Lawmakers DESTROY thousands of low education jobs for the poor

From your own article --

“Once again, Obama is going in precisely the wrong direction,” Higgins said in a statement. “Rather than in-sourcing jobs, he would outsource the headquarters and top management of U.S. multinational companies.”

The prognosis for the overhaul plan in Congress is unclear. Many Republicans, including the leading presidential candidates, have favored reducing taxes on businesses well below what the Stuttering Clusterfukk of a lying bitch is proposing.

Yeah, he's a lying bitch.

Let him propose those taxes and watch Republicans jump on them like a Duck on a June Bug.

the Stuttering Clusterfukk just runs his mouth with no conviction. He says things he has no intention of doing.

And stupid people like you lap up his spittle like the snarling lapdogs you are.
 
A safety net is needed yes. But 1 in 3 Americans on that net is complete bullshit. Earn your way rather that taking Clark Griswalds cousins attitude...."im holding out for management" 12 years later

You know gramps, it is always the right who needs to diminish people and apply their own nefarious reasons someone is not rich. They are 'lazy', or they are 'moochers'

The conservative world view is what's nefarious. We see in America every day assaults by conservatives on unions, public employees, women's rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

You are more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone that can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.

Conservatism throughout human history has always created a aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.

I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.

Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.

So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism, but what you profess is not conservatism, it's narcissism.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

'Liberalism' isn't evil, it's what liberalism leads to that is evil.

Do you think the Russian people knew what they were getting into in 1917?

Cuba and Fidel?

Mao and the Chinese?

Cambodia and Pol Pot?

TRUE liberals are in the Republican Party.

We hold fast to the ideas and foundation in the Constitution.

And don't flatter yourself, you're not a liberal. You're a Leninist, a Maoist in waiting.

I am a liberal. Most Conservatives are liberals. You're a radical.

"Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy."
James M. Buchanan

Conservatives don't have a single liberal gene in their bodies. I constantly hear you right wing authoritarians try to hijack liberalism. WHY? Are you THAT ashamed to be a conservative?

Here is some stark reality for you. It will rock your self absorbed parochial indoctrination...

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Russia 1917?

The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism...and extreme profiteering.

Mao??

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads." - Combat Liberalism

Radicals?

The closest twin we have in America today to the communists and Marxists in Russia are the 'Marketists'; conservatives, libertarians and 'free marketeers' who have turned government nonintervention and 'laissez faire' into a religion. It has created 'malaise faire'
 
You might want to rethink what you are saying. Why would someone with mittens money want to close loopholes. They help him lower his tax rate to 12%. You must really like to be shoveled shit towards you and enjoy it immensely .
If there was any way possible to change the tax laws in this country, those who have the politicians in their back pockets would have changed them long ago.
So it is you who has things ass backwards.



FYI for our dumber libtard pals (The Waltons control 40% of America's Wealth? :eusa_liar:

Anyways, this is from Politifact, and they lean only slightly more to the left than Karl Marx --

PolitiFact Texas | Michael McCaul says U.S. corporate tax rate is world?s highest at 35 percent



http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/tbb_65.pdf

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President Obama called for lowering the corporate tax rate, BUT, also closing the loopholes.

GUESS who balked at that idea?

I would support a corporate tax rate that rewards for domestic jobs ONLY. And a further reduction if you pay a living wage.

You got it ass-backwards, dewd.

Republicans want lower statutory rates along with closing loopholes.

Or didn't you watch the Romney Campaign at all?

Didn't think so
 
Good for you gramps. I have done very well in sales. But your solution does not really solve our country's problems.

The theory that everyone can make it sounds great, but the reality is no society can function if everyone became a doctor. A society has tasks that must be carried out for society to function.

I sold heavy construction equipment for a Caterpillar dealer. The most productive hydraulic excavator could not lay one foot of sewer line without the guys in the hole placing and connecting the pipe. The most sophisticated asphalt or concrete paver could not pave one foot of highway without the laborers with shovels working behind the machine.

There are many tasks that must be completed for our society to function from stocking shelves, loading and unloading trucks, repairing autos, appliances, etc. etc.etc.. It will always be that way. Everyone who is willing to work hard should earn a fair wage based on the reality of the cost to survive.

A safety net is needed yes. But 1 in 3 Americans on that net is complete bullshit. Earn your way rather that taking Clark Griswalds cousins attitude...."im holding out for management" 12 years later

You know gramps, it is always the right who needs to diminish people and apply their own nefarious reasons someone is not rich. They are 'lazy', or they are 'moochers'

The conservative world view is what's nefarious. We see in America every day assaults by conservatives on unions, public employees, women's rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

You are more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone that can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.

Conservatism throughout human history has always created a aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.

I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.

Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.

So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism, but what you profess is not conservatism, it's narcissism.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

we've got half the country who are on 'socialized' something or other....is this your vision of shangri-la....?

Nation-dependents-Web_0.jpg
 
You might want to rethink what you are saying. Why would someone with mittens money want to close loopholes. They help him lower his tax rate to 12%. You must really like to be shoveled shit towards you and enjoy it immensely .
If there was any way possible to change the tax laws in this country, those who have the politicians in their back pockets would have changed them long ago.
So it is you who has things ass backwards.



President Obama called for lowering the corporate tax rate, BUT, also closing the loopholes.

GUESS who balked at that idea?

I would support a corporate tax rate that rewards for domestic jobs ONLY. And a further reduction if you pay a living wage.

You got it ass-backwards, dewd.

Republicans want lower statutory rates along with closing loopholes.

Or didn't you watch the Romney Campaign at all?

Didn't think so

Right on ~ Retired 749 Boilermaker 65'-90':eusa_angel:
 
Some people cannot handle the truth so they have to make up their lies to support their ideology. But then there are those of us that can see right through all their bullshit.
It's a sad statement to read all the posts from the bootlickers that are posting here.



You might want to rethink what you are saying. Why would someone with mittens money want to close loopholes. They help him lower his tax rate to 12%. You must really like to be shoveled shit towards you and enjoy it immensely .
If there was any way possible to change the tax laws in this country, those who have the politicians in their back pockets would have changed them long ago.
So it is you who has things ass backwards.



You got it ass-backwards, dewd.

Republicans want lower statutory rates along with closing loopholes.

Or didn't you watch the Romney Campaign at all?

Didn't think so

Right on ~ Retired 749 Boilermaker 65'-90':eusa_angel:
 
A safety net is needed yes. But 1 in 3 Americans on that net is complete bullshit. Earn your way rather that taking Clark Griswalds cousins attitude...."im holding out for management" 12 years later

You know gramps, it is always the right who needs to diminish people and apply their own nefarious reasons someone is not rich. They are 'lazy', or they are 'moochers'

The conservative world view is what's nefarious. We see in America every day assaults by conservatives on unions, public employees, women's rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

You are more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone that can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.

Conservatism throughout human history has always created a aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.

I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.

Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.

So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism, but what you profess is not conservatism, it's narcissism.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

we've got half the country who are on 'socialized' something or other....is this your vision of shangri-la....?

Ahh, Capitalism raises it's ugly head!!! Try a living wage dude & stop supporting corporate dead wages. You guys are so slow.......:eusa_whistle:
 
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A safety net is needed yes. But 1 in 3 Americans on that net is complete bullshit. Earn your way rather that taking Clark Griswalds cousins attitude...."im holding out for management" 12 years later

You know gramps, it is always the right who needs to diminish people and apply their own nefarious reasons someone is not rich. They are 'lazy', or they are 'moochers'

The conservative world view is what's nefarious. We see in America every day assaults by conservatives on unions, public employees, women's rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

You are more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone that can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.

Conservatism throughout human history has always created a aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.

I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.

Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.

So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism, but what you profess is not conservatism, it's narcissism.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

we've got half the country who are on 'socialized' something or other....is this your vision of shangri-la....?

Nation-dependents-Web_0.jpg

Something or other? How about the FACTS??

Who are the 47%?

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
The only way conservatives can continue to win elections is to get people to vote against their own best interests. It's hard to get working people to support lower taxes for the wealthy, reduced wages, and a decrease in benefits but you have to give the Republicans credit. They have managed to convince a good percentage of the population that the lazy "takers" in society are to blame. Notice how quickly Fox News started talking about the "takers" once that video was released.

One of the most interesting things about the whole Walmart debate is that during the last election, the corporation donated to both campaigns in pretty much equal amounts. But their employees, overwhelmingly supported Mitt Romney.

The states which voted for Romney, were among the poorest in the US. And we have people in this forum who parrott the notion that US fiscal problems are all rooted in programs for the poor. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants.
 
The only way conservatives can continue to win elections is to get people to vote against their own best interests. It's hard to get working people to support lower taxes for the wealthy, reduced wages, and a decrease in benefits but you have to give the Republicans credit. They have managed to convince a good percentage of the population that the lazy "takers" in society are to blame. Notice how quickly Fox News started talking about the "takers" once that video was released.

One of the most interesting things about the whole Walmart debate is that during the last election, the corporation donated to both campaigns in pretty much equal amounts. But their employees, overwhelmingly supported Mitt Romney.

The states which voted for Romney, were among the poorest in the US. And we have people in this forum who parrott the notion that US fiscal problems are all rooted in programs for the poor. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants.

Those who would rob Peter to pay Paul, can always depend on Paul's vote.
George Bernard Shaw

That's what we have today. Many more Pauls than Peters.
 
Ah I see You have taken on the Avatar of Mr. Snowden! CAREFUL....the leftie want to catch him and cook him because he has done irreparable damage to the OBIESSIAH!

JO
 
Yeah well that just demonstrates how good they are at anything that requires critical thinking.

Let's see now to sum up.....

They are bascially saying that more popple in the cart is better for those pulling the cart than less people in the cart...

Hmmmmm

Yep....Pelosi has Fuxcked around so much dowh there in DC that the STD's are finally eroding her brain tissue...or maybe it's silicon leakage from le grand titons?

JO
 
You might want to rethink what you are saying. Why would someone with mittens money want to close loopholes. They help him lower his tax rate to 12%. You must really like to be shoveled shit towards you and enjoy it immensely .
If there was any way possible to change the tax laws in this country, those who have the politicians in their back pockets would have changed them long ago.
So it is you who has things ass backwards.



President Obama called for lowering the corporate tax rate, BUT, also closing the loopholes.

GUESS who balked at that idea?

I would support a corporate tax rate that rewards for domestic jobs ONLY. And a further reduction if you pay a living wage.

You got it ass-backwards, dewd.

Republicans want lower statutory rates along with closing loopholes.

Or didn't you watch the Romney Campaign at all?

Didn't think so

THINK for a minute.

I know that's tough, but try it.

We're talking INCOME Tax here, genius.

Not Wealth Tax.

There is no such thing as a Wealth Tax in this Country. Yet.

Romney has no Income other than on some stocks and investments which are mostly taxed at the Capital Gains rate.

You wanna talk Capital Gains (like you even know what that is) then fine, let's do it.

You wanna talk Income Tax, stick to Income.

shit
 
You know gramps, it is always the right who needs to diminish people and apply their own nefarious reasons someone is not rich. They are 'lazy', or they are 'moochers'

The conservative world view is what's nefarious. We see in America every day assaults by conservatives on unions, public employees, women's rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

You are more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone that can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.

Conservatism throughout human history has always created a aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.

I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.

Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems.

So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism, but what you profess is not conservatism, it's narcissism.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

'Liberalism' isn't evil, it's what liberalism leads to that is evil.

Do you think the Russian people knew what they were getting into in 1917?

Cuba and Fidel?

Mao and the Chinese?

Cambodia and Pol Pot?

TRUE liberals are in the Republican Party.

We hold fast to the ideas and foundation in the Constitution.

And don't flatter yourself, you're not a liberal. You're a Leninist, a Maoist in waiting.

I am a liberal. Most Conservatives are liberals. You're a radical.

"Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy."
James M. Buchanan

Conservatives don't have a single liberal gene in their bodies. I constantly hear you right wing authoritarians try to hijack liberalism. WHY? Are you THAT ashamed to be a conservative?

Here is some stark reality for you. It will rock your self absorbed parochial indoctrination...

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

Russia 1917?

The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism...and extreme profiteering.

Mao??

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads." - Combat Liberalism

Radicals?

The closest twin we have in America today to the communists and Marxists in Russia are the 'Marketists'; conservatives, libertarians and 'free marketeers' who have turned government nonintervention and 'laissez faire' into a religion. It has created 'malaise faire'

That's some classic truth there. I remember the complete and total custerfluck that was the Bush administration. These guys defended him up to the end. Then after even the most dimwitted could no longer ignore that it was a disaster, Bush was suddenly not a real conservative.

Now they're the REAL liberals. On man, you just can't make this stuff up.
 
Walmart may cancel three planned D.C. stores over livable wage act | WJLA.com

Untold jobs are being lost because of stupid liberal policies like these. Wonder why jobs are so slow to return? Wonder no more, an example is right here staring you in the face.

So what's better, a few hundred a month in welfare or a thousand+ in EARNED wages with the potential for growth?

Walmart may cancel three planned D.C. stores over livable wage act | WJLA.com

Untold jobs are being lost because of stupid liberal policies like these. Wonder why jobs are so slow to return? Wonder no more, an example is right here staring you in the face.

So what's better, a few hundred a month in welfare or a thousand+ in EARNED wages with the potential for growth?

It's been estimated that a Walmart store creates about 115 jobs while the independent stores it replaces required about 169 jobs. Fuck Walmart.

Hmmm I'd like to see that link...

Most of the Walmart stores that I know of employ around 300/per including jobs down at the main office for support.

Now I will give yoy that a low wage Walmart Employee probably takes about as much government assistance as the avearge chronically unemployed person and most likely with not a hell of a lot more ot show for it...except maybe self respect.

In the mean time if we combone Sams club and walmart in the US....for a total of 4,625 stores and divde that into the 1.2 million US employees we have....an average of 259 per store and I'm not sure that Sams should be included. Doing the math without Sams leaves us at 299/store...either way they are easily the US's largest employer.

WalMart Company Profile - NYJobSource.com


JO
 
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Now there's a good point and a relevant point...

There's no questoin that a Walmart wage is also a government subsidized wage.....

JO
 
Walmart may cancel three planned D.C. stores over livable wage act | WJLA.com

Untold jobs are being lost because of stupid liberal policies like these. Wonder why jobs are so slow to return? Wonder no more, an example is right here staring you in the face.

So what's better, a few hundred a month in welfare or a thousand+ in EARNED wages with the potential for growth?

Walmart may cancel three planned D.C. stores over livable wage act | WJLA.com

Untold jobs are being lost because of stupid liberal policies like these. Wonder why jobs are so slow to return? Wonder no more, an example is right here staring you in the face.

So what's better, a few hundred a month in welfare or a thousand+ in EARNED wages with the potential for growth?

It's been estimated that a Walmart store creates about 115 jobs while the independent stores it replaces required about 169 jobs. Fuck Walmart.

Hmmm I'd like to see that link...

Most of the Walmart stores that I know of employ around 300/per including jobs down at the main office for support.

Now I will give yoy that a low wage Walmart Employee probably takes about as much government assistance as the avearge chronically unemployed person and most likely with not a hell of a lot more ot show for it...except maybe self respect.

In the mean time if we combone Sams club and walmart in the US....for a total of 4,625 stores and divde that into the 1.2 million US employees we have....an average of 259 per store and I'm not sure that Sams should be included. Doing the math without Sams leaves us at 299/store...either way they are easily the US's largest employer.

WalMart Company Profile - NYJobSource.com


JO

When the Walmart superstore near me came in, it was built about a half mile from a K-mart and a very large P&C supermarket. Both of the latter are gone. And that was only part of it.

When you start counting jobs 'created' by Walmart, you have to count net jobs, of course, that ruins the propaganda.
 
Give it another few years...

And a little investment in infrastructure...

WalMart Folk will finally unionize...

And shut down WalMart once or twice with short-term Strikes...

Next thing you know...

WalMart will outsource damned-near everything...

The cashiers will be video-projected faces sitting at a desk someplace in India or China or Mexico or Slovakia or sumfin'...

Ditto for greeters, Customer Service Desk types, ,etc...

And they'll farm-out the shelf-stocking jobs, bakery, deli, etc., to subcontractors...

If the model works, they'd almost certainly roll it out, worldwide.

Would the model work?

Dunno.

Maybe not.

But if anybody has the money and muscle to attempt such a model, it would be those guys.

A future case-study in Union-Busting in the classical sense.
 
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