth and the idiots on the right echo.

You won't realizet that any of the mass murders would have been done by pistols...that the media has created the desire for "assualt" rifles on the part of a few mass shooters...right? Even Sandy Hook, one of the links you posted, he could have killed the same people with a pistol...they were kindergarten kids....

And of course.....it was a gun free zone......

it isnt a matter of not realizing it

it is a matter of admitting it

 

[Ernie S.]

Y'all get yer Camo & Ammo at the Walmart today? Heard they was having some big ole sales. Cuz we know you just gots to kill ya some more innocent defenseless animals.

God you people are such loons. And you wonder so many Americans wanna take your guns away.

Again, you eat defenseless animals all the time, hypocrite

Stick a fork in Kaz, he's done. When someone begins to echo there own posts, and toss Red Herrings about, he has nothing more to offer than an opinion he cannot support except with the rebel yell, IT'S MY RIGHT, THE SECOND AMENDMENT SAYS SO.

How pitiful is that.

Gun Nuts are no different than Drug Addicts and Alcoholics. They'll defend and justify with vigorous irrational emotion. There's no reasoning with them. They're the very reason why so many Americans want to take the guns away. I'm a Gun Owner saying this. Gun-obsessed weirdos give all Gun Owners a bad name.

Again....60% of Americans after the shooting of the journalists by the gay, black racist said gun control is not the answer....

You too have come out of the closet to raise a Nazi Salute; be careful, the Nazi plan sent gays, gypsies and the mentally challenged to the ovens. You'd be safer saving your salute for the Liberal Party's bleeding heart brigade. They'd consider you special, I don't.

More ad hom bullshit not relevant to the post you quoted.

Look! Licensing and registration will not keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. You have as much as conceded that by your inability to prove it would. We know your bag of tricks is empty. Maybe now you should just bow out.

 

[Ernie S.]

Stick a fork in Kaz, he's done. When someone begins to echo there own posts, and toss Red Herrings about, he has nothing more to offer than an opinion he cannot support except with the rebel yell, IT'S MY RIGHT, THE SECOND AMENDMENT SAYS SO.

How pitiful is that.

Gun Nuts are no different than Drug Addicts and Alcoholics. They'll defend and justify with vigorous irrational emotion. There's no reasoning with them. They're the very reason why so many Americans want to take the guns away. I'm a Gun Owner saying this. Gun-obsessed weirdos give all Gun Owners a bad name.

Flaming faggots like you dancing in the streets give all gays a bad name

Hey, most gay people i've met don't enjoy killing & maiming innocent animals just for fun. So that puts them a cut above camo-wearing jackholes in my book.

Or the gay guy who went to the Family Research Council with the sack of Chic F let sandwhiches and the gun with the intent on killing as many people as possible....only stopped by the security guard at the door, who he shot in the shoulder...right?

None of that justifies getting a hard-on over blowing a deer's spine apart. Put the camo away for good. Enjoy observing nature and God's beautiful animals.

I like observing them close up, preferably on a plate.

 

[Ernie S.]

Do you know which tree to sit in? I DO. Because there is so much more to hunting than taking the shot.

It's not 'Sporting.' The animal has no chance. You're doing nothing but waiting. There's nothing sporting about that. Eventually an animal is gonna cross your path.

Shit, some of you tards even use attractants like salt blocks and deer sprays. Attracting a poor hungry animal to you so you can brutally murder it? Yeah, real challenging. Weird little cowards.

Well if you want more sporting, perhaps they could use bow and arrows, you know, like that dentist that shot that lion? Of course, animals survive arrows more than bullets, then it lives as long as it can in pain and suffering. But what the hell, at least it's more sporting for you, right?

Enjoy nature and God's beautiful animals. You don't have to hide in that tree waiting to blow a deer's spine apart. You have options. It's a luxury you can take full advantage of.

Correct, there are options. As others have pointed out here, instead of killing your own meat, you can pay others to kill it for you that way you need not see how your meal was processed.

I don't have the heart to kill an animal, but that doesn't mean I don't want anybody to. God made animals for us to eat, but I doubt you could ever reconcile that. At least I can be honest about it as I sit here with my Big Mac typing on this keyboard.

As pointed out earlier, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They kill & maim just for fun.

Do you need someone else to kill your cow to survive? At least hunters take responsibility, instead of facing the reality of life and death yourself.

 

[Ernie S.]

dipshit....my friend told me a story...he was in a tree stand watching a group of turkey's march toward him through the brush....the Tom Turkey, the leader, paused right before the clearing........the Tom looked up, right at my friend, right at him......gave a warbling cry and they all took off before he could shoot....it was a very funny story and showed just how cagey wild turkeys are...

How much of a chance did your factory turkey have to escape?

It seems quite obvious the turkey was smarter than the guy in hiding, a true bird brain, much like 2aguy.

Hiding in a tree for several hours waiting for an innocent defenseless animal to walk by? Gee, how 'Sporting.' And what brainiacs they are, huh? They need to get a life. They need to find a real hobby.

Once again you'll run away and hide, but once again, explain the moral superiority of someone killing a cow for you and what defense the cow has

Hunting for survival is one thing. But what you tards do, is cowardly and brutal.

But electrocuting a cow, cutting it's throat, shredding it, making it into patties and cooking it with cheese over and open flame, now that's civilized

Of course It's uncivilized to get blood on your hands.

 

[Ernie S.]

Yeah, but the flamers like you with your pink boas and nuts in a sack in high heels, you're the ones who embarrass them. You need to stop doing that

Like i said, dimwitted arrogant jerkoffs. I rest my case.

LOL, you don't even get it, simpleton

Most gay people i've met have been cool people. Very kind folks. But most of the gun-obsessed folks i've met, tended to be dimwitted and arrogant.

Sounds like you're hanging with the wrong crowd then

Nah, i know Gun Nuts very well. Sadly, i sold a whole lot of firearms to em. Most were arrogant wingnuts. Have you ever even met a gay person?

About the 90th time you mentioned that you sold guns. Irrelevant.

 

[2aguy]

Like i said, dimwitted arrogant jerkoffs. I rest my case.

LOL, you don't even get it, simpleton

Most gay people i've met have been cool people. Very kind folks. But most of the gun-obsessed folks i've met, tended to be dimwitted and arrogant.

Sounds like you're hanging with the wrong crowd then

Nah, i know Gun Nuts very well. Sadly, i sold a whole lot of firearms to em. Most were arrogant wingnuts. Have you ever even met a gay person?

About the 90th time you mentioned that you sold guns. Irrelevant.

I get it now.........he was really bad at selling guns.....a product that will sell itself to gun enthusiasts and he was such a bad sales person he was probably fired....and now, because those very people would not buy a gun from them he now calls them names out of spite....

Got it.....

 

[Ernie S.]

LOL, you don't even get it, simpleton

Most gay people i've met have been cool people. Very kind folks. But most of the gun-obsessed folks i've met, tended to be dimwitted and arrogant.

Sounds like you're hanging with the wrong crowd then

Nah, i know Gun Nuts very well. Sadly, i sold a whole lot of firearms to em. Most were arrogant wingnuts. Have you ever even met a gay person?

About the 90th time you mentioned that you sold guns. Irrelevant.

I get it now.........he was really bad at selling guns.....a product that will sell itself to gun enthusiasts and he was such a bad sales person he was probably fired....and now, because those very people would not buy a gun from them he now calls them names out of spite....

Got it.....

Kind of like JoeB131 being denied health care because of his meth addiction.

 

[kaz]

Flaming faggots like you dancing in the streets give all gays a bad name

Hey, most gay people i've met don't enjoy killing & maiming innocent animals just for fun. So that puts them a cut above camo-wearing jackholes in my book.

Or the gay guy who went to the Family Research Council with the sack of Chic F let sandwhiches and the gun with the intent on killing as many people as possible....only stopped by the security guard at the door, who he shot in the shoulder...right?

None of that justifies getting a hard-on over blowing a deer's spine apart. Put the camo away for good. Enjoy observing nature and God's beautiful animals.

Getting a hard on, now we're in your department. You don't need to do it so publicly you know

If you get a hard-on over blowing a deer's spine apart, you're a twisted fuck. It is what it is.

So your standard is that you get a "hard on" when someone wastes a cow, puts it in the shredder and serves it to you cooked over a flame? Seriously? You're right, that is sick. What is wrong with you?

 

[kaz]

Yeah, but the flamers like you with your pink boas and nuts in a sack in high heels, you're the ones who embarrass them. You need to stop doing that

Like i said, dimwitted arrogant jerkoffs. I rest my case.

LOL, you don't even get it, simpleton

Most gay people i've met have been cool people. Very kind folks. But most of the gun-obsessed folks i've met, tended to be dimwitted and arrogant.

Sounds like you're hanging with the wrong crowd then

Nah, i know Gun Nuts very well. Sadly, i sold a whole lot of firearms to em. Most were arrogant wingnuts. Have you ever even met a gay person?

It doesn't sound like you have. I think gays are people, you think they are saints with nothing but kindness and concern for their fellow man. Or is that just what you tell the guys you want to stick it into?

 

[kaz]

While spot checks piss me off, if you're sober when you roll up to a spot check, you go on your way. If not, you are arrested for DWI.
DWI is against the law because of the clear and present danger of you killing yourself or others.
I carry a weapon about 16 hours a day. I am not dangerous unless you come at me with a knife)
I have carried concealed or open for 45 years. I have killed no one.
Why further complicate my life because some gang banger in LA blew away another piece of shit over drug turf?
How will forcing me to pay for a license keep a thug in Philly from getting a gun from the guy with the pimped out chevy down on the corner?

If I'm correct, and if by licensing we can prevent gun violence, .

That's the point. There is no evidence that licensing will prevent anything. One of the reasons the Brady Bill was never renewed is because all statistics pointed that it didn't do anybody any good. It didn't save lives, it didn't help police, all it really did is put more government control on law-abiding citizens.

Bullshit. It is your opinion, and by your avatar, your opinion is biased. The Brady Bill was not renewed do to the gun lobby, the threat to seated members of tossing support to those who wanted the Brady Bill to go away, the gun industry, the NRA and people like you.

Dipshit...the Brady Bill effect was study, the "Assault Weapon Ban" portion of the bill did nothing....considering that all long guns kill fewer people than knives or empty hands and "Assault Weapons" kill only a handful of people if any each year.....it was a dumb law.....

101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Hook Parents Sue Bushmaster: You Sold ‘Weapon of Choice’ for Mass Murderers

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why Gun Control Groups Have Moved Away from an Assault Weapons Ban

There is more too the story of the Brady Bill than those partisans put forth and the idiots on the right echo.

You know what none of those do? Tell us how you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. All you're proposing is limiting our ability to defend ourselves. Criminals love these laws, it makes them a lot safer

 

[kaz]

(registering for) posse duty is a legitimate police power.

Posse comitatus is the common-law or statute law authority of a county sheriff, or other law officer, to conscript any able-bodied man to assist him in keeping the peace or to pursue and arrest a felon, similar to the concept of the "hue and cry." Originally found in English common law, it is generally obsolete; however, it survives in the United States, where it is the law enforcement equivalent of summoning the militia for military purposes.[2]

Yes, liberals do that all the time! No wait, that's pussy duty...

 

[kaz]

Nope, it's not just an opinion of mine:

Posted March 13, 2003
Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

The Brady Bill, the most important piece of federal gun control legislation in recent decades, has had no statistically discernable effect on reducing gun deaths, according to a study by Philip J. Cook, a Duke University professor of public policy, economics and sociology. "The Brady Bill seems to have been a failure," Cook told a sparsely attended lecture in Caplin Pavilion on March 11. "But that doesn't mean gun control is doomed to failure."

Regarded as the nation's foremost authority on gun control, Cook spoke on "Evaluating the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act" to inaugurate a new lecture series on public health, law and ethics issues. Elected in 2001 to the prestigious Institute of Medicine, Cook is also known for his work on alcohol problems. In a 1981 study, he demonstrated that alcohol taxes have a direct effect on reducing drinking.

Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

Are you claiming the NRA and the gun lobby had no impact on the issue in Congress?

More incredibly, are you claiming members of Congress actual read the study?

Nobody even needed to read the study. FBI statistics show that violent crime (and gun crime in particular) has been on the decline since the mid 90's. Now nobody can say why, but I see a direct relationship between more armed citizens and lower crime. Most if not all of our mass shootings take place in gun-free zones. This is not to mention the fact that many of the cities that have the most violent gun crimes are places that are very restrictive on gun ownership by law abiding citizens.

There is an old saying: If it's not broke, don't fix it. We are on the right path to lowering violent and gun crime.

"F.B.I. confirms Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings Since 2000"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html?_r=0

"There were, on average, 16.4 such shootings a year from 2007 to 2013, compared with an average of 6.4 shootings annually from 2000 to 2006. In the past 13 years, 486 people have been killed in such shootings, with 366 of the deaths in the past seven years. In all, the study looked at 160 shootings since 2000. (Shootings tied to domestic violence and gangs were not included.)"

Here's a list of school shootings:

Columbine to Newtown: A tragic list of school shootings since 1999

Sorry, they admitted they got that wrong...they ginned up the numbers with shootings and other things that aren't mass shootings....nice try though......

Of course, guys like you have to lie...the truth, and reality show you are wrong about just about everything, especially guns....

Really? Oh sob, I have sinned. Please forgive me oh great and wonderful know-it-all.

Feel better? Now F off asshole, you've proven to be the male equivalent of Stephanie.

Just checking in. How's your quest to make the streets safer for criminals to commit crimes going?

 

[kaz]

Are you claiming the NRA and the gun lobby had no impact on the issue in Congress?

More incredibly, are you claiming members of Congress actual read the study?

Nobody even needed to read the study. FBI statistics show that violent crime (and gun crime in particular) has been on the decline since the mid 90's. Now nobody can say why, but I see a direct relationship between more armed citizens and lower crime. Most if not all of our mass shootings take place in gun-free zones. This is not to mention the fact that many of the cities that have the most violent gun crimes are places that are very restrictive on gun ownership by law abiding citizens.

There is an old saying: If it's not broke, don't fix it. We are on the right path to lowering violent and gun crime.

"F.B.I. confirms Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings Since 2000"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html?_r=0

"There were, on average, 16.4 such shootings a year from 2007 to 2013, compared with an average of 6.4 shootings annually from 2000 to 2006. In the past 13 years, 486 people have been killed in such shootings, with 366 of the deaths in the past seven years. In all, the study looked at 160 shootings since 2000. (Shootings tied to domestic violence and gangs were not included.)"

Here's a list of school shootings:

Columbine to Newtown: A tragic list of school shootings since 1999

Sorry, they admitted they got that wrong...they ginned up the numbers with shootings and other things that aren't mass shootings....nice try though......

Of course, guys like you have to lie...the truth, and reality show you are wrong about just about everything, especially guns....

Really? Oh sob, I have sinned. Please forgive me oh great and wonderful know-it-all.

Feel better? Now F off asshole, you've proven to be the male equivalent of Stephanie.

I am not a know it all...I have to find sources....

That's his problem, you keep embarrassing him with facts supported by research when all he can come up with are leftist op eds

 

[kaz]

It's not 'Sporting.' The animal has no chance. You're doing nothing but waiting. There's nothing sporting about that. Eventually an animal is gonna cross your path.

Shit, some of you tards even use attractants like salt blocks and deer sprays. Attracting a poor hungry animal to you so you can brutally murder it? Yeah, real challenging. Weird little cowards.

Well if you want more sporting, perhaps they could use bow and arrows, you know, like that dentist that shot that lion? Of course, animals survive arrows more than bullets, then it lives as long as it can in pain and suffering. But what the hell, at least it's more sporting for you, right?

Enjoy nature and God's beautiful animals. You don't have to hide in that tree waiting to blow a deer's spine apart. You have options. It's a luxury you can take full advantage of.

Correct, there are options. As others have pointed out here, instead of killing your own meat, you can pay others to kill it for you that way you need not see how your meal was processed.

I don't have the heart to kill an animal, but that doesn't mean I don't want anybody to. God made animals for us to eat, but I doubt you could ever reconcile that. At least I can be honest about it as I sit here with my Big Mac typing on this keyboard.

As pointed out earlier, most hunters don't hunt for food or survival. They kill & maim just for fun.

Then I would have to say you don't know many hunters.

He is a hunter. You can't say he doesn't hunt dick, he hunts dick all the time