Liberals and Democrats... a simple question for you.

[Contumacious]

This isn't american, it's downright fascist terrorism.

Fascist terrorism ? You said, well what the fuck do you think of this?

It’s obvious why the majority has cooked up this amendment in secret, has introduced it in the middle of a snowstorm, has scheduled the Senate to come in session at midnight, has scheduled a vote for 1 a.m., is insisting that it be passed before Christmas — because they don’t want the American people to know what’s in it,” said

Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee.

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[JakeStarkey]

A senate CR without ACA cuts has been sent back to the House.

This is on the House, podjos.

 

[OriginalShroom]

A senate CR without ACA cuts has been sent back to the House.

This is on the House, podjos.

Budget bills must start in the HOUSE..

Read the Constitution for a change.

 

[Hoffstra]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

The Senate has voted on the House bills over and over again.

Every time, they vote to change them, not to leave them alone.

Now its time for the House to vote on the Senate bills.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

The Senate has voted on the House bills over and over again.

Every time, they vote to change them, not to leave them alone.

Now its time for the House to vote on the Senate bills.

What was the Senate yeas and nays on the bills passed this past week by the House?

You are quite wrong.

Reid has refused to allow the bills to come for a vote, declaring them dead on arrival.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

The Senate has voted on the House bills over and over again.

Every time, they vote to change them, not to leave them alone.

Now its time for the House to vote on the Senate bills.

What was the Senate yeas and nays on the bills passed this past week by the House?

You are quite wrong.

Reid has refused to allow the bills to come for a vote, declaring them dead on arrival.

Hey asshole.

I spent a fucking minute of my life answering your stupid question.

Is there some reason why you have decided to pretend I did not? Is it too cerebral?

 

[Rozman]

Maybe we should really let the you know what hit the fan...
Maybe then we will realize it's time to stop spending more then we take in
and not have to borrow money to fund all these Liberal spending programs.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Maybe we should really let the you know what hit the fan...
Maybe then we will realize it's time to stop spending more then we take in
and not have to borrow money to fund all these Liberal spending programs.

We do not have a debt crisis.

Simpletons think this. Economists do not.

Do a little research. Open your mind.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

Because the ACA isn’t a ‘bill,’ it’s Federal law.

Because the Chief Executive doesn’t ‘vote’ concerning pending legislation.

Because funding the government and ensuring the debts are paid have nothing to do with the ACA.

In fact, the president has nothing to do with the legislative process at all.

Moreover, there’s nothing to ‘negotiate’ concerning existing Federal law in existence for three years.

Republicans are at liberty to amend or repeal the ACA once they’ve discharged their responsibility concerning funding the government.

And the president and Reid are more than willing to sit down with republicans and discuss current, unresolved, pending budget issues, Indeed, Reid has agreed to allow the current sequester limits remain in place.

Last, it’s not OK for Boehner to refuse to prevent the House from voting on the clean CR because he’s afraid it will pass.

 

[Hoffstra]

What was the Senate yeas and nays on the bills passed this past week by the House?

You are quite wrong.

Reid has refused to allow the bills to come for a vote, declaring them dead on arrival.

the Senate has voted again and again on the House bills.

they never get approved.

they always get changed to remove the crap.

deal with it.

now its time for the House to vote on the Senate version.

 

[hazlnut]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

No reasonable person in the UNITED STATES thinks that the twice elected President nor the Democratically controlled Senate need to discuss, negotiate, rehash the ACA at this point.

You can't defund a mandatory spending LAW with some vague language in a CR. This is idiotic to even discuss.

IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND. Get over it.

Maybe if the far-right had allowed Romney to talk about how he'd fix the ACA, make it work like Health Care in Mass., then he might have won the election!!! Once again you allowed the extremists to tell the reasonable moderates what to do.

 

[OriginalShroom]

The Senate has voted on the House bills over and over again.

Every time, they vote to change them, not to leave them alone.

Now its time for the House to vote on the Senate bills.

What was the Senate yeas and nays on the bills passed this past week by the House?

You are quite wrong.

Reid has refused to allow the bills to come for a vote, declaring them dead on arrival.

Hey asshole.

I spent a fucking minute of my life answering your stupid question.

Is there some reason why you have decided to pretend I did not? Is it too cerebral?

No, it's because you lied in your so-called "answer".

 

[politicalnot]

Democrats hold 2/3's and Republican's hold 1/3. There is a reason the HoR are elected every two years and the Senate every six years.

If I were leading the Democrats I would wish it to be shutdown right up to the election. I'd give the Tea Party their wish.

 

[DaGoose]

Democrats hold 2/3's and Republican's hold 1/3. There is a reason the HoR are elected every two years and the Senate every four years.

If I were leading the Democrats I would wish it to be shutdown right up to the election. I'd give the Tea Party their wish.

Actually Senators are elected to 6 year terms.

And to answer the OP's question on "why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills" is very simple. Because as the President, Obama doesn't vote on bills. Period.

And the reason Boehner won't hold a vote is because the Tea Party is in strict control of the GOP now and said they do not want a vote. The true Speaker of the House is now Ted Cruz. Anyone who believes otherwise is just fooling him/herself.

Anyway....you wingnuts are getting your wish that "true conservatives" (by your definition) are now running the show for the GOP instead of RINO's. Let's see how that works for you.

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[Sallow]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

Because ACA has been debated over and over. Repubs lost everytime and everytime they lose they say "Why wont you compromise with us? You're mean!"

Its like the winning Football team agreeing to change the score to a tie because the losers are whining about it.

Where did Shroom mention the ACA?

How about this. We defund ObamaCare..and fund the ACA.

Will that work?

 

[Sallow]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

No reasonable person in the UNITED STATES thinks that the twice elected President nor the Democratically controlled Senate need to discuss, negotiate, rehash the ACA at this point.

You can't defund a mandatory spending LAW with some vague language in a CR. This is idiotic to even discuss.

IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND. Get over it.

Maybe if the far-right had allowed Romney to talk about how he'd fix the ACA, make it work like Health Care in Mass., then he might have won the election!!! Once again you allowed the extremists to tell the reasonable moderates what to do.

If he capitulates on this...quite possibly the next "compromise" will be to resign and let Ted Cruz take over..

 

[candycorn]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

Because ACA has been debated over and over. Repubs lost everytime and everytime they lose they say "Why wont you compromise with us? You're mean!"

Its like the winning Football team agreeing to change the score to a tie because the losers are whining about it.

It is the job of the HoR to put forward the will of their constituents.. and funny that after Obamalamacare was passed, there was a drastic shift to representatives that were against Obamacare and vowing to get rid of it in any way possible... it is not the job of the HoR to just cave to the senate and executive because another party controls them

You got it passed without a single republican vote.. now try and fund it without one

Party over principle...the GOP way.

There were a lot of close votes in the history of the Congress. Should parties just force the bills to be re-legislated because the current make up of congress is different now?

 

[candycorn]

It's no "okay" for either house of Congress to be able to ignore the work of the other.

This is why we need to reform the Constitution so antics like what Reid and Boehner are pulling can be outlawed. Currently, the Constitution is silent on the rules of the Houses of Congress. I've looked and I cannot find where it requires 50.1% voting "yea" to pass a bill; can you? I stand to be corrected but I asked earlier and others couldn't find it on this forum either. We need to give a voice to the Constitution where it is silent on this matter.

The bill sent to the House by the Senate or the bill sent to the Senate by the House must be voted on within, lets say 60 days...20 days...whatever. In it's current form, no add-ons. Then the members either vote to work on their House's version of the bill or not. After that, it is written that conferees are appointed. At this point, politics will take over and the selector of conferees will decide what will happen in conference committee. Politicians are political creatures of course and there is no way to completely divorce the acts from the actors.

The goal isn't to be able to ram bills through and the goal isn't to make bill signage easier or more common. The goal isn't even to break the stalemate--that is the job of the voters. The goal of adding a voice to the Constitution where it is currently silent is to force a vote--a consideration--of one House's work by the other; so one person--be it Tip O'Neil, Newt Gingrich, Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner, Tom Foley, Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell can't stop the vote. This will allow you to know how your elected representative voted. Congress, legislatively, speaks with one voice. It always has. No bill has ever been sent to the President to sign with input from only one house of Congress.

Right now, Congress isn't talking...Obama doesn't have a bill to sign. It is the equivalent to having a burned out light bulb in your kitchen. Congress isn't working.

 

[Seawytch]

Why is it ok for Obama and Reid to refuse to vote on bills that have passed the House and refuse to sit down and discuss a compromise with the Republicans...

Yet it's not OK for Boehner to hold the same strick line?

Because ACA has been debated over and over. Repubs lost everytime and everytime they lose they say "Why wont you compromise with us? You're mean!"

Its like the winning Football team agreeing to change the score to a tie because the losers are whining about it.

It is the job of the HoR to put forward the will of their constituents.. and funny that after Obamalamacare was passed, there was a drastic shift to representatives that were against Obamacare and vowing to get rid of it in any way possible... it is not the job of the HoR to just cave to the senate and executive because another party controls them

You got it passed without a single republican vote.. now try and fund it without one

Yes, it passed without any "help" from the Republicans. Now why is that? Could it be because the Republicans said from the get-go that they would do everything in their power to stop Health Care reform?

Something else passed without a single vote from "the other side"...now what was that. Oh yeah, the Bush tax cuts....passed by reconciliation and with Darth Cheney as the tie breaker...imagine that!

Now imagine for a moment that it is 2006 and Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House. She decides to put forth a budget that ends the Bush tax cuts for the richest one percent and says she will shut down the government if the Senate doesn't pass her bill.

How fast would the GOP and all the RW nutters here be calling for her head one wonders?

 

[nicolondon]

If you reverse the situation lets say the GOP had the Senate and WH and Dems had the House, what would the reaction be by the GOP if the Dems refused to fund the government unless they could defund a piece of legislation. This whole delay of the Individual Mandate for a year is a red herring, because they'll just try and find another way of trying to water down the ACA.

If Obama caves in here then a precedent will be set for the future and this could well end up causing problems for a future GOP President. So this year its the ACA what will it be next time? Whats the next law the GOP don't like? The hypocrisy of the GOP here is really quite nauseating, if the situation was reversed they'd be screaming how outrageous the situation was. The fact is they haven't come up with an alternative health care plan which they should have done at the last election, its okay saying something is rubbish but if you're going to do that give the electorate a decent alternative. As it is they didn't and lost the election. If they want to get rid of the ACA then they need to win elections and start picking candidates that have a chance of doing that.