Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[2aguy]

Keep guns from criminals...simple plan

1. Register all guns......ownership traceability
2. License gun owners.....ensure they have been trained and passed background check
3. Fingerprint all guns.....any bullet fired from that gun can be traced to the owner

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

And how are you going to do that when they buy illegal guns?

You still aren't clicking with the part that criminals don't follow the law, are you?

You don't solve every crime. You assume all murders happen with untraceable guns.....they don't

And if the killer killed someone they knew, current forensic and detective techniques get the job done. Just watch any of the documentary shows on police and forensic work. It doesn't take registering all non criminals or licensing all non criminals to find the few people who are actually guilty of a crime....

It would also be unConstitutional...since you are essentially violating the "innocent until proven guilty" by assuming everyone is guilty eventually so we might as well keep an eye on everyone.....

 

[2aguy]

Keep guns from criminals...simple plan

1. Register all guns......ownership traceability
2. License gun owners.....ensure they have been trained and passed background check
3. Fingerprint all guns.....any bullet fired from that gun can be traced to the owner

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Cars are not a protected Right. Guns are. And history has shown that governments will confiscate guns if they want to....France, Germany, Britain, Australia....any socialist country in fact......especially the ones who want to murder their opponents...all confiscated guns....

And in Europe, they confiscated guns, and then later murdered 12 million innocent people and occupied their countries......with no one to stop them....

Except for Switzerland.....the only country not invaded by the Germans at the start of the war...why? They had over 400,000 citizens with guns. Too big a nut to crack compared to the other, soft, disarmed European countries.


And all you had to do was watch the episode of CHIPS, back in the 70s....you report your car stolen.....today...with all he cameras, they can use current forensic techniques and detective techniques to find you ....dittos gun crime.

And with more Americans owning guns....and over 12.8 million Americans carrying guns for protection...our gun murder rate is already going down, not up....so what we are doing now is doing the job already.

 

[2aguy]

Keep guns from criminals...simple plan

1. Register all guns......ownership traceability
2. License gun owners.....ensure they have been trained and passed background check
3. Fingerprint all guns.....any bullet fired from that gun can be traced to the owner

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Is there a political party out there that would love to confiscate cars, but can't because they don't have the power?

Yes there is, it is the democrat party....and they would love to force everyone on public transportation....but just like guns, they don't have the political power to do it....

 

[2aguy]

 

[kaz]

They get "commandeered" into it by law enforcement whenever they need manpower for that endeavor.

yes, law enforcement needs a good rugby match

the point is, dear, that law enforcement must always "win its matches" to ensure the domestic Tranquility of our free States.

You mean Provinces, eh?

whatever; would you be terribly upset if i "commandeered" you, for a few seconds?

My ass is virgin ... and staying that way ...

 

[kaz]

Keep guns from criminals...simple plan

1. Register all guns......ownership traceability
2. License gun owners.....ensure they have been trained and passed background check
3. Fingerprint all guns.....any bullet fired from that gun can be traced to the owner

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

And how are you going to do that when they buy illegal guns?

You still aren't clicking with the part that criminals don't follow the law, are you?

You don't solve every crime. You assume all murders happen with untraceable guns.....they don't

And if the killer killed someone they knew, current forensic and detective techniques get the job done. Just watch any of the documentary shows on police and forensic work. It doesn't take registering all non criminals or licensing all non criminals to find the few people who are actually guilty of a crime....

It would also be unConstitutional...since you are essentially violating the "innocent until proven guilty" by assuming everyone is guilty eventually so we might as well keep an eye on everyone.....

RW thinks of the Constitution as an ATM machine

 

[rightwinger]

Keep guns from criminals...simple plan

1. Register all guns......ownership traceability
2. License gun owners.....ensure they have been trained and passed background check
3. Fingerprint all guns.....any bullet fired from that gun can be traced to the owner

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Are there paint chips and tire impressions stored in a data base somewhere? More importantly, is there a Constitutional Amendment saying your right to own and drive a car shall not be infringed?

There is nothing in the second amendment discouraging gun registration or licensing of gun owners.....consider it to being part of a well regulated militia

 

[jon_berzerk]

***yawn*** you bait is stinky

 

[Jarlaxle]

Dipshit...the Brady Bill effect was study, the "Assault Weapon Ban" portion of the bill did nothing....considering that all long guns kill fewer people than knives or empty hands and "Assault Weapons" kill only a handful of people if any each year.....it was a dumb law.....

101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Hook Parents Sue Bushmaster: You Sold ‘Weapon of Choice’ for Mass Murderers

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why Gun Control Groups Have Moved Away from an Assault Weapons Ban

There is more too the story of the Brady Bill than those partisans put forth and the idiots on the right echo.

You know what none of those do? Tell us how you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. All you're proposing is limiting our ability to defend ourselves. Criminals love these laws, it makes them a lot safer

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Then why can't you show where any of the links present actual proposals to get guns out of the hands of criminals? All you can make are empty statements

Only assholes and abject fools continue to ask this same stupid question.

You've proven to be both.

Assholes and fools continue to post claims that millions of times a year a gun is used by a good guy to stop a bad thing from happening. Yet, no credible evidence is ever posted to prove the truth of thus claim.

It has been posted, many times. You ignore it.

I've made a very simple suggestion which you cannot refute, you cannot prove that licensing won't reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them in their possession.

You cannot prove that it will do so.

 

[kaz]

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Are there paint chips and tire impressions stored in a data base somewhere? More importantly, is there a Constitutional Amendment saying your right to own and drive a car shall not be infringed?

There is nothing in the second amendment discouraging gun registration or licensing of gun owners.....consider it to being part of a well regulated militia

Sure, so can government require us to register to belong to a religion or to speak freely? Can they charge us fees for protection from illegal search and seizure? Does the Bill of Rights actually exist at all? It's really a bill of suggestions, don't you think? Maybe suggestion is a strong word, maybe it's a Bill of Thoughts, take them for what they are...

 

[kaz]

101 California Street shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Hook Parents Sue Bushmaster: You Sold ‘Weapon of Choice’ for Mass Murderers

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why Gun Control Groups Have Moved Away from an Assault Weapons Ban

There is more too the story of the Brady Bill than those partisans put forth and the idiots on the right echo.

You know what none of those do? Tell us how you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. All you're proposing is limiting our ability to defend ourselves. Criminals love these laws, it makes them a lot safer

You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.

Then why can't you show where any of the links present actual proposals to get guns out of the hands of criminals? All you can make are empty statements

Only assholes and abject fools continue to ask this same stupid question.

You've proven to be both.

Assholes and fools continue to post claims that millions of times a year a gun is used by a good guy to stop a bad thing from happening. Yet, no credible evidence is ever posted to prove the truth of thus claim.

It has been posted, many times. You ignore it.

I've made a very simple suggestion which you cannot refute, you cannot prove that licensing won't reduce the number of guns in the hands of those who should not have them in their possession.

You cannot prove that it will do so.

Don't you like how Wry constantly ignores posts that have been repeatedly presented while referring to a body of posts he claims proves everything he says that doesn't exist at all?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Are there paint chips and tire impressions stored in a data base somewhere? More importantly, is there a Constitutional Amendment saying your right to own and drive a car shall not be infringed?

There is nothing in the second amendment discouraging gun registration or licensing of gun owners.....consider it to being part of a well regulated militia

This comment from a member of a party that states it's disenfranchisement to ask people to get an ID to vote in this country?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Are there paint chips and tire impressions stored in a data base somewhere? More importantly, is there a Constitutional Amendment saying your right to own and drive a car shall not be infringed?

There is nothing in the second amendment discouraging gun registration or licensing of gun owners.....consider it to being part of a well regulated militia

Sure, so can government require us to register to belong to a religion or to speak freely? Can they charge us fees for protection from illegal search and seizure? Does the Bill of Rights actually exist at all? It's really a bill of suggestions, don't you think? Maybe suggestion is a strong word, maybe it's a Bill of Thoughts, take them for what they are...

 

[Jarlaxle]

After observing the dumb camo-wearing loons for years, i've come to the conclusion that there should be more deer and less humans. Humans are bad. Deer are good. The World really would be a better place if there were more deer and much less camo-wearing human shitheads.

OK, then: kill yourself.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Selling one or more guns to a neighbor is not the problem, and shouldn't be the focus.....make it a fine, say....1000 dollars a gun, no misdeneanor and no felony.....to teach him to check next time. Maybe...I'll have to think about the way the anti gun extremists could exploit that policy.

Describe, in detail and with links to sources, EXACTLY how I could "check" whether my neighbor is forbidden to own a gun. Be specific.

 

[rightwinger]

Keep guns from criminals...simple plan

1. Register all guns......ownership traceability
2. License gun owners.....ensure they have been trained and passed background check
3. Fingerprint all guns.....any bullet fired from that gun can be traced to the owner

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

And how are you going to do that when they buy illegal guns?

You still aren't clicking with the part that criminals don't follow the law, are you?

You don't solve every crime. You assume all murders happen with untraceable guns.....they don't

And if the killer killed someone they knew, current forensic and detective techniques get the job done. Just watch any of the documentary shows on police and forensic work. It doesn't take registering all non criminals or licensing all non criminals to find the few people who are actually guilty of a crime....

It would also be unConstitutional...since you are essentially violating the "innocent until proven guilty" by assuming everyone is guilty eventually so we might as well keep an eye on everyone.....

No bigger an inconvenience than me registering my car

 

[rightwinger]

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

It already is. Why turn it into a tool to facilitate rounding up all of the legally owned weapons that will never leave a bullet at the scene of a crime unless your agenda is to create a national firearms registry in order to grab them all up at some later date?

More paranoia from gun nuts

I register my car and have yet to have one confiscated. However, if my car is involved in a hit and run...it is traceable back to me

Are there paint chips and tire impressions stored in a data base somewhere? More importantly, is there a Constitutional Amendment saying your right to own and drive a car shall not be infringed?

There is nothing in the second amendment discouraging gun registration or licensing of gun owners.....consider it to being part of a well regulated militia

This comment from a member of a party that states it's disenfranchisement to ask people to get an ID to vote in this country?

Provide 100% IDs to everyone and I am OK with it

 

[Jarlaxle]

Obviously Apples & Oranges. My advice would be to avoid selling guns to neighbors and acquaintances. Unless you do the proper due diligence.

Much easier to make sure any gun I sell is sold to someone who does not KNOW who I am. First names only, meet at a neutral location, contact only through a throwaway cell phone bought with cash. Maybe rent a car or van so the guy doesn't know what state I live in.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Do you realize that Illinois has licenses for all gun owners called the Firearm Owners Identification CArd.....you submit to a State Police background check and then you get your "license" and you need it to buy guns, ammo and to shoot on a commercial range, as well as to transport guns.

I have one. I have never committed a crime.

And you know what...it has no effect on the shooting gallery that we call the city of Chicago....so....with that actual application also showing how dumb gun licensing is.....why do we need it again?

I don't support those laws. But if you're gonna sell a firearm, i suggest you do your due diligence. If the purchaser turns out to be a Felon, you have to be held accountable.

Again...do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your car? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted drunk driver?

Again, do you have to do due dilligence before you sell your computer? To make sure the guy you are selling it to isn't a convicted child porn guy like Jared, who are banned from ever touching a computer again.

Are either of those on you?

Same for guns....the criminal knows he is breaking the law, catch him and arrest him. If you have an actual criminal gun dealer, knowingly selling to criminals in large quantities...catch him and arrest him....spend your manpower on him, not Joe Citizen.

Like i said, you can go on spinning it anyway you like, but you sell a firearm to a Felon, you have to accept responsibility and pay the piper.

Not spinning it...telling the truth. Guns are legal products and we are not cops. Making us do the work of cops to sell a legal product is insane. Catch the felon who buys the gun....they know they can't own it or carry it....you can arrest them already without licensing gun owners...

And as Illinois shows...licensing does absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....because none of the shooters in Chicago....and we have had another bloody weekend, have Firearm Owner Identification CArds...do they?

Apart from an extension of an inadequate body part ...what useful function does a gun have...is shooting bullets at cans a form of entertainment, an education for a child...if you remove all guns children will stop dying because of the careless actions of a few....agreed, only a few...but children will live ...children who would otherwise die....I am curious.... can you name something other than guns that have no function other than killing....that cause the deaths of good people....every day...not saying such a product does not exist...but, can't think of anything at the moment...cars (function), knives (function), swimming pools (function), bicycles (function)..automatically, you will say 'protection'...self defense..well, if there are no guns...man up and find a way to protect yourself.., pretend you're Monty Clift fighting Ernie Borgnine in From Here to Eternity...have some guts ...or, as most trembling cowards without a gun would do....run......there is risk in life embrace it...

My uncle is alive because he carries a gun. I am alive because I had a gun.

Explain, in detail, how my wife's best friend--all 4'5" and 85lbs of her--should protect herself from a 6'2", 230lb attacker. Be specific. (Her preferred method is a Smith & Wesson Detective Special.)

 

[kaz]

Great idea! Case solved!

Hey, wait, what if criminals just bought an illegal gun? Wish I'd thought of that before. Oh wait, I did, it was in my OP post...

All this would be easier if criminals just followed the law, wouldn't it, comrade big guy?

Like all preventive measures, they are not 100% effective. Seat belts don't save all lives

However, being able to identify a gun from a bullet found at the scene of a crime will be a huge criminal enforcement tool

And how are you going to do that when they buy illegal guns?

You still aren't clicking with the part that criminals don't follow the law, are you?

You don't solve every crime. You assume all murders happen with untraceable guns.....they don't

And if the killer killed someone they knew, current forensic and detective techniques get the job done. Just watch any of the documentary shows on police and forensic work. It doesn't take registering all non criminals or licensing all non criminals to find the few people who are actually guilty of a crime....

It would also be unConstitutional...since you are essentially violating the "innocent until proven guilty" by assuming everyone is guilty eventually so we might as well keep an eye on everyone.....

No bigger an inconvenience than me registering my car

Probably true. Do you have a comment on his post though?