Killing babies

[Thunderbird]

This passed unanimously in both Chambers.


An Act

To protect infants who are born alive. <<NOTE: Aug. 5, 2002 -

This Act may be cited as the ``Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of
2002''.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF BORN-ALIVE INFANT.
........
``(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any
ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative
bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words `person', `human
being', `child', and `individual', shall include every infant member of
the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
``(b) As used in this section, the term `born alive', with respect
to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or
extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of
development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a
beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of
voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a
result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced
abortion.

Text - H.R.2175 - 107th Congress (2001-2002): Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002

Text for H.R.2175 - 107th Congress (2001-2002): Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002

www.congress.gov

You're part of the know nothing party for a reason.

You know nothing.

Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act Debate Reignites

House leadership aims to ensure legal protections for surviving infants, despite staunch opposition from all but three Democrats.

www.ncregister.com

 

[buttercup]

I don't know what Trump said and I don't care. "Post birth abortion" (infanticide) DOES happen. There have been instances of babies surviving an abortion, only to be left to die. It may be rare but it happens.

In fact, there are abortion survivors who are alive today only because they weren't killed or left to die after birth. Gianna Jessen, for example. And there are others.

 

[buttercup]

That is absolutely false.

Most late term abortions are committed on healthy babies and healthy mothers.

Yes, late-term abortions are real, and they happen every day

The truth is that 10,000 late-term abortions are performed annually, the majority for elective reasons.

thehill.com

Just to add on to what you said, former abortionist and practicing OB/GYN Dr. Anthony Levatino stated, “I never once had to kill a baby to save a mother's life."

 

[buttercup]

As for Trump, I personally don't buy that he went from being radically pro-choice to pro-life. Romney did the same thing, flip flopped back and forth. All politicians who decide to run as an (R) suddenly become pro-life.

 

[martybegan]

Well no. The laws in effect for Gosnell didn't allow what he did, and neither do he laws today.

The laws passed in anticipation of and after Roe falling weren't on the books when Gosnell did what he did.

 

[Libby von H]

Trump claims that doctors are actually killing babies after birth, and calling it abortion. Is there any present or passed law that allows this, or any reason whatsoever to lead anyone to believe this is a real thing that happens? I have no doubt that someone throughout history has done such a horrendous thing, but if so, it was just one of the crazies we have always had. Jeffery Dahmer ate people, but I don't see that as an issue that needs to be discussed in a presidential election. Does anybody have any reason to believe there was any truth in trump's crazy remark?

Well,yeah....remember
U.S. Senator Bill Cassidy, M.D. (R-LA), a doctor and member of the Senate health committee, responded today to Virginia Governor Ralph Northam’s defense of infanticide

 

[22lcidw]

As for Trump, I personally don't buy that he went from being radically pro-choice to pro-life. Romney did the same thing, flip flopped back and forth. All politicians who decide to run as an (R) suddenly become pro-life.

I get what you are saying. In Sodom and Gomorrah...Joe was Lot then became the Sodom and Gomorrah queen ruler in views of living. Joe is a chameleon. For his own power.

 

[Coyote]

So by that reading, a partial birth abortions are perfectly legal, just as long as a foot remains in the mother, got it. BTW digest this:

Former Nurse Testifies Hospital Performed 'Born-Alive' Abortions, Then Sent Babies to 'Comfort Room' To Die

A nurse testified before Congress that a hospital where she was employed had a 'comfort room' where aborted babies born alive were taken to die.

www.westernjournal.com

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Northam said in January, “the infant would be kept comfortable,” while a discussion ensued between the mother and her physicians about whether to keep the child alive.


Think about it for a moment. If a fetus is aborted or miscarried prior to viability, what are you going to do? The same thing, presumably, that you would do with a child with severe birth defects, incompatible with life. Do you stick it full of tubes for a brief life of pain or keep as comfortable as possible? It is up to parents not you.

 

[BlindBoo]

You know nothing.

Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act Debate Reignites

House leadership aims to ensure legal protections for surviving infants, despite staunch opposition from all but three Democrats.

www.ncregister.com

Hahaha. You can't argue with the know nothings like Birdie here. The 2019 bill was a decoy to capture those know nothings who have to pretend care for all children born alive must be given care is not already the law of the land.

In 2002, the “Born-Alive Infants Protection Act” easily passed Congress — through a voice vote in the House and unanimous consent in the Senate. It became law on Aug. 5, 2002. It defined a “person” (or “human being,” “child” and “individual”) for the purposes of any act of Congress or any agency ruling/regulation as “every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.“

The act went on to define “born alive” as: “the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.”

 

[BlindBoo]

So by that reading, a partial birth abortions are perfectly legal, just as long as a foot remains in the mother, got it. BTW digest this:

Former Nurse Testifies Hospital Performed 'Born-Alive' Abortions, Then Sent Babies to 'Comfort Room' To Die

A nurse testified before Congress that a hospital where she was employed had a 'comfort room' where aborted babies born alive were taken to die.

www.westernjournal.com

.

Stanek gained initial prominence in 1999 when she testified that, while she worked at Christ Hospital, infants that survived induced labor abortions were abandoned to die in a utility room.

That case is why they passed the infants born alive act in 2002. They revived the story 20 years later as a media stunt and poutrage propaganda for the know nothings

 

[Coyote]

That is absolutely false.

Most late term abortions are committed on healthy babies and healthy mothers.

Yes, late-term abortions are real, and they happen every day

The truth is that 10,000 late-term abortions are performed annually, the majority for elective reasons.

thehill.com

Nice opinion piece. Accurate data on reasons for third trimester abortions and how many are for either fetal defects or maternal health are hard to come by, but regardless, it is a tiny fraction of all abortions and if barriers to early abortion were removed, it would be even tinier.

Deceptive and dishonest terminology often obscures actual data:

When health care providers use language like "full term" and "late term" in the context of pregnancy, they're talking about how far along the pregnancy is (with "full term" meaning between 39 and 40 weeks and "late term" meaning 41+ weeks). It's important to note that they do not use these terms to categorize types of abortion care.​

​

So when people use terminology like "late-term abortion," the discussion gets especially murky. The term sounds like the language used in medical settings, but when it comes to abortion care, it's simply vague and inaccurate—especially when you consider that most people who use the term aren't talking about abortions that are being performed after 41 weeks (or "late term").​

Experts explain that using the gestational period, or the time in pregnancy when the abortion is taking place, is the most accurate way to categorize abortion care and is the standard in the medical community. For instance, an abortion taking place during the second trimester would be a second-trimester abortion, and an abortion during the third trimester would be described as a third-trimester abortion.2​

​

Describing abortion by week or by trimester is also in line with how pregnancy care is provided. "We talk about care as pregnancy progresses in weeks from a person's last menstrual period, or in trimesters (1st: 0-13 weeks, 2nd: 14-26 weeks, 3rd: 27-40 weeks)," adds Chelsea Souder, MPH, director of Clinical Services and Communications Manager at AbortionClinics.org.​

​

Like "late-term abortion," the term "partial-birth abortion" is another inaccurate and misleading term with no basis in medicine. The term first gained traction with the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.3However, neither "late-term abortion" nor "partial-birth abortion" are recognized by leading medical groups, including the American College of Gynecology (ACOG).4​

​

"'Partial-birth abortion' refers to a procedure known as dilation and extraction, or D&X, which involves attempting to remove the fetus intact through the cervix," explains Dr. Grossman. "The procedure is no longer legal unless medication is used to stop the fetal heartbeat first."​

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If by “late term, you are talking about third trimester, you are talking about 24-41 weeks gestation.

Facts:
After 21 weeks, is rare, costly and legally restricted in most states, and also comes with greater maternal risks (though still lower than the risks of carrying to term and giving birth). Post Dobbs, they account for 1% of all abortions.

Source: Abortions Later in Pregnancy in a Post-Dobbs Era | KFF

• Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.

In 2021, the last year of data prior to Dobbs, 622,108 abortions were performed. So…of that, 1% were after 21 weeks.

The reasons are varied:

• Severe birth defects. Most fetal brain development occurs after 24 weeks so screening might not show lack of brain development until later. Other severe defects may also may not show until later as well.
• Medical conditions where a woman might not know she is pregnant until late.
• Substantial legal barriers preventing a woman from getting an early abortion.
• Risk to the mother’s health/life - pregnancy complications.

There is really no such thing as abortion up to birth, though people like to point to one exceedingly rare case (32 weeks) to make that claim, and it is a case where it would have been cruel to deny her.


If you want to reduce the tiny fraction of abortions that occur later…remove barriers to early abortion.

 

[Care4all]

You fuckers are evil, on top of totally fucking ignorant of current events.....

Fact Check: Does New York allow abortion up until birth?

Buffalo shooter Payton Gendron's sentencing was brought up in an anti-abortion social media post.

www.newsweek.com

From your fact check....


While New York does permit abortions for patients 24 weeks or more away from the start of pregnancy, practitioners may only perform the procedure if the fetus is not viable or is necessary to protect the patient's life or health.

The Act, signed by former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo in January 2019, states: "A health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized under title eight of the education law, acting within his or her lawful scope of practice, may perform an abortion when, according to the practitioner's reasonable and good faith professional judgment based on the facts of the patient's case: the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health."

 

[progressive hunter]

Trump’s a demagogue and liar – Trump supporters who try to defend Trump are just as reprehensible and wrong.

he still thanks you guys for your support,,

youre mental illness and hatred for trump has gotten him countless votes,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Nice opinion piece. Accurate data on reasons for third trimester abortions and how many are for either fetal defects or maternal health are hard to come by, but regardless, it is a tiny fraction of all abortions and if barriers to early abortion were removed, it would be even tinier.

Deceptive and dishonest terminology often obscures actual data:

When health care providers use language like "full term" and "late term" in the context of pregnancy, they're talking about how far along the pregnancy is (with "full term" meaning between 39 and 40 weeks and "late term" meaning 41+ weeks). It's important to note that they do not use these terms to categorize types of abortion care.​

​

So when people use terminology like "late-term abortion," the discussion gets especially murky. The term sounds like the language used in medical settings, but when it comes to abortion care, it's simply vague and inaccurate—especially when you consider that most people who use the term aren't talking about abortions that are being performed after 41 weeks (or "late term").​

Experts explain that using the gestational period, or the time in pregnancy when the abortion is taking place, is the most accurate way to categorize abortion care and is the standard in the medical community. For instance, an abortion taking place during the second trimester would be a second-trimester abortion, and an abortion during the third trimester would be described as a third-trimester abortion.2​

​

Describing abortion by week or by trimester is also in line with how pregnancy care is provided. "We talk about care as pregnancy progresses in weeks from a person's last menstrual period, or in trimesters (1st: 0-13 weeks, 2nd: 14-26 weeks, 3rd: 27-40 weeks)," adds Chelsea Souder, MPH, director of Clinical Services and Communications Manager at AbortionClinics.org.​

​

Like "late-term abortion," the term "partial-birth abortion" is another inaccurate and misleading term with no basis in medicine. The term first gained traction with the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.3However, neither "late-term abortion" nor "partial-birth abortion" are recognized by leading medical groups, including the American College of Gynecology (ACOG).4​

​

"'Partial-birth abortion' refers to a procedure known as dilation and extraction, or D&X, which involves attempting to remove the fetus intact through the cervix," explains Dr. Grossman. "The procedure is no longer legal unless medication is used to stop the fetal heartbeat first."​

​

If by “late term, you are talking about third trimester, you are talking about 24-41 weeks gestation.

Facts:
After 21 weeks, is rare, costly and legally restricted in most states, and also comes with greater maternal risks (though still lower than the risks of carrying to term and giving birth). Post Dobbs, they account for 1% of all abortions.

Source: Abortions Later in Pregnancy in a Post-Dobbs Era | KFF

• Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.

In 2021, the last year of data prior to Dobbs, 622,108 abortions were performed. So…of that, 1% were after 21 weeks.

The reasons are varied:

• Severe birth defects. Most fetal brain development occurs after 24 weeks so screening might not show lack of brain development until later. Other severe defects may also may not show until later as well.
• Medical conditions where a woman might not know she is pregnant until late.
• Substantial legal barriers preventing a woman from getting an early abortion.
• Risk to the mother’s health/life - pregnancy complications.

There is really no such thing as abortion up to birth, though people like to point to one exceedingly rare case (32 weeks) to make that claim, and it is a case where it would have been cruel to deny her.


If you want to reduce the tiny fraction of abortions that occur later…remove barriers to early abortion.

these excuses to justify killing innocent children is beyond depressing,,

 

[Coyote]

these excuses to justify killing innocent children is beyond depressing,,

Does that mean you support forcing woman to carry a non-viable pregnancy to term, despite increased risk to her!

 

[Libby von H]

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Then you've destroyed your own argument. So there are laws and there are partisan wank laws and you must be brought in as the expert that can tell them apart.
I know your type perfectly ,from long experience

 

[progressive hunter]

Does that mean you support forcing woman to carry a non-viable pregnancy to term, despite increased risk to her!

they are already carrying the child of they need an abortion,,

what you want is to allow women to murder their own child,,

this semantic game of adding non=viable is another stupid word game I wont play because to you non viable means she doesnt want the child,,

 

[Coyote]

they are already carrying the child of they need an abortion,,

what you want is to allow women to murder their own child,,

this semantic game of adding non=viable is another stupid word game I wont play because to you non viable means she doesnt want the child,,

What do you mean in your first sentence?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Trump claims that doctors are actually killing babies after birth, and calling it abortion. Is there any present or passed law that allows this, or any reason whatsoever to lead anyone to believe this is a real thing that happens? I have no doubt that someone throughout history has done such a horrendous thing, but if so, it was just one of the crazies we have always had. Jeffery Dahmer ate people, but I don't see that as an issue that needs to be discussed in a presidential election. Does anybody have any reason to believe there was any truth in trump's crazy remark?

The Dim Governor of Virginia proposed a Law killing babies after being born.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html

 

[progressive hunter]

What do you mean in your first sentence?

you guys constantly use deceptive and misleading wording to manipulate the meanings..

what do you mean by non viable??

would it be the child has no chance of living,, or no chance at a normal life due to a host of many things like downs or missing limbs to name a few??