Legal pot in Colorado claims it's first victim

Work for what? You'd have to drink it to feel the effects of the acid.

Inhaling the vapor wouldn't do it?

It might. The first trip of the scientist who first extracted it had it absorbed through his skin. I'm not sure what the evaporation point of LSD is, but I think spiking the bong water with it would be a waste of LSD. Better to spike your OJ and make some Orange Sunshine.

LSD in bong water wouldn't be the best way to gauge a dosage. A normal hit of LSD is between 90-150 micro-grams....which is the next thing to nothing....hard to measure a dosage like that in bong water. The heavy hitters would cap out at around 700 micro-grams, still very small amount to measure.....or so I've been told.
 
The only way you can make that argument is to legalize pot and the check the stats 30 years later.

In the first three weeks after pot was "legalized" in Colorado, there were numerous auto accidents in Colorado that were attributed to "DWH" Driving high. One crash involved a high person crashing into a Denver PD patrol car. Unfortunately, the officers had no way to conduct field sobriety tests (no such thing) for pot so they weren't charged as such. The Bullshit legislature NOW has made DWH a moving violation. Go figure.

There are field sobriety tests for pot.



Colorado plans media blitz warning against driving stoned - CBS News

Perhaps you should do a little reading
A strong public education program is the way to discourage DUI marijuana. Public education is the way smoking cigarettes was reduced by more than fifty percent without arresting anyone.

If it is well-planned and competently produced it will work.
 

Yep, they know there's going to be an increase now of impaired drivers.
Drunk driving was bad enough, once a state legalizes pot, they'll now have a new issue to deal with. Pot users behind the wheel.
Because before legalization, nobody ever drove on pot? How many people were arrested for being impaired on pot? Any?

There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.


Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths


During each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999, according to a new study from Columbia University published in*the American Journal of Epidemiology.

“The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.

"Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

Alcohol remains, by far, the most common mind-altering substance detected in dead drivers, observed in the blood of nearly 40 percent of those who perished across six states during 2010, the Columbia study notes. (That rate remained stable between 1999 and 2010.)

Cannabinol, a remnant of marijuana, was found in 12.2 percent of those deceased drivers during 2010, (up from 4.2 percent in 1999). Pot was the most common non-alcoholic drug detected by those toxicology screenings.

“The increased availability of marijuana and increased acceptance of marijuana use” are fueling the higher rate of cannabinol found in dead drivers, Li told NBC News.

Researchers limited their analysis to California and five others states where toxicology screenings are routinely conducted within an hour of a traffic death. They note that California allowed medical marijuana in 2004. Since then, California has posted “marked increases in driver fatalities testing positive for marijuana,” Li said.

"The number of deaths will grow," Cordova said. "I'm scared."

Minutes after the crash that killed Cordova's niece, Tanya Guevara, and Guevara's 5-week-old son, police arrested the driver who struck Guevara's car. Steven Ryan, then 22, admitted to smoking pot earlier that day, according to court records. Ryan later pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2012.

Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths - NBC News
 
There are field sobriety tests for pot.



Colorado plans media blitz warning against driving stoned - CBS News

Perhaps you should do a little reading
A strong public education program is the way to discourage DUI marijuana. Public education is the way smoking cigarettes was reduced by more than fifty percent without arresting anyone.

If it is well-planned and competently produced it will work.
That might work if there was such a thing as DUI marijuana that impairs your driving and doesn't actually make you more focused. :D
 
A strong public education program is the way to discourage DUI marijuana. Public education is the way smoking cigarettes was reduced by more than fifty percent without arresting anyone.

If it is well-planned and competently produced it will work.
That might work if there was such a thing as DUI marijuana that impairs your driving and doesn't actually make you more focused. :D

See above post, or are you too high ?
 
Work for what? You'd have to drink it to feel the effects of the acid.

Inhaling the vapor wouldn't do it?

It might. The first trip of the scientist who first extracted it had it absorbed through his skin. I'm not sure what the evaporation point of LSD is, but I think spiking the bong water with it would be a waste of LSD. Better to spike your OJ and make some Orange Sunshine.

back in the 70's i did some Orange Sunshine with a couple other guys at Disney Land.....pretty mellow stuff if i remember right....
 
Inhaling the vapor wouldn't do it?

It might. The first trip of the scientist who first extracted it had it absorbed through his skin. I'm not sure what the evaporation point of LSD is, but I think spiking the bong water with it would be a waste of LSD. Better to spike your OJ and make some Orange Sunshine.

LSD in bong water wouldn't be the best way to gauge a dosage. A normal hit of LSD is between 90-150 micro-grams....which is the next thing to nothing....hard to measure a dosage like that in bong water. The heavy hitters would cap out at around 700 micro-grams, still very small amount to measure.....or so I've been told.

no it wasnt me.....:eusa_angel:
 
There are field sobriety tests for pot.



Colorado plans media blitz warning against driving stoned - CBS News

Perhaps you should do a little reading
A strong public education program is the way to discourage DUI marijuana. Public education is the way smoking cigarettes was reduced by more than fifty percent without arresting anyone.

If it is well-planned and competently produced it will work.

it doesnt seem to work with those dam drinkers though....
 
Yep, they know there's going to be an increase now of impaired drivers.
Drunk driving was bad enough, once a state legalizes pot, they'll now have a new issue to deal with. Pot users behind the wheel.
Because before legalization, nobody ever drove on pot? How many people were arrested for being impaired on pot? Any?

There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.


Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths


During each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999, according to a new study from Columbia University published in*the American Journal of Epidemiology.

“The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.

"Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

Alcohol remains, by far, the most common mind-altering substance detected in dead drivers, observed in the blood of nearly 40 percent of those who perished across six states during 2010, the Columbia study notes. (That rate remained stable between 1999 and 2010.)

Cannabinol, a remnant of marijuana, was found in 12.2 percent of those deceased drivers during 2010, (up from 4.2 percent in 1999). Pot was the most common non-alcoholic drug detected by those toxicology screenings.

“The increased availability of marijuana and increased acceptance of marijuana use” are fueling the higher rate of cannabinol found in dead drivers, Li told NBC News.

Researchers limited their analysis to California and five others states where toxicology screenings are routinely conducted within an hour of a traffic death. They note that California allowed medical marijuana in 2004. Since then, California has posted “marked increases in driver fatalities testing positive for marijuana,” Li said.

"The number of deaths will grow," Cordova said. "I'm scared."

Minutes after the crash that killed Cordova's niece, Tanya Guevara, and Guevara's 5-week-old son, police arrested the driver who struck Guevara's car. Steven Ryan, then 22, admitted to smoking pot earlier that day, according to court records. Ryan later pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2012.

Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths - NBC News

here let me counteract that.....

If Medical Marijuana Laws Cause A 'Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths,' Why Are Fatalities Falling? - Forbes

also the link i posted earlier in the thread said that in the 17 years since California enacted their Med Pot law backs up much of what this guy stated.....also usage has not gone up liked the Paranoids said it would.....and in this State it is almost legal....
 
and take full responsibility for what happens afterward....you wanna get in a car and drive....you are responsible if you fuck up....

That isn't much comfort to the survivors when one pothead takes out a family of five.

it aint much comfort to family of 5 coming home from a family get together when one of your drunken friends plows into their car going the wrong way on a freeway is it?....ill tell you what Katz you list all the people killed by people driving doing Pot....ill list all the Drunk driving fatalities.....if you reach 30 ill ban myself for a month.....if i reach 30 you do the same.....lets see who is here next week.....deal?....

Katz?.....tap tap tap.....does this thing work?....
 
Yep, they know there's going to be an increase now of impaired drivers.
Drunk driving was bad enough, once a state legalizes pot, they'll now have a new issue to deal with. Pot users behind the wheel.
Because before legalization, nobody ever drove on pot? How many people were arrested for being impaired on pot? Any?

There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.


Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths


During each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999, according to a new study from Columbia University published in*the American Journal of Epidemiology.

“The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.

"Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

Alcohol remains, by far, the most common mind-altering substance detected in dead drivers, observed in the blood of nearly 40 percent of those who perished across six states during 2010, the Columbia study notes. (That rate remained stable between 1999 and 2010.)

Cannabinol, a remnant of marijuana, was found in 12.2 percent of those deceased drivers during 2010, (up from 4.2 percent in 1999). Pot was the most common non-alcoholic drug detected by those toxicology screenings.

“The increased availability of marijuana and increased acceptance of marijuana use” are fueling the higher rate of cannabinol found in dead drivers, Li told NBC News.

Researchers limited their analysis to California and five others states where toxicology screenings are routinely conducted within an hour of a traffic death. They note that California allowed medical marijuana in 2004. Since then, California has posted “marked increases in driver fatalities testing positive for marijuana,” Li said.

"The number of deaths will grow," Cordova said. "I'm scared."

Minutes after the crash that killed Cordova's niece, Tanya Guevara, and Guevara's 5-week-old son, police arrested the driver who struck Guevara's car. Steven Ryan, then 22, admitted to smoking pot earlier that day, according to court records. Ryan later pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2012.

Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths - NBC News

It still doesn't mean that the drivers were impaired by Marijuana when they crashed. All it means is that they ingested some form of marijuana within the last 30 days or so.
 
Inhaling the vapor wouldn't do it?

It might. The first trip of the scientist who first extracted it had it absorbed through his skin. I'm not sure what the evaporation point of LSD is, but I think spiking the bong water with it would be a waste of LSD. Better to spike your OJ and make some Orange Sunshine.

back in the 70's i did some Orange Sunshine with a couple other guys at Disney Land.....pretty mellow stuff if i remember right....

:eusa_angel:
 
Yep, they know there's going to be an increase now of impaired drivers.
Drunk driving was bad enough, once a state legalizes pot, they'll now have a new issue to deal with. Pot users behind the wheel.
Because before legalization, nobody ever drove on pot? How many people were arrested for being impaired on pot? Any?

There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.


Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths


During each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999, according to a new study from Columbia University published in*the American Journal of Epidemiology.

“The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.

"Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

Alcohol remains, by far, the most common mind-altering substance detected in dead drivers, observed in the blood of nearly 40 percent of those who perished across six states during 2010, the Columbia study notes. (That rate remained stable between 1999 and 2010.)

Cannabinol, a remnant of marijuana, was found in 12.2 percent of those deceased drivers during 2010, (up from 4.2 percent in 1999). Pot was the most common non-alcoholic drug detected by those toxicology screenings.

“The increased availability of marijuana and increased acceptance of marijuana use” are fueling the higher rate of cannabinol found in dead drivers, Li told NBC News.

Researchers limited their analysis to California and five others states where toxicology screenings are routinely conducted within an hour of a traffic death. They note that California allowed medical marijuana in 2004. Since then, California has posted “marked increases in driver fatalities testing positive for marijuana,” Li said.

"The number of deaths will grow," Cordova said. "I'm scared."

Minutes after the crash that killed Cordova's niece, Tanya Guevara, and Guevara's 5-week-old son, police arrested the driver who struck Guevara's car. Steven Ryan, then 22, admitted to smoking pot earlier that day, according to court records. Ryan later pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2012.

Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths - NBC News

Again you fail to understand that testing positive for THC and being high are two completely different things. But i guess you will either continue to live in ignorance or ignore this to push your agenda.
 
Because before legalization, nobody ever drove on pot? How many people were arrested for being impaired on pot? Any?

There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.


Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths


During each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999, according to a new study from Columbia University published in*the American Journal of Epidemiology.

“The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.

"Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

Alcohol remains, by far, the most common mind-altering substance detected in dead drivers, observed in the blood of nearly 40 percent of those who perished across six states during 2010, the Columbia study notes. (That rate remained stable between 1999 and 2010.)

Cannabinol, a remnant of marijuana, was found in 12.2 percent of those deceased drivers during 2010, (up from 4.2 percent in 1999). Pot was the most common non-alcoholic drug detected by those toxicology screenings.

“The increased availability of marijuana and increased acceptance of marijuana use” are fueling the higher rate of cannabinol found in dead drivers, Li told NBC News.

Researchers limited their analysis to California and five others states where toxicology screenings are routinely conducted within an hour of a traffic death. They note that California allowed medical marijuana in 2004. Since then, California has posted “marked increases in driver fatalities testing positive for marijuana,” Li said.

"The number of deaths will grow," Cordova said. "I'm scared."

Minutes after the crash that killed Cordova's niece, Tanya Guevara, and Guevara's 5-week-old son, police arrested the driver who struck Guevara's car. Steven Ryan, then 22, admitted to smoking pot earlier that day, according to court records. Ryan later pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2012.

Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths - NBC News

Again you fail to understand that testing positive for THC and being high are two completely different things. But i guess you will either continue to live in ignorance or ignore this to push your agenda.

Oh I have an agenda, okay, sorry for wanting to keep the availability of another drug out of the hands of kids to a minimum.
Once pot is legal everywhere, the availability will increase and the likliehood of kids getting started using will increase.
Excuse me for not being a cheerleader for another substance to go mainstream.
But yeah, I know, what you tweekers want is more important.
 
It might. The first trip of the scientist who first extracted it had it absorbed through his skin. I'm not sure what the evaporation point of LSD is, but I think spiking the bong water with it would be a waste of LSD. Better to spike your OJ and make some Orange Sunshine.

LSD in bong water wouldn't be the best way to gauge a dosage. A normal hit of LSD is between 90-150 micro-grams....which is the next thing to nothing....hard to measure a dosage like that in bong water. The heavy hitters would cap out at around 700 micro-grams, still very small amount to measure.....or so I've been told.

no it wasnt me.....:eusa_angel:

You remind me of a 4 way hit windowpane sort of a guy. :eusa_eh:
 
There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.
That will depend entirely on the effectiveness of the public education program, which should include saturation publicizing of DUI pot arrests and punishments.

Public education is the way cigarette smoking was decreased by more than 50% -- in spite of the fact that cigarette addiction is more tenaciously addictive than heroin! I know this from personal experience because I smoked cigarettes for thirty-five years and public education convinced me to quit, which I did in 1985.

It should be some consolation for the Reefer Madness group to know there is a significant difference in the effects of DUI marijuana and DUI alcohol -- as any experienced highway cop will attest. Drunk drivers are aggressive, they drive erratically, and they speed. Stoned drivers are not aggressive, they are able to control their vehicle, but they tend to drive below the speed limit -- which is how the cops pick them out. (They drive slow and are smiling.)
 
There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.
That will depend entirely on the effectiveness of the public education program, which should include saturation publicizing of DUI pot arrests and punishments.

Public education is the way cigarette smoking was decreased by more than 50% -- in spite of the fact that cigarette addiction is more tenaciously addictive than heroin! I know this from personal experience because I smoked cigarettes for thirty-five years and public education convinced me to quit, which I did in 1985.

It should be some consolation for the Reefer Madness group to know there is a significant difference in the effects of DUI marijuana and DUI alcohol -- as any experienced highway cop will attest. Drunk drivers are aggressive, they drive erratically, and they speed. Stoned drivers are not aggressive, they are able to control their vehicle, but they tend to drive below the speed limit -- which is how the cops pick them out. (They drive slow and are smiling.)

Most of my friends and family members who quit smoking was because it became too expensive for them.....true story
 
There's always been potheads behind the wheel, however once you legalize it either medically or recreationally, the availability will mean more use and therefore more impaired drivers.
That will depend entirely on the effectiveness of the public education program, which should include saturation publicizing of DUI pot arrests and punishments.

Public education is the way cigarette smoking was decreased by more than 50% -- in spite of the fact that cigarette addiction is more tenaciously addictive than heroin! I know this from personal experience because I smoked cigarettes for thirty-five years and public education convinced me to quit, which I did in 1985.

It should be some consolation for the Reefer Madness group to know there is a significant difference in the effects of DUI marijuana and DUI alcohol -- as any experienced highway cop will attest. Drunk drivers are aggressive, they drive erratically, and they speed. Stoned drivers are not aggressive, they are able to control their vehicle, but they tend to drive below the speed limit -- which is how the cops pick them out. (They drive slow and are smiling.)

There's no doubt that alcohol impaired individuals are going to be aggressive as opposed to the docile pot smokers. However, as far as driving goes impairment is impairment and both can be dangerous on the hiway.
 
There's no doubt that alcohol impaired individuals are going to be aggressive as opposed to the docile pot smokers. However, as far as driving goes impairment is impairment and both can be dangerous on the hiway.
As mentioned, ask an experienced highway cop about that.

You can also Google up L.E.A.P. (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) and ask one of those police officers who are opposed to marijuana prohibition. They will tell you what I've told you. Stoned driving is not good, but stoned drivers are not nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

Again -- ask a cop!
 

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