Kill The Profit Motive And You Kill Modern Medical Advances And Prosperity

[bripat9643]

Really? Do you think those who support breast cancer (or any kind of cancer cure for that matter) are motivated by greed?

I personally think (and maybe it's me being a Pollyanna), that those who are on the cutting edges of medical science are there because they want to better understand, or help their fellow human beings.

However.....................those who are motivated by greed are easy to see. How much does Cialis or Viagra do for humankind?

even better said ...

A side note to Cialis and Viagra, they were developed to lower blood pressure, it was discovered on higher doses they produced erections. Hence, the money spend on R&D paid - and continues to pay - huge dividends to stock holders of big pharma.

So? That kind of obliterates the claim that "big pharma" spends more money researching erection drugs than researching drugs that alleviate a health issue, doesn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

What else is there to say? You and BriPat have made it clear you're racists. I don't need to say anything else. You are what you are. Racist.

So if you claim whites earn more than blacks, you're a racist? Or is that not a fact?

No. The fact is you're most ignorant. Look up the definition of a Racist.

Whites don't make more than blacks? Then why do we have affirmative action?

 

[RDD_1210]

Adding people to private plans using money redistributed from higher earners is socialized medicine. Further, forcing your plan to include people with pre-existing conditions without making them pay separately for their pre-existing issues is forcing the people on the plan to fund those people's known pre-existing conditions, thus re-distributing the costs of those issues to the people on the plan, which is most certainly socialized medicine. Your welcome.

That's called insurance pools. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's not a new concept.

Wrong. Insurance pools don't charge healthy people more so that unhealthy people can get cheap insurance. That's not "insurance." It's welfare. No healthy person would ever buy such "insurance" unless the government compelled them to, and that's what Obamacare does.

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

Also, purchasing home insurance after your house burns down wouldn't be insurance. It's welfare.

What's your point exactly? I hope you're not implying people can wait to get health insurance once they get sick. You would be that stupid to say something like that.

 

[GreenBean]

The ACLU disagrees with you The ACLU?s untold Stalinist heritage | The Daily Caller Just reminding everyone why the ACLU has no cases or platform defending property rights and of their communist past.

Noted author Paul Kengor has unearthed declassified letters and other documents in the Soviet Comintern archives linking early leaders of the ACLU with the Communist Party.

Kengor found a May 23, 1931 letter in the archives signed by ACLU founder Roger Baldwin, written on ACLU stationery, to then American Communist Party Chairman William Z. Foster asking him to help ACLU Chairman Harry Ward with his then-upcoming trip to Stalin’s Russia.

The letter suggests Ward intended to visit the Soviet Union to find “evidence from Soviet Russia” that would undermine the capitalist profit motive.

Some would argue in defense of the ACLU, that Communist infiltration today in the 21t Century is irrelevant - The Berlin Wall has been torn down, The Eastern Block and Soviet Union have been dissolved and Communism for all intensive purposes no longer exists.

Socialism, National Socialism, Communism are all various forms of an un-natural social movement that permeated the 20th Century and is still festering in the 21st - Communism is its current accolade and the ACLU is its Champion.

The ACLU adheres to the following practices , outlined in The communist goals 1963 - Congressional Record


16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture."

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ..force to solve economic, political or social problems.

ACLU Agenda to Destroy American Society

 

[bripat9643]

That's called insurance pools. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's not a new concept.

Wrong. Insurance pools don't charge healthy people more so that unhealthy people can get cheap insurance. That's not "insurance." It's welfare. No healthy person would ever buy such "insurance" unless the government compelled them to, and that's what Obamacare does.

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

That's what hospitals do, not insurance companies, and they only do it because the government compels them to, so once again you are talking about welfare and socialism, not insurance.

Also, purchasing home insurance after your house burns down wouldn't be insurance. It's welfare.

What's your point exactly? I hope you're not implying people can wait to get health insurance once they get sick. You would be that stupid to say something like that.

Yes, that is exactly what Obamacare does. It allows people to buy "insurance" after they get sick. That isn't insurance. It's welfare. What do you think it means to force insurance companies to accept customers with pre-existing conditions?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Accepting we have been a hybrid society for the past 100 years is knowing that there is in fact a profit motive. Fuck, a profit is made within both sectors So you want to destroy a sector of our economy at the same time you bitch about the economy....

damn.

 

[RDD_1210]

Wrong. Insurance pools don't charge healthy people more so that unhealthy people can get cheap insurance. That's not "insurance." It's welfare. No healthy person would ever buy such "insurance" unless the government compelled them to, and that's what Obamacare does.

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

That's what hospitals do, not insurance companies, and they only do it because the government compels them to, so once again you are talking about welfare and socialism, not insurance.

Also, purchasing home insurance after your house burns down wouldn't be insurance. It's welfare.

What's your point exactly? I hope you're not implying people can wait to get health insurance once they get sick. You would be that stupid to say something like that.

Yes, that is exactly what Obamacare does. It allows people to buy "insurance" after they get sick. That isn't insurance. It's welfare. What do you think it means to force insurance companies to accept customers with pre-existing conditions?

Holy fuck, you are that dumb.

So you don't think anybody thought of that amazing loophole that you came up with? That's why there are enrollment periods that you can buy insurance during. To prevent geniuses like you from waiting to get sick and then calling up for insurance on the way to the hospital. Do you think someone is going to find out they have cancer and then wait 11 months to sign up for insurance so that they can get treatment?

Just when I think you can't possibly be any dumber, you go and prove me dead wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

That's what hospitals do, not insurance companies, and they only do it because the government compels them to, so once again you are talking about welfare and socialism, not insurance.

What's your point exactly? I hope you're not implying people can wait to get health insurance once they get sick. You would be that stupid to say something like that.

Yes, that is exactly what Obamacare does. It allows people to buy "insurance" after they get sick. That isn't insurance. It's welfare. What do you think it means to force insurance companies to accept customers with pre-existing conditions?

Holy fuck, you are that dumb.

So you don't think anybody thought of that amazing loophole that you came up with? That's why there are enrollment periods that you can buy insurance during. To prevent geniuses like you from waiting to get sick and then calling up for insurance on the way to the hospital. Do you think someone is going to find out they have cancer and then wait 11 months to sign up for insurance so that they can get treatment?

Just when I think you can't possibly be any dumber, you go and prove me dead wrong.

If they can't afford an Obamacare "Bronze plan," then that's exactly what they'll do.

I have diabetes. I had it for years before I was diagnosed. After I was diagnosed, I couldn't get a private insurance company to insure me on the individual market. I had to get a job that offered health insurance as a benefit to get insurance.

Under Obamacare, I could have forced some insurance company to insure me even though I'm a major risk for serious health complications.

You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Why don't you quit while you're behind?

 

[RDD_1210]

That's what hospitals do, not insurance companies, and they only do it because the government compels them to, so once again you are talking about welfare and socialism, not insurance.



Yes, that is exactly what Obamacare does. It allows people to buy "insurance" after they get sick. That isn't insurance. It's welfare. What do you think it means to force insurance companies to accept customers with pre-existing conditions?

Holy fuck, you are that dumb.

So you don't think anybody thought of that amazing loophole that you came up with? That's why there are enrollment periods that you can buy insurance during. To prevent geniuses like you from waiting to get sick and then calling up for insurance on the way to the hospital. Do you think someone is going to find out they have cancer and then wait 11 months to sign up for insurance so that they can get treatment?

Just when I think you can't possibly be any dumber, you go and prove me dead wrong.

If they can't afford an Obamacare "Bronze plan," then that's exactly what they'll do.

If they can't afford it, they can apply for a subsidy to help them afford it. So no, no rational person would do that.

Again, do you think before you say anything?

I have diabetes. I had it for years before I was diagnosed. After I was diagnosed, I couldn't get a private insurance company to insure me on the individual market. I had to get a job that offered health insurance as a benefit to get insurance.

Under Obamacare, I could have forced some insurance company to insure me even though I'm a major risk for serious health complications.

You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Why don't you quit while you're behind?

Yeah, and you'll pay more having a preexisting condition, but at least you can get insurance. And that's certainly better than paying for everything out of pocket in our bloated cost healthcare system.

Once again you've exposed you're ignorant on yet another subject.

 

[The Rabbi]

That's called insurance pools. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's not a new concept.

Wrong. Insurance pools don't charge healthy people more so that unhealthy people can get cheap insurance. That's not "insurance." It's welfare. No healthy person would ever buy such "insurance" unless the government compelled them to, and that's what Obamacare does.

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

Actually the majority of people going to ERs had health insurance. And as we learned last week ER use is up due to Obamacare, not down. Another factoid bites the dust.

 

[bripat9643]

Holy fuck, you are that dumb.

So you don't think anybody thought of that amazing loophole that you came up with? That's why there are enrollment periods that you can buy insurance during. To prevent geniuses like you from waiting to get sick and then calling up for insurance on the way to the hospital. Do you think someone is going to find out they have cancer and then wait 11 months to sign up for insurance so that they can get treatment?

Just when I think you can't possibly be any dumber, you go and prove me dead wrong.

If they can't afford an Obamacare "Bronze plan," then that's exactly what they'll do.

If they can't afford it, they can apply for a subsidy to help them afford it. So no, no rational person would do that.

Again, do you think before you say anything?

I have diabetes. I had it for years before I was diagnosed. After I was diagnosed, I couldn't get a private insurance company to insure me on the individual market. I had to get a job that offered health insurance as a benefit to get insurance.

Under Obamacare, I could have forced some insurance company to insure me even though I'm a major risk for serious health complications.

You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Why don't you quit while you're behind?

Yeah, and you'll pay more having a preexisting condition, but at least you can get insurance. And that's certainly better than paying for everything out of pocket in our bloated cost healthcare system.

Once again you've exposed you're ignorant on yet another subject.

Wrong, asshole. No insurance company was willing to offer me a policy for any price. They simply declined to cover me. You're obviously a fucking idiot who doesn't know the facts of reality.

Furthermore, people who don't qualify for a subsidy cannot afford to pay $1000/month for insurance and pay a $10,000 deductible. Such "insurance" is almost worthless. Why do you think so many people are complaining about losing their old plans?

The reason our healthcare system is so "bloated" is because of all the government regulations that drive up costs. Just consider the fact that if you want to build a new hospital in many cities you have to get what they call a "Certificate of Need." That means you have to get the approval of some committee before you can build. Whose on the committee? It's compose of the directors of all the other hospitals in the area. What do you think the odds are of such committees granting a "Certificate of need?" That's one major reason that staying in a hospital is so expensive. The uninsured patient issue is minor compared to that.

 

[The Rabbi]

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I have diabetes. I had it for years before I was diagnosed. After I was diagnosed, I couldn't get a private insurance company to insure me on the individual market. I had to get a job that offered health insurance as a benefit to get insurance.

Under Obamacare, I could have forced some insurance company to insure me even though I'm a major risk for serious health complications.

You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Why don't you quit while you're behind?

Yeah, and you'll pay more having a preexisting condition, but at least you can get insurance. And that's certainly better than paying for everything out of pocket in our bloated cost healthcare system.

Once again you've exposed you're ignorant on yet another subject.

Wow way to ignroe what he wrote. His choice was not no coverage. His chocie was to find a job that offered insurance.
In any case, why do you suppose he could not get health insurance under the old system? And please dont say no insurer was willing to take the risk. that just exposes your abject ignorance.

 

[RKMBrown]

Today I learned that adding more people on to private insurance plans is now considered socialized medicine.

So did the meaning of socialism change over the weekend and I didn't get an email about it?

Adding people to private plans using money redistributed from higher earners is socialized medicine. Further, forcing your plan to include people with pre-existing conditions without making them pay separately for their pre-existing issues is forcing the people on the plan to fund those people's known pre-existing conditions, thus re-distributing the costs of those issues to the people on the plan, which is most certainly socialized medicine. Your welcome.

That's called insurance pools. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's not a new concept.

Sorry if you are to ignorant to understand the difference between a typical insurance pool where insurance companies bill customers based on risk that the customer will need to pull money out of the pool, and this socialist system where people are forced to buy insurance and the insurance companies are forced to charge customers based on socialist / political re-distribution policies.

 

[RKMBrown]

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

Duh numb nutz. And you think adding a screwed up socialist system (obuma care) on top of another screwed up socialist system (redistributed ER costs) is gonna fix the other socialist system?

 

[RDD_1210]

Wrong. Insurance pools don't charge healthy people more so that unhealthy people can get cheap insurance. That's not "insurance." It's welfare. No healthy person would ever buy such "insurance" unless the government compelled them to, and that's what Obamacare does.

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

Actually the majority of people going to ERs had health insurance. And as we learned last week ER use is up due to Obamacare, not down. Another factoid bites the dust.

Read what I wrote again. Not surprising your response does not relate to what was actually said.

 

[RDD_1210]

If they can't afford an Obamacare "Bronze plan," then that's exactly what they'll do.

If they can't afford it, they can apply for a subsidy to help them afford it. So no, no rational person would do that.

Again, do you think before you say anything?

I have diabetes. I had it for years before I was diagnosed. After I was diagnosed, I couldn't get a private insurance company to insure me on the individual market. I had to get a job that offered health insurance as a benefit to get insurance.

Under Obamacare, I could have forced some insurance company to insure me even though I'm a major risk for serious health complications.

You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Why don't you quit while you're behind?

Yeah, and you'll pay more having a preexisting condition, but at least you can get insurance. And that's certainly better than paying for everything out of pocket in our bloated cost healthcare system.

Once again you've exposed you're ignorant on yet another subject.

Wrong, asshole. No insurance company was willing to offer me a policy for any price. They simply declined to cover me. You're obviously a fucking idiot who doesn't know the facts of reality.

Furthermore, people who don't qualify for a subsidy cannot afford to pay $1000/month for insurance and pay a $10,000 deductible. Such "insurance" is almost worthless. Why do you think so many people are complaining about losing their old plans?

The reason our healthcare system is so "bloated" is because of all the government regulations that drive up costs. Just consider the fact that if you want to build a new hospital in many cities you have to get what they call a "Certificate of Need." That means you have to get the approval of some committee before you can build. Whose on the committee? It's compose of the directors of all the other hospitals in the area. What do you think the odds are of such committees granting a "Certificate of need?" That's one major reason that staying in a hospital is so expensive. The uninsured patient issue is minor compared to that.

LOL. Of course no insurance company wanted to insure you. You had a preexisting condition. And thats the point. Before insurance companies could deny you. Now they can't. You are living proof of the positive effects of this legislation. Thanks for pointing that out.

And sure, government bloats the shit out of things, but to act like government is THE cause of bloated costs is ridiculous. There are PLENTY of other systems out there that have way more government involvement and cost a fraction of what we pay here.

Have you had enough of a beating yet? Keep responding if you'd like more.

 

[RDD_1210]

[

I have diabetes. I had it for years before I was diagnosed. After I was diagnosed, I couldn't get a private insurance company to insure me on the individual market. I had to get a job that offered health insurance as a benefit to get insurance.

Under Obamacare, I could have forced some insurance company to insure me even though I'm a major risk for serious health complications.

You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Why don't you quit while you're behind?

Yeah, and you'll pay more having a preexisting condition, but at least you can get insurance. And that's certainly better than paying for everything out of pocket in our bloated cost healthcare system.

Once again you've exposed you're ignorant on yet another subject.

Wow way to ignroe what he wrote. His choice was not no coverage. His chocie was to find a job that offered insurance.
In any case, why do you suppose he could not get health insurance under the old system? And please dont say no insurer was willing to take the risk. that just exposes your abject ignorance.

No insurer was willing to take the risk. Insurances companies are designed to make profit and you don't profit when you insure higher risk people.

 

[RDD_1210]

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

Duh numb nutz. And you think adding a screwed up socialist system (obuma care) on top of another screwed up socialist system (redistributed ER costs) is gonna fix the other socialist system?

Nope, but at least everyone can partake in our screwed up system now.

 

[bripat9643]

If they can't afford it, they can apply for a subsidy to help them afford it. So no, no rational person would do that.

Again, do you think before you say anything?



Yeah, and you'll pay more having a preexisting condition, but at least you can get insurance. And that's certainly better than paying for everything out of pocket in our bloated cost healthcare system.

Once again you've exposed you're ignorant on yet another subject.

Wrong, asshole. No insurance company was willing to offer me a policy for any price. They simply declined to cover me. You're obviously a fucking idiot who doesn't know the facts of reality.

Furthermore, people who don't qualify for a subsidy cannot afford to pay $1000/month for insurance and pay a $10,000 deductible. Such "insurance" is almost worthless. Why do you think so many people are complaining about losing their old plans?

The reason our healthcare system is so "bloated" is because of all the government regulations that drive up costs. Just consider the fact that if you want to build a new hospital in many cities you have to get what they call a "Certificate of Need." That means you have to get the approval of some committee before you can build. Whose on the committee? It's compose of the directors of all the other hospitals in the area. What do you think the odds are of such committees granting a "Certificate of need?" That's one major reason that staying in a hospital is so expensive. The uninsured patient issue is minor compared to that.

LOL. Of course no insurance company wanted to insure you. You had a preexisting condition. And thats the point. Before insurance companies could deny you. Now they can't. You are living proof of the positive effects of this legislation. Thanks for pointing that out.

You just got done saying that no one is going to get sick and then wait 8 months to get insurance, but I had diabetes for years before I got insurance, so you're obviously a fucking moron who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

And sure, government bloats the shit out of things, but to act like government is THE cause of bloated costs is ridiculous. There are PLENTY of other systems out there that have way more government involvement and cost a fraction of what we pay here.

Like what?

Have you had enough of a beating yet? Keep responding if you'd like more.

You're like the black knight in that Monty Python skit. Your arms and legs have been hacked off, but you're still eager for a fight.

 

[bripat9643]

Healthy people were already being charged more because uninsured people were still going to ER's and racking up bills they couldn't pay. That gets passed down to people who can pay through higher premiums. Get a fucking clue on just one topic, please. Just one

Duh numb nutz. And you think adding a screwed up socialist system (obuma care) on top of another screwed up socialist system (redistributed ER costs) is gonna fix the other socialist system?

Nope, but at least everyone can partake in our screwed up system now.

No they can't. Fewer people have insurance now than before Obamacare took effect.

Do you even bother to read the news?