Liberals, let's make a deal - Guns & Abortion

[Luissa]

So, abortion is a "Constitutional right." Guns are in the Bill of Rights. So, let's apply things that are hunky dory for you with guns to abortion.

- Let's heavily tax abortions
- Let's make people apply for a permit from government to get one
- Let's let government deny the right to get one to people who are unstable in any way and can't rationally make the choice for themselves.
- Let's allow cities and States who don't want them to just ban them outright.

So what do you say? Can all Constitutional rights be subject to your rules on guns?

Isn't that what republicans are trying to do?
Regulate abortions?
You are an idiot.

Another liberal whiff. You even understand the question and YOU are calling ME an idiot?

I will put it this way, you want to regulate abortions more than I want to regulate guns.

 

[Vox]

Kaz, you can represent only yourself on the deal.

murder in utero is NOT a constituational "right" no matter what leftards lie.

OK, Vox, I've read a lot of posts and you're smarter than that. The point is that liberals are running around with all these gun restrictions and saying it's fine to tax, regulate and so forth. But when it comes to something they want, then they don't support any of those things. Look how they just avoid the question, even they see their hypocrisy.

As for me, I wouldn't take the deal either. I am pro-choice, but I agree with you there is no Constitutional right to an abortion. Roe v. Wade is a Constitutional abomination. Abortion is a State issue by the 10th amendment. I also oppose gun laws.

This thread isn't to debate those issues though, it's to demonstrate the flagrant liberal hypocrisy regarding Constitutional rights. But if I don't do that according to their own views by arguing things like whether abortion is a right or not, I won't be showing the hypocrisy.

I know what your point is. I just tell you that you can make this deal on your behalf only, not like a group deal for all conservatives.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, abortion is a "Constitutional right." Guns are in the Bill of Rights. So, let's apply things that are hunky dory for you with guns to abortion.

- Let's heavily tax abortions
- Let's make people apply for a permit from government to get one
- Let's let government deny the right to get one to people who are unstable in any way and can't rationally make the choice for themselves.
- Let's allow cities and States who don't want them to just ban them outright.

So what do you say? Can all Constitutional rights be subject to your rules on guns?

How about we compare the constitutional right of abortion to the constitutional right of practicing the religion of your choice instead?

Seriously, you don't even grasp this thread? The point is your double standard about guns versus abortion. ...

You want convicted felons who have committed gun crimes to be able to buy a gun,

no questions asked,

because a convicted felon who is pregnant can obtain an abortion?

Do you want Katzndogz's tltle as least intelligent poster on USMB for yourself? Is that your real goal here?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The difference being abortion laws affect no one but the person having the abortion, Gun laws affect "everyone"

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

Do you understand that the Supreme Court has the authority to weigh the public interest vs. the individual right when assessing the constitutionality of various laws that might impact rights?

Do you reject the legitimacy of that authority?

 

[kaz]

Kaz, you can represent only yourself on the deal.

murder in utero is NOT a constituational "right" no matter what leftards lie.

OK, Vox, I've read a lot of posts and you're smarter than that. The point is that liberals are running around with all these gun restrictions and saying it's fine to tax, regulate and so forth. But when it comes to something they want, then they don't support any of those things. Look how they just avoid the question, even they see their hypocrisy.

As for me, I wouldn't take the deal either. I am pro-choice, but I agree with you there is no Constitutional right to an abortion. Roe v. Wade is a Constitutional abomination. Abortion is a State issue by the 10th amendment. I also oppose gun laws.

This thread isn't to debate those issues though, it's to demonstrate the flagrant liberal hypocrisy regarding Constitutional rights. But if I don't do that according to their own views by arguing things like whether abortion is a right or not, I won't be showing the hypocrisy.

I know what your point is. I just tell you that you can make this deal on your behalf only, not like a group deal for all conservatives.

No, apparently you don't know what my point is.

 

[kaz]

How about we compare the constitutional right of abortion to the constitutional right of practicing the religion of your choice instead?

Seriously, you don't even grasp this thread? The point is your double standard about guns versus abortion. ...

You want convicted felons who have committed gun crimes to be able to buy a gun,

no questions asked,

because a convicted felon who is pregnant can obtain an abortion?

Do you want Katzndogz's tltle as least intelligent poster on USMB for yourself? Is that your real goal here?

You're seriously stupid. Your inane babbling have zero to do with the discussion or my point.

 

[kaz]

The difference being abortion laws affect no one but the person having the abortion, Gun laws affect "everyone"

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

Do you understand that the Supreme Court has the authority to weigh the public interest vs. the individual right when assessing the constitutionality of various laws that might impact rights?

Do you reject the legitimacy of that authority?

Hell fucking yeah I reject the legitimacy of that authority because they have zero right to do that. It's treason and they should be put against the wall for it.

 

[Missourian]

The point is, if some pro-lifer proposes a "reasonable" restriction on abortion...the pre-choicers go apeshit. "A sonogram infringes on the right to abortion!!!!!!!!!"

But at the same time can't understand why 2nd amendment supporters do the same, the gun-grabbers (and there is indeed a great deal of overlap here) can't seem to understand the pushback.

The difference is, EVERY abortion ends a life.

A miniscule number of guns purchased are used to commit a crime.

 

[Vox]

OK, Vox, I've read a lot of posts and you're smarter than that. The point is that liberals are running around with all these gun restrictions and saying it's fine to tax, regulate and so forth. But when it comes to something they want, then they don't support any of those things. Look how they just avoid the question, even they see their hypocrisy.

As for me, I wouldn't take the deal either. I am pro-choice, but I agree with you there is no Constitutional right to an abortion. Roe v. Wade is a Constitutional abomination. Abortion is a State issue by the 10th amendment. I also oppose gun laws.

This thread isn't to debate those issues though, it's to demonstrate the flagrant liberal hypocrisy regarding Constitutional rights. But if I don't do that according to their own views by arguing things like whether abortion is a right or not, I won't be showing the hypocrisy.

I know what your point is. I just tell you that you can make this deal on your behalf only, not like a group deal for all conservatives.

No, apparently you don't know what my point is.

if the point is just sardonic laugh, I can agree with that

 

[NYcarbineer]

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

Do you understand that the Supreme Court has the authority to weigh the public interest vs. the individual right when assessing the constitutionality of various laws that might impact rights?

Do you reject the legitimacy of that authority?

Hell fucking yeah I reject the legitimacy of that authority because they have zero right to do that. It's treason and they should be put against the wall for it.

It's treason for the Supreme Court to uphold the constitutionality of laws that criminalize the publication of child pornography,

because freedom of the press can have zero limitations.

You see? This is your problem, in a nutshell. You're nuts.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Seriously, you don't even grasp this thread? The point is your double standard about guns versus abortion. ...

You want convicted felons who have committed gun crimes to be able to buy a gun,

no questions asked,

because a convicted felon who is pregnant can obtain an abortion?

Do you want Katzndogz's tltle as least intelligent poster on USMB for yourself? Is that your real goal here?

You're seriously stupid. Your inane babbling have zero to do with the discussion or my point.

You just made the point that the Supreme Court has ZERO right to consider the public good.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The difference being abortion laws affect no one but the person having the abortion, Gun laws affect "everyone"

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

The Constitution was written by government. Everything in it in regards to rights was granted by the government.

 

[Missourian]

The difference being abortion laws affect no one but the person having the abortion, Gun laws affect "everyone"

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

The Constitution was written by government. Everything in it in regards to rights was granted by the government.

Have you actually read the Bill of Rights?

The rights exist separate from government.

The Bill of rights protects them from government intrusion.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
​

 

[candycorn]

So, abortion is a "Constitutional right." Guns are in the Bill of Rights. So, let's apply things that are hunky dory for you with guns to abortion.

- Let's heavily tax abortions
- Let's make people apply for a permit from government to get one
- Let's let government deny the right to get one to people who are unstable in any way and can't rationally make the choice for themselves.
- Let's allow cities and States who don't want them to just ban them outright.

So what do you say? Can all Constitutional rights be subject to your rules on guns?

Another salvo on the war on women. I guess getting your ass handed to you in elections is fun????

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If rw's really wanted to trade, the men should be willing to give up Viagra and PAY for the children they produce.

Anybody think that's gonna happen?

 

[kaz]

So, abortion is a "Constitutional right." Guns are in the Bill of Rights. So, let's apply things that are hunky dory for you with guns to abortion.

- Let's heavily tax abortions
- Let's make people apply for a permit from government to get one
- Let's let government deny the right to get one to people who are unstable in any way and can't rationally make the choice for themselves.
- Let's allow cities and States who don't want them to just ban them outright.

So what do you say? Can all Constitutional rights be subject to your rules on guns?

Another salvo on the war on women. I guess getting your ass handed to you in elections is fun????

Yet another point you missed. I guess you don't get tired of not grasping discussions.

 

[kaz]

If rw's really wanted to trade, the men should be willing to give up Viagra and PAY for the children they produce.

Anybody think that's gonna happen?

My point was simple, sadly that's too complex for liberals.

 

[daveman]

The difference being abortion laws affect no one but the person having the abortion, Gun laws affect "everyone"

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

The Constitution was written by government. Everything in it in regards to rights was granted by the government.

Our Government in D.C.,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy nanny state come
Thy mandate be done
On flyover country as it is in the coasts.
Give us this month our monthly check,
And audit us our trespasses,
As we file suit against those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into liberty,
But deliver us from ourselves.
For thine is the oligarchy,
And the power, and the glory,
Forever and ever.
Amen.


The Constitution was written by men. The same men who wrote in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.​

People are born with rights. Government's job is to protect them, not grant them.

You understand nothing about the Constitution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

The Constitution was written by government. Everything in it in regards to rights was granted by the government.

Our Government in D.C.,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy nanny state come
Thy mandate be done
On flyover country as it is in the coasts.
Give us this month our monthly check,
And audit us our trespasses,
As we file suit against those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into liberty,
But deliver us from ourselves.
For thine is the oligarchy,
And the power, and the glory,
Forever and ever.
Amen.


The Constitution was written by men. The same men who wrote in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.​

People are born with rights. Government's job is to protect them, not grant them.

You understand nothing about the Constitution.

Yes women were born with the right to have an abortion. The Supreme Court has now affirmed that,

in other words, the government is doing its job to protect the right to an abortion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Irrelevant to the question unless you're arguing some Constitutional rights are more important to others regarding the law. The question is to liberals who believe abortion is a Constitutional right and guns are actually in the Bill of Rights. Yet they are in favor of severely restricting guns, and I'm showing by their non-responsive answers that they aren't OK with that for rights they support.

I am consistent. I am pro-choice, but I consider making up Constitutional rights to be more dangerous than not because what the government can grant, it can take away.

The Constitution was written by government. Everything in it in regards to rights was granted by the government.

Our Government in D.C.,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy nanny state come
Thy mandate be done
On flyover country as it is in the coasts.
Give us this month our monthly check,
And audit us our trespasses,
As we file suit against those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into liberty,
But deliver us from ourselves.
For thine is the oligarchy,
And the power, and the glory,
Forever and ever.
Amen.


The Constitution was written by men. The same men who wrote in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.​

People are born with rights. Government's job is to protect them, not grant them.

You understand nothing about the Constitution.

Did the Creator provide us with a list of our unalienable rights?